Here is my take on the Gosling affair: for a moment, put yourself in the man's boots.
He is a talented player just coming into the years when he may stake a claim for a position in the Everton team, possibly not yet as Everton has such players on their books as Arteta, Pienaar and Fellaini... but he should at 20 start breaking through and get some first team action ? after all, he has scored two impeccable goals, one in particular that will be remembered by Evertonians for a long time.
However, the competition for places at Everton is fierce, the midfield is crowded with such names as Neville, Arteta, Pienaar, Fellaini, Cahill, Rodwell, Bilyaletdinov and Osman... to add to this, Jagielka and Hietinga are possible and reliable stand-ins. Right back is covered by Neville, Hibbert and Coleman. Accordingly, your agent enlightens you to your future prospects and suggests that you think of moving to advance your career; what do you do?
Well, if it was me, I would listen to the agent and work out that I had as much chance in this team as Abu Hamza has of winning a wanking competition.
A club like Newcastle, back in the EPL, are looking for new talent, they pay well and have a small squad of average players. This situation may give you an open opportunity to advance your career.
I feel, after reading such derogatory comments on TW about Gosling, it would be worth thinking about the man's situation. Evertonians should take this as a compliment that we have lost a player because he simply cannot get into a quality squad rather than refer to him as a money grubber without loyalty.
Peter Pryor, Posted 08/08/2010 at 07:32:11
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1 Posted 08/08/2010 at 20:54:53
In lieu of an article I was penning in response to Bill Kenwright's comments regarding the matter at the Shareholders Forum (which would have been fine if they'd just stayed there and the issue not been dredged up again with a report on the Official Site two weeks after the matter had seemingly been put to bed) I will say that I think there's culpability on both sides.
If Gosling wanted to leave, there were clearly better ways of going about it than apparently worming his way through a contractual loophole and I have no doubt that his agent was the backseat driver.
For the Club's part, as much as I admire Kenwright's faith in a good old-fashioned handshake and a verbal agreement, the footballing world has clearly changed for the worse on that score and it was naive in the extreme to expect anyone to honour their word rather than have a binding contract on the table.
In the long run, the annoying thing is the £1m or so we probably lost from a tribunal, money we can ill-afford to pass up. As great as his knack for popping up in the area to score vital goals is, I don't for a second think he is good to enough to have broken into the Everton first team and may have ended up playing bit parts as a substitute this season.
2 Posted 08/08/2010 at 21:01:42
He was not man enough to let Everton know his concerns while he sat on his arse, getting the best medical attention, taking his wages, and all the time plotting to get a free.
BTW he also screwed his previous club Plymouth out of some of the "fee" so that he could get his £25k a week.
Your point holds no merit with me whatsoever Peter.
3 Posted 08/08/2010 at 21:03:38
4 Posted 08/08/2010 at 21:09:35
5 Posted 08/08/2010 at 21:12:50
6 Posted 08/08/2010 at 21:16:10
7 Posted 08/08/2010 at 21:28:43
8 Posted 08/08/2010 at 22:07:47
9 Posted 08/08/2010 at 22:07:28
10 Posted 08/08/2010 at 22:20:59
11 Posted 08/08/2010 at 22:21:57
To get a bit more action he goes behind her back and starts shagging her sister - who he hardly knows, is nowhere as nice but he's heard might put out a bit more.
There's no law against it but the enduring opinion of the beautiful girl when she finds out will always be "Cheers mate. To be honest, good riddance."
12 Posted 08/08/2010 at 22:38:54
13 Posted 08/08/2010 at 22:39:48
"Mauureeen..... Mauureeeen... take me back Maureen.... PLEEAASE!!!! MAUREEEEEN......!!!!!"
14 Posted 08/08/2010 at 22:37:19
Shite footballer as well.
15 Posted 08/08/2010 at 22:00:01
I know we can all be blind at times regarding Everton but some of the stuff that was (and still is) aimed at Gosling on here was blinkered in the extreme.
And you know why people were ACTUALLY so outraged?
He fucked Everton off, that fucked Evertonians off- simple as that.
I don't expect one single (or married) person to admit that of course - instead he was attacked because he was 'sneaky, greedy, broke his word, lack of morals, his agent' etc.
All of which might be true, but it's as one-eyed as fuck.
"Sneaky money-grabber without loyalty?"
Do people think players that sign do so out of 'loyalty'?
I mean what the fuck do people think happened regarding Arteta's negotiations?
He was so overcome with Everton he couldn't refuse?
I'm not 100% sure, but I bet there was an agent involved.
I bet there was a big jump in money involved.
I bet if they hadn't got what they wanted, they would have been off.
And did anyone from Barcelona ACTUALLY say they were after him?
Did Arsenal ACTUALLY put in a bid?
No, it was all newspaper bollocks (wonder where that came from)
Yes I'm made-up Arteta signed a five year deal, but remember, he still had TWO years left on his present contract
Why the rush - coz he loves us?
If so why not see out the two years, then just sign again?
Did HE stick to his contract?
Were Everton under pressure from his agent? (ie: more NOW or we're off?")
I have no idea, but the black and white, saints and sinners thing is so fucking naive
Personally, I believe we all need to grow up and wise up where the Premier League is concerned.
Contracts (written or otherwise) aren't worth a wank if/when a player and/or his agent wants to move, or wants more money - NONE of them (and all players and all agents know it).
To have singled out Gosling in the way he was singled out was, quite honestly, absurd.
Incredibly, despite all evidence to the contrary, there are still supporters who believe stuff like "I genuinely think he likes it here" or "I really think he's got a feel for Everton" (or whoever)
Modern players are not fans and 99% of them are concerned only with THEIR careers and THEIR ackers.
Clubs, countries, shirts, supporters, ALL can and will be changed in a heartbeat.....for the right price.
16 Posted 08/08/2010 at 23:20:20
There are right and wrong ways of doing things and Dan Gosling and his agent did the wrong thing to meet their own ends. Fine. I'm sure a few extra million in the bank can make looking in the mirror a little easier but if Dan Gosling was one of your mates you know what sort of bloke he'd be:
"First out of the taxi - last in the pub."
17 Posted 08/08/2010 at 23:29:12
Last word. "Wor Gander's been cooked, like."
18 Posted 08/08/2010 at 23:49:46
The 'logic' at the moment for many (apparently yourself) appears to be "if they sign, they are loyal non-cheats with scruples up the wah-hoo".
Sorry but that is nonsense!
You can sense right now that the verdict on Pienaar, for many, relies simply on whether he stays or not.
In other words he'll be loyal if he stays and a shifty little twat if he goes.
I am saying NOW that I consider his behaviour (and his agents) just as calculating and 'sneaky' as Goslings whether he stays or goes.
19 Posted 09/08/2010 at 00:59:59
The club has for many years "done a number" on some players who left. Many of our lot are all too happy to swallow the party line.
They had plenty of opportunity to put out a statement, and in the "digital age" (whatever that is) with 24/7 news channels and Internet, they really should be a bit more responsive to the point of being pre-emptive.
20 Posted 09/08/2010 at 03:11:57
I have no issues with people looking for new jobs and opportunities. It's the lack of class that's disappointing. He should've said he wanted to move on.
Dan, I don't know how long that signing on fee will last ya but your character is tarnished.
21 Posted 09/08/2010 at 03:31:18
22 Posted 09/08/2010 at 04:39:07
The fact that the club did not provide that extension or a new contract is surely the reason whey we are here, and why the scenario Peter describes was played out ? in all likelihood, once the message sank in that Everton didn't really want him. That''s the message he received back in May when they failed to give him a written contract by the required date.
And that clearly set in course a series of events which, yes, his agent made the most of. But don't lose sight of the fact that, if Everton had given him the written contract in sufficient time (like they have with Arteta and plenty of others) then none of this would have happened. I cannot see how that makes him a "money grabber without loyalty" ? especially when it was "loyalty" from the club's side, in the form of a new contract, that was evidently lacking. Surely it was this that effectively forced him (and his agent) to consider his position and the options they had.
What I still find remarkable is that he was able to sign for Newcastle and presumably complete a medical, while still on the injured list for the next six months with a serious knee injury.
23 Posted 09/08/2010 at 05:51:54
Now the person who told me this is from plymouth, and has many photographs with Gosling. Does that prove he knows him? No, but I believe that version makes sense and I for one am okay with the situation. Moyes has his priorities of keeping the better players first, and Gosling just wants to play. We secured all our players bar pienaar, and Gosling gets to go play. He seems a decent enough lad, and I wish him the best.
24 Posted 09/08/2010 at 06:24:06
Yes, we have been (to put it diplomatically) incompetent with stuff in the past, but I just do not think that we would screw up on something like this with a player that we really want to keep.
Also, are we still paying Gosling's medical bills?
Having said that Newcastle would sign Abu Hamza
25 Posted 09/08/2010 at 07:27:22
I don't blame him, I do the same every year when my contract comes up for renewal, look at other options in case they don't want to keep me.
26 Posted 09/08/2010 at 07:43:50
Abu Mamza is set to sign for QPR accordning to the BBC
27 Posted 09/08/2010 at 08:04:59
28 Posted 09/08/2010 at 08:57:44
If he had any loyality, considering the fact taht everton made him and paid his medical bill, then he would have requested a transfer and got everton a fee.
PS - Peter are you dan or his agent by any chance?! :-)
29 Posted 09/08/2010 at 09:13:46
30 Posted 09/08/2010 at 09:08:33
Arteta is class, he conducts himself in the right way and will be the one of the greatest players to have played for us and you start comparing him to Dan fuckin Gosling.
31 Posted 09/08/2010 at 10:00:16
32 Posted 09/08/2010 at 09:58:25
Then again, I'm not sure of the rules of this competition, so may be the original poster can elaborate.
As for Gosling, if he wanted to play central midfield, he could have done, but he'd would have had to work damn hard to cement his place. If he's agent has suggested that he would never get a game in his preferred position, then it may be a good time to get a more motivational agent.
33 Posted 09/08/2010 at 11:22:31
I'm imagining (following the 'logic' of your argument above) it would be along the lines of..
"They do exist but nobody has seen them because they would come out when nobody can see them and they could probably become invisible and could easily turn into a flower if we look at them"
Well it is EXACTLY the argument you put forward to explain why you think Arteta is a cross between Mother Theresa and Bob Geldof and why Gosling is Satan.
"Eugene, the reason Arteta is loyal is because other clubs WOULD have paid him the same amount of money"
What...you KNOW this (clue: No you don't, pure fucking guesswork)
And this total guesswork and wishful thinking continues.
"The money from Everton will have helped make his mind up but his loyalty comes from the fact that Man City and Arsenal would probably pay him more"
The fantasy continues.
If it was all about money, he COULD easily have seen out his last 2 years and gone and got himself a massive pay rise somewhere else"
What...aged 30 with two years more of Premier league defenders kicking the fuck out of his knees?
Bollocks (and so is what they teach at the 'woulda, shoulda, coulda' school of debate).
You finish with..
"Arteta is class, he conducts himself in the right way and will be the one of the greatest players to have played for us and you start comparing him to Dan fuckin Gosling"
Alan you obviously prefer to read what is in your head than what people actually write.
As I said earlier, one-eyed and blinkered.
34 Posted 09/08/2010 at 12:25:20
35 Posted 09/08/2010 at 12:37:31
You're the one in fairytale land thinking no other club wanted Arteta. Arteta himself stated there were 2 offers from other clubs that Everton turned down. I know it's from Bullshit Bill but he's come out today saying he turned down a bid from City. If City wanted Arteta, he would easily be on more than what Everton could offer. And we saw with Lescott that if a player wants to move he can force the issue. Therefore Arteta's motivation to stay was not all about money. I'm not reading what's in my head, I'm reading direct quotes from the people involved, which is more than you've got to base your argument on. You're the total cynic who seems to know exactly what's going on inside Arteta's head.
You're reasoning doesn't add up, Eugene, thinking that a much sort after player throughout Europe who has just signed for a club that's just dropped out of European competition and hasn't won anything is disloyal!
36 Posted 09/08/2010 at 13:33:09
Both parties are to blame and it could have been handled so much better.
Alex (23) I have a friend from Scotland, so he must know Moyes and he said that what Gosling said about Moyes is a "load of bollox", also when did Moyes become the legal representative of the club and able to negotiate contracts?
37 Posted 09/08/2010 at 13:41:22
"I love Arteta coz he's boss and he signed for us and Gosling's a twat coz he didn't and he wasn't that fuckin' good anyway".
But I believe that is the truth for many, yourself included.
(nb: in fact particularly in your case, as your attempts at 'justification' amounted to staggeringly lame 'would have', 'could probably have' guesswork and nonsense)
Oh and here's a tip - if you are going to begin a post with "Eugene, at least what I wrote is in English"
don't finish with a paragraph that contains "You're reasoning doesn't add up" and "much sort after"
(you only make YOU'RESELF look SOUGHT OF a twat)
38 Posted 09/08/2010 at 15:14:52
39 Posted 09/08/2010 at 20:54:59
40 Posted 09/08/2010 at 23:08:44
You should know that that's not true, Brian.
The delay was over assurances regarding the future of the club, his position vis-a-vis any takeover, etc.
And he's on £3m p.a. I believe, not £3.75m.
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