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I had to laugh/cringe at Bill's comments on the OS regarding "closure" to the Gosling incident.

He said: "It was a nine month joke of an episode between Gosling's agent and this football club. If you can't rely on people's word and a handshake in this world then we live in a world I don't want to be in."

He added: "The agent said he would never have signed the contract (anyway) but the compensation would have been nothing like the figures quoted in the papers. It was a sad and sorry situation. This Club has been here for well over 100 years and it has never happened before and it will never happen again.

"Why did David Moyes and I go to a hideous tribunal and hear hideous stuff we did not want to hear about how someone did not want to play for this football club? I apologise to anybody who thinks somebody at Everton let them down but I don't think they did."

I think a slight admission that someone at EFC cocked up "just a little bit" might put an end to this stupid saga but all this does is make us look idiots. I don't know of any business where a simple word and handshake says DEAL DONE.

Its clear to me that whenever Gosling returns he will get torn apart. I agree he and his agent have been poor in this situation but its not ALL down to him.

Honestly Bill get real, everyone involved in this mess has to take some responsibility, at least have the good grace to say "EFC got somethings wrong"

His "Seeking closure" interview just stokes the fire further.
John Audsley, Leeds     Posted 05/08/2010 at 07:26:27

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Michael Kenrick
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1   Posted 05/08/2010 at 15:37:25

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Lyndon did not want to re-open the Gosling debate, and he's probably right: we've discussed it to death.

However, I think it would be remiss of us not to have something acknowledging that the so-called "closure" provided by Bill Kenwright at the Shareholders Forum was nothing of the sort. 

David Withey
2   Posted 05/08/2010 at 15:45:25

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I have never subscribed to the Bill-bashing tendencies of many on this site. Nor for that matter do I have any desire to re-open the Gosling saga which has been done to death many times over. But Bill really doesn't help his cause with ludicrous statements like last night.

"If you can't rely on people's word and a handshake in this world then we live in a world I don't want to be in."

Really Bill? Well unfortunately we do live in that world. What was the bigger shock? That a young, distinctly average footballer would seek to sign as big a contract as possible? Or that a football agent would have no difficulty screwing over a club to ensure his 10% was as big as possible?

You may not want to live in this world Bill, but while you are chairman of a Premier League football club you have little choice. What happened with Gosling could easily, by the club's account, have happened with Rooney and/or Rodwell. So in future I, and thousands of others, would appreciate it if you could suspend your utopian dreams of a world when everyone can "just get along" to ensure that Everton do not lose out on a talent far bigger than the mediocre one we have lost so far (or the £30m we get from selling them).

Aidy Dews
3   Posted 05/08/2010 at 15:57:48

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I back Kenwright on this tbh, if people cant honour a gentleman's agreement and shake on it these days before actually signing then its a shit state of affairs!.

If you shake on something and agree to sign then you should stick to your word, i know i would of but Gosling obvioulsy got his head turned by his agent or who ever and wanted to leave, not stay cos if he did want to stay he would of done the honourable thing and stuck to his gentlemans agreement and signed a new contract.

At the end of the day people will have mixed views and ill probs get slated but i was brought up to honour and respect things like that, shaking on things meant a done deal, you wasnt to let people down and go back on your word once you'd shook on it, its disloyal and ill stick up for someone with the same views.
Larry Boner
4   Posted 05/08/2010 at 16:09:24

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What made my blood run cold were his remarks regarding players leaving the club before the start of the season, specifically Peinaar and Arteta.
Its looks to me reading between the lines he is using the same tactics employed to agree a deal with Gosling to try and get the two players to stay.
These are professional players, they play for money, "the pull of the blue" means nothing to them, whether we like to think otherwise or not.
i hope i am wrong, but it looks to me that these two players are on their way out, Mr Kenwright just smoothing the path for the backlash that will follow.
Pienaar may stay, but run his contract down.
Gerard Hoey
5   Posted 05/08/2010 at 17:34:13

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Getting rid of Gosling in the fashion it was done was a masterstroke, he had been offered a new salary prior to his injury, agreed in a handshake, club rethink the offer and don't put it in writing. Gosling walks. Saves the club his higher salary for the time he is injured and cannot play. Plus he is not going to get into the team anyway.
Ste Traverse
6   Posted 05/08/2010 at 19:11:25

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Kenwright puts his foot in it time and time again with his disasterous soundbites. Will he ever learn.

"We live in a world that I don't want to live in", bloody hell,the man lives in a fantasy world anyway.
Andy Crooks
7   Posted 05/08/2010 at 19:58:53

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Bill' most recent comment is a wonderful,example of the world of loviness that he inhabits. No wonder he is universally well liked. The fact that he is chairman of a premier league football club is well, well, beyond belief. You really couldn't make it up.
Brian Waring
8   Posted 05/08/2010 at 20:22:14

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This from a man who stabbed his mate Gregg in the back.
Dave Smith
9   Posted 05/08/2010 at 20:28:21

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Why do people insist on looking to blame the club for something that was inevitable. I'm more concerned with whether Newcastle where tapping Gosling while he was still an Everton player. He signed for them very quickly, and they appeared too confident about the outcome of the tribunal (they where never going to pay £4m for an injured player). Something there doesn't add up.
Eugene Ruane
10   Posted 05/08/2010 at 21:42:09

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Dave Smith, you say..

"Why do people insist on looking to blame the club for something that was inevitable?"

Inevitable?

How was what happened with Gosling it inevitable?

The club thinks a verbal promise is enough to secure the services of the player.

It isn't.

The player's agent says "verbal schmerbal, they're fucking you about son and even if they're not, I can get you more at Newcastle".

Off to 'the toon' they go.

Where's the inevitable?

In fact a more (word invention warning!) uninevitable scenario I can't think of.

They used to say life's only certainties were death and taxes.

You can add to that Mr L Darling talking bollocks.

By the way, HORRIBLE thought.

Older TWers will know that Kenwright played Gordon Glegg in Corrie (mistakenly thought Maggie Clegg was a his mam, turned out he WAS a bastard - Betty Turpin's).

Anyway he packed up the acting (well....) but always said if Corrie needed him he would make an exception and has on a few occasions.

Now I don't wish any ill-will towards actress Betty Driver but she is 91.

I just get an awful feeling should anything untoward happen to her, our Chairman, in the guise of Gordon Glegg, will head down from 'Wimbledon' (where he's an accountant) and deliver the eulogy.

To spare us toe-curling of epic proportions, let's hope Betty's knocking out hot-pots for a few years yet!

Jeff Armstrong
11   Posted 05/08/2010 at 22:45:22

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Eugene,
ever thought of "going the match".
Brendan McLaughlin
12   Posted 05/08/2010 at 23:39:30

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Any chance that the Everton "spirit" we love to post about relies in some part on handshakes between management and players, honouring what they say they will do???
Christine Foster
13   Posted 06/08/2010 at 00:31:26

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Michael is right, the Gosling saga is best left alone, depending on your perspective, the end result may or may not have been best for the club. But the fact is that it wasn't the intention. We are were we are.

But this talk about handshake deals, honouring someones word, please, this is the guy and the club that gags shareholders, threatens fans with legal action and I wonder what Paul Clegg made of made of the remark? Did he feel he was treated honourably? Do we?
Sorry Bill, whilst you may think a handshake is all it takes, the rest of the world is not as quaint as Everton Football Club, its a mercenary world and you have to protect to survive.
Eugene Ruane
14   Posted 06/08/2010 at 12:03:59

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Jeff Armstrong.

Oh dear me Jeff.

Dear, dear ME!

That was TRULY desperate, in fact as desperate a response as I've EVER seen on TW.

"Ever thought of going to the match?"

Did you think I'd be cut to the quick Jeff?

Did you think (Homer Simpson's voice) "That'll learn 'im!"

Did you think I'd respond angrily with my match attendance over the years?

Oh Jeff!

Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff JEFF!

Still I can't stay cross with you for long you little monkey.

So here's some advice.

Here's something you (obviously) don't know.

Something worth remembering and something that will serve you well when responding in the future (nb: and I tell you this without a hint of anger or malice)

One can go to the match AND have opinions about other things.

Good luck with the eleven plus!

(tousles Jeff's hair, slips him a nicker for sweets)
Dave Smith
15   Posted 06/08/2010 at 19:08:43

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Eugene:

"The agent said he would never have signed the contract (anyway)"

Sounds pretty inevitable to me. Gosling clearly no longer wished to play for us. A written contract wouldn't have changed that.

You can't blame the club for his departure, because he was going anyway. His agent invented a way for it to happen for free. I bet he got an extra percentage off Newcastle for that.

Tell me, if someone is mugged; do you blame the victim for carrying cash on them in the first place?
Dave Roberts
16   Posted 06/08/2010 at 20:41:02

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Who gives a shit? Gosling was at best a very mediocre player. No pace, couldn't hold the ball, couldn't pass and his injury was as a direct result of lingering on the ball when a better player would have been turning away by then to celebrate a goal.

Those who talk about a 'loss' of £4m in not being able to sell him are deluding themselves. A fully fit Gosling was possibly worth half that at a push, a crocked one was worth nothing.

The Club wanted shut, couldn't sell him, couldn't sack him, didn't want to pay him more money so presto! Everything else is just filibuster.

As for not signing the contract anyway (so there...... nah nah na nah na!!!!) the last time I heard a comment like that was in the playground....as well as..... 'I didn't want to play anyway....'

Bollocks.
Stewart Littler
17   Posted 07/08/2010 at 21:35:40

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I think the club's played a blinder. Instead of getting publicly castigated for wanting rid of a 20 year old who's just suffered one of the worst footballing injuries there is, they manage to flip it round. I have no doubt at all that a written offer would have been sat on Dan's doormat in plenty of time if he hadn't suffered his untimely injury, but he did, and we're not in a place where we can risk upwards of half a million on wages for a player who may never get near the first team again.

£4m - who makes these figures up. If Dan had signed a new contract, the only club interested in a sale would have been Plymouth. A million at most, and we saved that in wages. Newcastle are welcome to him.

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