With the season about to start, I ask this question; how good is Rodwell? In my 8 months on TW, that Rodwell is, or is about to be, a stud in the EPL is the only thing I can think of that all TWers seem to agree on.
Yet in the discussion for this season, I?ve yet to see any, ?Hey, and don?t forget Rodwell this year. He?ll make a big difference? or ?Boy, the league?s about to find something out with this kid? type statements. If he?s that good (and I?m not questioning he?s talented), why isn?t he talked about more here as an impact player for 2010-2011.
So how good is Rodwell?
James Flynn, Posted 04/08/2010 at 13:27:27
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1 Posted 04/08/2010 at 16:35:22
2 Posted 04/08/2010 at 16:40:00
Don't forget Rodwell this year he'll make a big difference!
3 Posted 04/08/2010 at 16:46:38
4 Posted 04/08/2010 at 16:36:09
He does seem to have all the attributes to potentially be a great player but in my opinion in the past he was bullied quite easily and didn?t get stuck in to try and win tackles he also gave the ball away cheaply or only passed the ball backwards and sideways or he would go missing completely.
People hyped him up to be the next big thing or the ?new Rooney? which was a complete exaggeration. Rooney was the best player for Everton at 16 and the best player for England at 17 and the best player in the European Championships at 18 until he broke his foot. Rodwell is 19 and is still not good enough to break into the Everton first team. Although to be fair the Everton team is much improved since Rooney left but a 16 year old Rooney would still get in this Everton team.
Towards the end of last season Rodwell started to impress me since he has been played in more advanced positions where he has had the chance to use his pace and run at people. His shooting also seems to have improved but I think most importantly it is his confidence which has grown which comes with experience and playing at the right times. I think he will have a big season for Everton but I don?t think it will be anywhere near as big or as exciting as the year Rooney came through at 16
5 Posted 04/08/2010 at 16:35:28
I don't think it's an issue of forgetting him or anything like that. On previous threads you'd see that a lot of Evertonians have been excited about him ever since he was about to debut for the first team; with many references to him being the "future Everton captain" and some have even thrown England in there too. I think it's more of a situation of "what else is going on with the club" rather than focusing on Jack specifically. You have to understand, this is one of the few "settled" summers for us Evertonians in years. Aside from "what is Pienaar or Arteta going to do," this has been a very good preseason for us. We're not scrambling onto rumor sites to see who we've signed or who we've lost and for once we are optimistic. I think the last time we felt this positive was the summer we signed Andy Johnson who Moyes chased for two years - you felt a good season coming that year. I think we feel that way today and Jack is a part of that collective optimism. I actually can't wait to see us throw on the pink and give Fat Sam and Blackburn a good smackdown!
As for "how good is he?" Others have had access to watching prospects a lot longer than I have, but for my time he is easily the best prospect since Rooney, however he is coming into the side with more maturity and composure to both his game and his attitude. I believe that if we can keep Jack and Felli together, we can have one of the most feared midfields in all of the PL. I don't think it's a stretch to say that he will be leading the next wave of England national teamers after the Lampard, Gerrard crew. I hope I'm not getting too carried away - Everton fans have seen a lot of false dawns, but he looks the real deal.
6 Posted 04/08/2010 at 17:41:03
He's improving and should be a huge part of Everton and England's future, if he keeps improving for the next 4 or 5 years.
He'll not be one of the first name's on Moyes' teamsheet week-in week-out because of his age, but he could be something very special in a couple of years.
As far as I can see, he, Joe Hart and Jack Wilshere are the only particularly bright spots on England's horizon at the moment.
7 Posted 04/08/2010 at 17:47:48
Really excited about his potential this year. I fancy he'll get 8 or 9 goals too.
8 Posted 04/08/2010 at 18:37:28
9 Posted 04/08/2010 at 19:00:46
10 Posted 04/08/2010 at 19:04:35
11 Posted 04/08/2010 at 19:24:05
12 Posted 04/08/2010 at 19:35:25
What should happen this year is that he slowly starts to take over from Cahill in playing behind our one striker - What will most likely happen is that he will start 10-15 games and come in most of the others.
13 Posted 04/08/2010 at 19:48:10
14 Posted 04/08/2010 at 20:07:44
15 Posted 04/08/2010 at 20:37:32
16 Posted 04/08/2010 at 20:48:20
Jack has it all build skill brain etc etc and i know it's early days but he now needs to add belief to his locker , his goal against Manure should have helped but i mean like Rooney when he did Zidane on the touchline, or Maro against Bellamy. More importantly we as a team need to match Jack. When Rooney left it was because we couldn't match his ambition, dont blame the lad but we are a much better team now and need to show Jack that so come next seasons transfer window he can turn around to the sour faced scot [Fergie] and say "sorry mate , i'm sticking with this sour faced scot [ Moyes ] because i believe i will win more with these than with you".
17 Posted 04/08/2010 at 21:01:40
In general, though, as an all-round midfielder, he could be become great. What imresses me most is how he seems to improve and add more to his game each time he steps onto the pitch. He can do it all.
18 Posted 04/08/2010 at 21:07:02
Can he go on to become that good? Time will tell. But should he reach those heights (and they are heights lads) then he should continue the steady improvement he has shown thus far. Nay, quadruple it!
Truth is, the jury is out. But there's no doubt that the boy can play a bit and looks a bit special. I think Rodwell began playing more and more in the Gerrard role toward the end of last season and began popping up in the opposition box with far more regularity than he did when he just emerged and immediately thereafter.
And it is precisely in that role that he has begun looking more and more dangerous. The chip he scored in pre-season (forget the opposition, think it was the last Australian opposition) was pure genius, the kind of thing a certain Mr. Rooney would attempt (and have the technique to pull off). I'm not comparing the two (as has been stated elsewhere they are completely different players) but what I am saying is that this newfound ability to find the goal augurs well for the future.
If there's one thing that stands out for me about Rodwell it's his composure. That he's only 19 makes that all the more impressive, for it is rare, especially in the hurly-burly cauldron that is the Premiership.
I do hope he turns out like ze Kaizer or Bobby, but he's a long way to go yet! Next season he'll be a Gerrard though :p
19 Posted 04/08/2010 at 21:55:28
20 Posted 05/08/2010 at 00:43:01
Many comparison's on this thread have said he's the next Gerrard, and I fully agree. He looks the buisiness going forward, and it's something he obviously loves doing. Put Rodwell as the marauding midfielder, Cahill as the guy in the hole, and Saha/Beckford/Yak as the finisher, and we're a team to be feared. In fact, seeing Beckford, he's no slouch around the six-yard box ? dare I say he's the next Lineker?
But my entire point is that I hope Everton will be more than the some of their parts ? which is when we have won trophies!
All the best boys!
21 Posted 05/08/2010 at 01:13:16
22 Posted 05/08/2010 at 01:29:10
I fully expect him to be this season's 'rabbit.' :)
23 Posted 05/08/2010 at 01:45:35
24 Posted 05/08/2010 at 02:09:53
I'm always excited when he plays, mainly because of all the hype (on websites like this, that is), and I'm dying for him to play well, but so far I've almost always ended up a bit disappointed.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's an exciting prospect. He seems to have all the attributes of a great player (pace, power, physique etc etc), and also he seems to have a somewhat unique ability to dribble with either foot equally comfortably. But as someone said, Rooney was coming on and dominating games at 16/17. Can anyone point to a game that Rodwell has dominated? I can't think of any myself. Fabregas would perhaps be a more relevant example of a young player who was eye-catching not for his attributes but for his performances.
I suppose my point is just that while it's great we've got a talented youngster to get excited about, I don't think he's actually that good yet. And I certainly don't think he should start if everyone's fit.
25 Posted 05/08/2010 at 02:57:52
Then let me ask, project his impact on our good fortunes this season?
Of course he'll be a better player in 2014. But his impact this season. How much of a jump up do you see him making this year?
26 Posted 05/08/2010 at 06:55:56
Young player of the year 2010/11
27 Posted 05/08/2010 at 08:36:56
He will be a regular in the England team in two years.
The main problem for Rodwell is, is he good enough to get in the Everton first-team? Fellaini is the best defensive midfielder, Arteta the best playmaker, and currently Cahill is the best attacking midfielder. Hopefully Arteta will stay and therefore I can only see Rodwell challenging Cahill for his position by the end of the season.
I think Rodwell is too good to keep on the bench, he will force his way into the team somewhere, as he can play a few positions he is so good, and this season he will come of age to be a top Premier League star.
28 Posted 05/08/2010 at 09:31:54
I think the best we can hope for this year is that he becomes part of a centre midfield squad of different-but-equals along with Cahill, Arteta and Fellaini (with Osman and others in reserve) which would be a hell of an achievement for him and a very daunting prospect for any opposition team.
29 Posted 05/08/2010 at 09:58:09
and continuing to improve under David Moyes will be part of the natural progression, to a regular member of the first team.
My only worry is when he goes south
to join up with the Capello circus, and who gets in first to try and turn the lads head.
But that is all about growing up, and lets hope Jack makes the England side, as an Everton player?
and stays that way.
30 Posted 05/08/2010 at 20:48:50
Just a thought though. Evidently you know best.
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