Listening to TalkSPORT on the way into work this morning and the question was posed to Alan Brazil ? Who is the bigger club, Everton or Villa?
After much squirming and trying not to answer the question, he said that David Moyes would have a better chance at success at Villa due to the resources he would have available.
I can't deny that Villa have more money than us, but player for player and with a fit squad, we have by far and away better resources. I would hand on heart say that only the diver Young and Milner would challenge to get into our starting XI.
Martin O'Neill has wasted countless millions filling the Villa team with mistakes. Heskey, Petrov, Reo-Cocker, Sidwell and Cuellar are approximately £30 millions worth of evidence.
So, this lead me to think that, if only two of their players would get into our team, how much would a new manager have to spend to bring that squad in line with likes of us and Spurs?
This is why David Moyes would never leave Everton for Villa. It would be a 3-year regression for his career.
The fact that they finished above us last season can be argued, but looking at the form displayed by both clubs from November onwards adds credence to my argument.
I like Alan Brazil; I think he talks a lot of sense... but perhaps he wants to rethink this one?
Cant wait for Saturday ? Come On, Blue Boys!!!!!
Matt Barry, Posted 11/08/2010 at 18:41:11
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1 Posted 11/08/2010 at 21:17:32
So I can't really see how he would be in a better position to win things at Villa.
2 Posted 11/08/2010 at 21:44:18
An argument about who's bigger means sod all. Performances, points & prizes are all that matters. I confidently expect Everton to prove that to Villa (and others) this season.
3 Posted 11/08/2010 at 22:53:11
4 Posted 11/08/2010 at 22:42:31
Turnover reported for us in 2009 was £76m and £75.6m for them.
Historically both founder members of football league, share most played fixture, both got a European trophy, similar domestic trophies, two famous classic grounds, similar fanbase.
Brazil is wrong - if Moyes was to go to Villa he would essentially be going back to square one to be asked to do the job he's done for Everton for Villa with probably the same resources.
5 Posted 11/08/2010 at 22:55:23
someone needs their bumps feeling.
6 Posted 11/08/2010 at 23:04:34
7 Posted 11/08/2010 at 23:13:39
With Everton, the feeling is we have not peaked, we have the team to go to the next level and more importantly it is with minor changes i.e the sale of Yakubu to fund Donovan is all that is required with nothing for a couple of years at least.To be fair to Villa they are a club like us and i'd be happy with them alongside us in a top 4 rather than the get rich quick mob. It's a proper club but O'Neill got too big headed and thought he could run a club to success and bankrupcy like Redknapp did at Portsmouth.
8 Posted 12/08/2010 at 02:29:10
Now that MON has gone, the new manager will be working under financial constraints. So there really is no difference between them and us in terms of 'pulling power'.
2 things though have bugged me about them in recent years.
1) their supporters' personal abuse of Lescott, and
2) Ashley Young's diving.
They are the biggest club in the Midlands.
But aren't we the 'PRIDE OF MERSEYSIDE?'
9 Posted 12/08/2010 at 07:45:06
10 Posted 12/08/2010 at 02:31:24
Not surprised an outsider might consider them a bigger club. I still don?t like the buggers though ? and am delighted they're having a bad time of it lately!
11 Posted 12/08/2010 at 08:49:11
12 Posted 12/08/2010 at 08:20:05
There is therefore, in my opinion, not a cigarette paper currently between the two teams... and, as Moyes would have more money avaliable at Villa, then Alan Brazil is probably spot on.
However, luckily for us, Moyes says he's stayin'... although, having said that, in the interview yesterday he simply said he was here for this season ? he didn't mention his contract or that he'd be here for a long time ? simply, the season. (Possibly reading into his literal words too much...)
13 Posted 12/08/2010 at 09:13:19
14 Posted 12/08/2010 at 09:13:57
Adam - Villa do have a larger stadium but only by 2,500 (40k v 42.5k) so I'd put them pretty much side by side.
Ciarán - I'm with you on the cigarette paper analogy, I think it's that close. I dont think Moyes would have more money there now though, this is illustrated by whats happened at Villa Park this week. Again I think we're in exactly the same boat.
As for Moyes "I'm here for this season" answer I picked up on that too thinking "Oh yeah...?"
I think Moyes could be seeing this year as the big one, the one after which he can put his cards on the table and say "there you go, come and get me to Man Utd."
15 Posted 12/08/2010 at 09:55:40
Everyone knows how loyal Moyes is and the fact he's spent all summer getting his top players to sign new contracts, so why would he leave? Sparking some controversy about who's bigger or saying Moyes would do better at Villa gets peoples' attention so they listen to their shite radio show where people like Ray Houghton or Stan Collymore get an opinion.
I wouldn't spend too much time worrying whether we're bigger than Villa or not. For the past 2 decades we've been very even.
16 Posted 12/08/2010 at 10:15:30
17 Posted 12/08/2010 at 10:29:56
Well I suppose I'm guessing to an extent..we all are guessing regarding O'Neill's reasons at the moment...
But I think whoever comes in will be given some money....Moyes has none.
18 Posted 12/08/2010 at 10:32:23
As for who's the bigger club, that's a debate I'll stay out of, partly due to how pointless it is.
19 Posted 12/08/2010 at 10:22:27
The fact that Villa finished above us last year shouldn't come into the equation, it happened because O'Neil was able buy players he should never have been able to in order to beat us.
I agree with the one dimensional comments, O'Neil's tactics are predictable, and they run in this order in games....
1st plan - Hope my talented wide men do something to get a goal so I don't need to think
2nd plan - Hope Petrov or wide men can 'engineer' (i.e. dive!) a sert pieces for our defenders
3rd plan - Punt up the park then hope Agbonlahor can use his pace or Carew his height and strength to beat their defender and score a goal
....the 2nd Plan is how it seemed Larsson scored a majority of his goals in one of Celtic's league winning seasons (it's an insult to Larsson's abilities but it's true) and is why Martin Laursen scored 10 goals in 2 seasons
and the fact that punt up the park is his 3rd tactic is why Agbonlahor to have barren scoring spells; they're the times when the wide men are on form so he has to resort to using plan 2 and then 3
20 Posted 12/08/2010 at 10:57:34
But I wouldn't agree Villa has more money than us now. It seems Villa need to sell to get money. Everton have just chosen not to, where we have a lot of players who are sellable. Basically Villa have chosen to sell Milner when we haven't decided to sell Arteta. That sums it up to me.
21 Posted 12/08/2010 at 11:15:28
22 Posted 12/08/2010 at 11:47:38
23 Posted 12/08/2010 at 11:59:14
To say only a couple of players of thiers would get in our side is nonsense. Like us they have some very, very good footballers especially on the wings and up front, where I think we are lacking a bit.
24 Posted 12/08/2010 at 13:16:20
Suddenly we're Arsenal, and can look down our noses at other clubs...
25 Posted 12/08/2010 at 13:20:17
26 Posted 12/08/2010 at 14:04:27
27 Posted 12/08/2010 at 15:26:59
28 Posted 12/08/2010 at 16:03:53
I think that you are maybe reading too much into DM's "this season" comment........................(hopefully).
I think Jags made a similar "this season" comment today. It's just par for the course.
29 Posted 12/08/2010 at 16:14:34
I don't think we're criticizing Route One football (that would be like writing in the comments below an article about a murderer "murdering is not a very nice thing to do") because - let face it - the number of threads when we've ripped on our team due to long-ball stuff on here is ridiculous (I had to snigger, I just looked up "long ball" on this site search and the first pages first and last results were about Unsworth and Hibbert, now that's 2 other well covered topics on here too! :) ).
All the criticizing I can see in this current article is about O'Neil and the fact that he uses the same basic tactics all the time. Yes we've used long ball but then Moyes has also shown that he has plenty more tactical nonce in his locker than O'Neil that's for sure (it was Moyes's tactics that everyone nicked for how to compete with Chelsea)
30 Posted 12/08/2010 at 16:09:54
31 Posted 13/08/2010 at 09:48:33
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