Neville and Osman starting. Listless performance. Players still on the summer break.
Season opener and a crap result and performance. And... a loss.
Sickening stuff really. Those are exactly the types of game we must win if we are to break the Top 4. Tough road trip or not, I expect much, much more of this season's squad. Just a complete let-down.
Suppose I shouldn't be suprised. Opening day, isn't it?
Same shit, different season.
Jamie Crowley, Posted 14/08/2010 at 16:55:07
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1 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:10:40
2 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:10:43
Oh and could I say hi to the three or four guys who hammered me when I said we wouldn't be winning trophies with Howard in the team?
3 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:14:20
4 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:11:37
A decent, away point if the liability hadn't done for us again. Maybe more, as we wouldn't have felt as pressurised without his calamitous "catch."
5 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:17:04
6 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:15:17
Yes, we won't go down... but we will always be finishing mid-table to 8th, unless he changes his spots and our twat of a Cchairman gets lucky after 10 years of searching 24/7.
WATCH THIS SPACE!
7 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:17:00
Despite the loss, I don't think we played awfully. We had some good moves and just couldn't put an end to them. Howard's blunder allowed Blackburn to play the classic Allardyce game.
I won't be giving up on top 4 just yet though!
8 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:26:02
No surprise whatsoever at today's result. We've seen it hundreds of times under Moyes. One up front again at home to Wolves next week? You bet...
9 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:28:01
10 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:27:27
11 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:35:08
12 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:34:35
Not panic stations yet but a win in the next game is a must; otherwise, we are back to where we were 12 months ago even if we do have the best squad at the club for years.
13 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:40:03
14 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:39:44
To me, I thought our passing and movement today was ok, we did on the majority of occasions try to play our way through them as there was no way we were going to beat them in the air. There were one or three hoofs but a long way less than would have been the case 2 years ago.
Where did it go wrong? Well, my own personal theories are multi-fold:
First and foremost, I don't believe that our pre-season (and not for the first time) is anywhere near good enough to get us to that quality level required to break teams down. Whilst we retained the ball well, particularly in the 2nd half, our speed of passing, our ball control, our sharpness, our inventiveness was poor, and to me that only comes with playing at that level for two or three games... Games against Sydney, Melbourne, Preston, Everton Chile and Norwich are never good enough to raise the players' levels. We should be playing against the likes of Wolfsburg, Valencia, Weder Bremen, and Benfica, as most other Premier League teams seem to be doing; even allowing that they aren?t at full strength, they would still give us a better game than our current pre-season games. We shouldn?t mind loosing as long as the players are raising their performances.
Secondly, Moyes is still too cautious with his team selection. I?m not saying we throw in Coleman, Gueye, Beckford et al in one go but, if there?s two things Moyes must have learnt over the last 6 weeks, it is that Rodwell, Coleman and Beckford do pose major threats to teams. Whether they can do it at the Premier League level is another thing... but at least give one of them a start rather than throwing them on for 15 mins at the end. If Cahill was also injured this week, why not give Rodwell or Bily a chance there?
Thirdly, I thought Pienaar and Howard looked well off the pace physically and mentally respectively today... and when you consider they both were playing 500-600 miles away on Wednesday and probably didn?t return until yesterday, I?m not surprised with their performances... but again, Moyes could have played others. Howard clearly was at fault for the goal and that?s all Allardyce needs to go into his 9-1 formation. Pienaar was way off his normal level, his first touch was poor, as was his movement.
We will undoubtedly get to that top quality playing level required to push us into CL contention... but, to actually challenge for it, we need to turn it around quickly and I still feel we?ll have some issues over the next few August games. Wolves will come with a defensive formation to Goodison, and Villa are always tough at Villa Park (particularly after their good start today).
15 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:30:43
Read the live comments on TW its worrying that the same stuff appears to be happening regarding the cautious approach to games.
Where's the innovation?
16 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:33:10
Season barely kicked off and already being written off. Maybe we should of let in six again and give everyone something to REALLY worry about!
Opening day really means nothing. Are Tottenham gonna draw every game? No. Are Blackpool gonna beat all their opponants 4-0? No. Are every team in the premiership gonna win ALL of their games that they SHOULD win? No. And that's what makes football interesting otherwise it'd be boring! It's frustrating but I suggest everyone takes it on the chin and looks to the next game cos writing the team off doesn't help anyone
17 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:44:24
Saha looks disinterested and needs dropping.
Put Gueye and Beckford in the starting line up against Wolves please Moyes!
18 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:18:18
It was a shame they scored the goal when they did, but we need to be a lot, lot sharper and be able to break teams down when they defend like that ? by playing (not just in the last 5 mins).
19 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:51:07
20 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:46:11
Too weak, too slow and too lethargic.
The most worrying thing for me was Beckford. Looked totally out of his depth, didn't try to put the effort in and seemed to be a 3rd Division player who thinks he's made it.
However it isn't the end of the world... Yet.
21 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:46:14
Can't understand why Bily doesn't play instead of Ossie. He's not a wide player, as we've witnessed on too many occasions. Play Billy and if he doesn't perform then drop him - but at least give him the chance. Same with Coleman.
My biggest gripe is the forward line. I'm not the Yak's biggest fan but he gives us a focal point, I honestly think Louis is finished, perhaps he's the one we should flog? Beckford looked good when he played up front on his own because he stretched teams and gave the midfield at Leeds (and Everton pre-season) time to play.
Time to take risks ? what the fuck have we got to lose?
22 Posted 14/08/2010 at 17:52:13
23 Posted 14/08/2010 at 18:03:46
"Same shit, different season" ? Works for ToffeeWeb as well. Call me old fashioned, but I would like us to have a couple of more games under our belt before I make any judgements just yet.
24 Posted 14/08/2010 at 18:06:30
Thing that pisses me off about it most is Fucking Sam Head Up Sir Alex Ferguson's Arse Horrible Horribe Horrible Football has done us over, for the 2nd time on the opening day in 3 years. Pisses me off.
Moyes, me, me Mum, me Mum's dog and the rest of the fucking world have been saying that we need to get off to good start and we lose to fucking Sam Fucking Allardyce. Pisses me off.
So. Going to put it down to one of these things. Need to kick Wolves' arses next week now to get the ball rolling.
25 Posted 14/08/2010 at 18:25:19
Fortunately Wolves should be 3 points guaranteed at Goodison. Don't want to to see who we've got after that.
26 Posted 14/08/2010 at 18:28:15
Looks like the natural order of things will continue, I'm sorry to say.
Still, some of our lads can't half twat the bloody thing a long way...
27 Posted 14/08/2010 at 18:18:31
How can anyone leave out Johnny Heitinga for the likes of weak-kneed Osman??? It's an injustice and even when Blackburn lost their key man early on, we still looked awful... and we still have to play Blackpool twice!!!!!!.
Moyes has no guts. We needed speed to take the game to Blackburn from the first whistle but Moyes went for the usual containment and it backfired yet again. Were all these players fit? If so, we are in for a lousy season.
28 Posted 14/08/2010 at 18:27:39
1) When do we ever start well?
2) Blackpool top of the leauge after a 4-0 away win.
3) We WILL improve 100%
Let's consider all of the above, and please no silly comments about "we are just not good enough" & " if Neville/Hibbert/Osman ' playing we would've won".
Oh, and Nathan Ward (19), who posted: "The most worrying thing for me was Beckford. Looked totally out of his depth, didn't try to put the effort in and seemed to be a 3rd Division player who thinks he's made it"
GIVE HIM A FUCKIN CHANCE, LAD. You sound like a kopite.
My advice is this: Don't panic.
29 Posted 14/08/2010 at 18:37:49
Also why is Heitinga still not back playing yet? And a final point, why did Moyes start with Osman outwide when it is blatantly obvious to everyone but Moyes that he is very ineffective on outwide after we've spend £10 million on Bilyaletdinov to play in that position? Nevermind, it's still early days and with the squad we've got Moyes has a difficult job to find his strongest eleven, let's beat Wolves next week!
30 Posted 14/08/2010 at 18:38:33
When the season starts we need to give the team a chance. It was not the line-up I would have picked but I have no doubt that this is a blip. All will be well. We will win a cup and/or qualify for the Europa League. That will do for me and those who expected more are deluded. Look what DM was given to spend.
31 Posted 14/08/2010 at 18:42:05
32 Posted 14/08/2010 at 18:48:20
Charles N zogbia would be a superb signing..If Pienaar and Yakubu want out, sell 'em and lets get this lad on board. All the top sides have these type of players.
33 Posted 14/08/2010 at 18:53:31
34 Posted 14/08/2010 at 18:59:51
35 Posted 14/08/2010 at 19:06:21
36 Posted 14/08/2010 at 19:02:21
37 Posted 14/08/2010 at 19:03:09
Anybody who is expecting Neville or Osman to win games by themselves are dreaming. It's the three mentioned above who should be adding the extra bit of class to break down defenses. Overall, a poor display from the whole team. We tried playing football on the deck, and Blackburn played the defensive/hoofball tactics and won.
38 Posted 14/08/2010 at 19:13:57
39 Posted 14/08/2010 at 19:09:19
Again, whoever told me that our midfielders have clearly defined roles are obviously talking nonsense. We lack any creativity in the side or someone that can take defenders on. Saha looked his usual useless self when Moyes untilizes him like that.
I still think we need to changes in the side. We need a striker and an attacking midfielder as Cahill is not a striker.
40 Posted 14/08/2010 at 19:17:08
41 Posted 14/08/2010 at 19:17:35
42 Posted 14/08/2010 at 19:05:58
Blackburn away is a game we should be winning if we are to have any aspirations of competing for a top 4 place. It's irrelevant whether it's the opening day, mid season or final day.
Moyes has to become more adventurous with his team selection if we are to progress, he has to give Coleman, Rodwell & Beckford a chance. I know it's only 1 game in and maybe he will give them a chance in the next few weeks but there is no point trying to change it 10 or 15 games in when it's too late.
We have to hit the ground running and the team needs to be tinkered with early doors. 4-5-1 at home against the likes of Wolves will not be acceptable this season. Moyes's team selection today did not inspire confidence. I hope he proves me wrong and proves it soon ? starting next week against Wolves.
We have to let the rest of the league know what we are about from the off... no excuses.
43 Posted 14/08/2010 at 19:55:31
I can't believe people still think 4-4-2 is the option, an attacking 4-5-1 is so much more preferable with Cahill, Pienaar and Anichebe playing forward of Saha. We need the 5 to not be a man down in midfield against Wolves!!
Not many teams will get a result at Ewood Park ? we live, we learn we move on!
44 Posted 14/08/2010 at 20:00:49
45 Posted 14/08/2010 at 19:53:12
The problem we have with today's team is that it lacks pace and that is what you need to break down a defense like Blackburn's. Not sure if Coleman is injured but he was not even on the bench today. I would like to see both Rodwell and Coleman given an extended run to see how they perform.
46 Posted 14/08/2010 at 20:26:43
47 Posted 14/08/2010 at 20:35:45
48 Posted 14/08/2010 at 20:53:21
49 Posted 14/08/2010 at 20:51:05
50 Posted 14/08/2010 at 20:51:14
If indeed we could have had Hart on the cheap, it made Howard's howler all the more hard to bear.
Still, we can right the ship against Wolves. Not yet panic stations by any means.
51 Posted 14/08/2010 at 20:59:26
More importantly, Beckford should start alongside Saha, with Gueye and Rodwell also given starts next time out. Enough with the lone-striker crap. Did it ever work? I thought what Moyes said about the Blackburn game was typically complacent. We looked exactly like a team that plays in pink.
52 Posted 14/08/2010 at 21:00:00
David Moyes is easily one of the best managers in the Premier League. He's worked absolute wonders at the Club and I for one would have not one other manager leading Everton.
It isn't hating if you're constantly frustrated with team selection. He does continually go back to the same old players, and it IS frustrating. Can anyone honestly say Osman should be playing out wide in the opener? Repeat for emphasis: in the opener? He continually drifted in and as many ahead of me have pointed out we had no width. There's no way Osman should be given the nod in the starting 11 when everyone is healthy.
This is the season to take a shot. For bold moves and decisions to be made. Not to have Leon Osman out wide! He is not a bad player at all. He has his place in the squad and can contribute.
But for the love of God, not today.
Degrading this critical analysis to "Moyes bashing" is disingenuous. I absolutely love Moyes. But he has to stop this back-to-the-well approach and start to take some real bold steps and moves.
It was, unequivocally, the same shit all over again.
Please, please throw Coleman, Gueye, Anichebe, RODWELL (!), Bily... anyone out there and make some adjustments for next week, Mr Moyes!
We didn't play all that bad. But this is a common trend with team and player selection by the Manager that just has to stop.
Can you really disagree with that? If so, how? Christ man, it's plain as day!
53 Posted 14/08/2010 at 20:51:24
54 Posted 14/08/2010 at 20:50:41
Get it together Moyes!!!!
Seriouly though, if Pienaar played anywhere near as good as he can, Osman on the right wouldn't have been big problem. But a viable option on the right is needed. It is still early days though.
55 Posted 14/08/2010 at 20:48:44
I'd have Bellamy in a heartbeat simply cos the lad can play and is'nt frightened, 2 things this side could do with.
When I've seen his interviews he's a strong character but I believe he'd respond to Moyes and get the fans going.
Plus he's the sort to give a few home truths to the shrinking violets who play when it suits.
56 Posted 14/08/2010 at 21:09:08
It's odd to the point of bemusement that the Moyes acolytes (I know, I know) get so bent out of shape when the truth dares to speak it's name on here. Andy Crooks is right: critical analysis is being hounded out... but in this instance it is entirely 100% justified.
How many of us looked at that team selection and cried, "Same old, same old.."? I certainly did. Even yesterday, we were informed that Moyes is still learning... EIGHT FUCKING YEARS into the job! Well, on today's evidence, he's learnt nothing.
"We've seen it hundreds of times under Moyes." ? I'd be astounded if the massed ranks of Moyes Apologists on here can deny that. (Of course, now they will...)
57 Posted 14/08/2010 at 21:20:46
58 Posted 14/08/2010 at 21:27:08
That's got to be one of the most bizarre posts I've read here. "Not the end of the world just yet" You then go on to state on the back of one result that we won't be winning any trophies. Something of a contradiction, don't you think?
59 Posted 14/08/2010 at 21:26:22
I looked at 3 of my 5 kids in the room with me watching the game when the line-up popped up on the screen and said - "What?"
I was dumbfounded.
I actually used the magic of modern day TV, rewound and paused on the line-up to see if what I saw was actually acurate.
Then I quickly fast-forwarded to catch the match live.... left 90 odd minutes later still scratching my head.
60 Posted 14/08/2010 at 21:20:17
61 Posted 14/08/2010 at 21:51:12
62 Posted 14/08/2010 at 21:58:02
.......which makes me wonder if somebody really does know something, and has placed a substantial bet.
Or, somebody at Skybet is hugely incompetent / having a laugh. Delete as appropriate !
Bellamy would be a good signing, in my opinion, although his alleged £80,000 per wage wage might be a stumbling block, as well as City's reluctance to sell to Everton.
63 Posted 14/08/2010 at 21:33:23
A lot of teams are playing 4-2-3-1, and we?ve got the players for that formation; the 2 holding mids could be either Heitinga/Fellani/Rodwell (Rodwell got MotM for his display in that position for the U21s this week). The width is provided by the full back which would have to be Coleman, and he would always be covered by one of the holding mids.
To my mind, the biggest worry is Saha, who since he?s signed the big contract, has been playing with his slippers on, and none of our midfielders are prolific scorers. Ahh there?s nothing like a new season to dent your optimism.
64 Posted 14/08/2010 at 22:03:11
65 Posted 14/08/2010 at 22:16:06
We'll never get anywhere fettering / leaving out attacking talent like Coleman and playing hoofball merchants like Neville. Moyes is great at motivation, great at coaching players, and great at finding new talent. But he's truly horrible at organising an attacking setup.
66 Posted 14/08/2010 at 22:10:53
67 Posted 14/08/2010 at 22:03:17
68 Posted 14/08/2010 at 22:12:21
We lost the game today because of a goalkeeping error. How predictable that the Moyes bashers are blaming him, Osman, Neville,and anything or anybody that doesn't take their fancy. No-one is blaming Arteta, Fellaini, etc. The team/squad selection was made with fitness levels/ the opposition in mind. When we win, it's in spite of Moyes.
Normal service resumed on TW then.
69 Posted 14/08/2010 at 22:10:14
Well at 6:30 am this morning, the line-up was announced (I live in California so we are 8 hours behind) and I turned to my girlfriend and said we are going to draw at best or more than likely lose.
45 minutes later, we were 1-0 down and to be honest we never looked dangerous or like we wanted to win. My girlfriend is not a football fan and has always been curious about how I can see our line-up and predict what the result is going to be. I have watched pretty much every game home or away last season on TV and feel that I can see why we seem so lame at times by team selection.
We lost today so any stupid reason to defend the team that was selected has now gone out the window. Heitinga has to be paired with Jags, Coleman for sure especially watching those pathetic crosses from Neville.
Fellaini was poor today and needs match fitness; Pienaar was off the pace also. Saha is looking like one of the French National Team Players that just quit but is still on the pitch!! Howard's mistake can be forgiven as he has saved our ass a lot and cannot be condemned for the rest of the team not able to put 2 goals in against Blackburn.
One last point I would like to make:, before the Everton game, I was up at 4:30 am to watch Spurs against City and I am so glad we didn't play Spurs today as we might have been beaten 6-0. They were quick, skillful and should've beaten City at least 4-0 except for Joe Hart.
70 Posted 14/08/2010 at 22:27:26
One game and a keeper's mistake, ok that's your 'get out of jail' card used up.
One swallow doesn't make a summer etc, I am a bit of a doubter (it goes with the name) but from where I stand the Emperor seems to have no clothes, is it a trick of the light or am i seeing the light?
You can get away once on a nice summer's day with walking around bollocko, but if it carries on it will be a long cold winter... and discontent? You ain't seen nothing yet.
71 Posted 14/08/2010 at 22:18:18
1. I have always said Moyes and his management team are the professionals so we should back their ability and believe in them but to continue to play Ossie wide right just to give him a game is shortsighted in the extreme. This game was crying out for some width and quality and was an ideal opportunity, in the absense of Anichebe and Coleman, to give Gueye a run out.
2. Although Tim Howard dropped a clanger (literally), they are the sort of setbacks we would normally roll our sleeves up and overcome but today there was no real spirit or togetherness evident. Too many players looked as if they had never played together.
3. Apart from Fellaini MF, especially Mikey were not looking for the ball at all and all too often we reverted to Jags hoofing it up to their defenders. We do not play hoofball well as has been proven last year when we kept the ball on the ground and looked a different team.
4. Substitutions were made too late. It was obvious in the first 15 minutes that Ossie was not working out and Cahill was not his usual self.
5. The substitutions were weird. We're losing 1-0 and he takes Saha off and then plays Beckford on his own when we needed to be really bold.
I know this is only one game and the league is a marathon not a sprint but all the pre-season optimism and spirit has been drained by a totally anaemic performance the likes of which we haven't seen since 2009.
72 Posted 14/08/2010 at 22:41:59
We got beat 1-0 by Blackburn (by due of a goalkeeping error) away today. It'll be a tough place to go for everyone due to the approach of their horrible fuck of a manager.
They'll be reasons for the team selection. Highlights again the need for a right winger (personally I think Bily's fucking hopeless on the wing so don't think that's the answer)
Either way, so what. We're still going to win the league.
(A Moyes Affirmist.)
73 Posted 14/08/2010 at 22:55:22
74 Posted 14/08/2010 at 22:56:51
75 Posted 14/08/2010 at 23:03:10
(Who's had more than a wee nip or two...)
Sorry boys, only joking......just could'nt resist
76 Posted 14/08/2010 at 23:08:07
77 Posted 14/08/2010 at 23:09:18
How many of us looked at that team selection and cried, "Same old, same old.."?
He could just have easily have written. "How many of us logged onto Toffeweb and read Michael et al's coments and though same old, same old?"
Sometimes reading the forum is like groundhog day.
They usual it is "Neville and Osman's fault we lost" bollocks. The typically insulting "Moyes apologist" jibe for supporters who actually rate the manager.
The clamour for Coleman, as if he is the answer to all our prayers.
"When will Moyes learn" shite about starting with the same players as last year. The side, which incidentally lost just twice in the league in 2010. Why on earth would you start with these players?
I, like most of the more level headed posters above, will reserve judgement until after a few more games.
78 Posted 14/08/2010 at 23:20:35
I had to have a couple myself this evening to help get over the disappointment, as I'm sure Mike did.
It's amazing what difference a few hours of calm reflection can do, rather than venting your spleen straight after the final whistle...
79 Posted 14/08/2010 at 23:42:11
The team for next week's game drastically needs shaking up, and although I would stick with Neville at RB due to Coleman's inexperience, Osman simply doesn't warrant a place in the team. The fact that we have Rodwell running the show playing for the U21s and tied up on a 5-year deal, it beggers belief as to how he doesn't start for us. If Moyes is fearing a 'burnout' then why is he letting him play in England fixtures days before the opening game of the season?
Bring on next week and let's hope Moyes mixes things up....COYB!
80 Posted 14/08/2010 at 23:37:50
Let's face it, we were always on for a kicking today and DM must be able to see this, but he plays a half-fit Fellaini and Osman wide right, Pienaar didn't look fit, were was he midweek? Cahill was none existent and Arteta, yes Arteta didn't once try and run into the box with the ball, he just took the easy option of passing it sideways or to Saha who had three men on him at times.
Moyes must be able to see this, but didn't change it again until it was too late.
The writing was on the wall yesterday when Osman said were going to play them off the park on the ground, thus telling Big Sam that Osman was playing or he wouldn't of said it, and Big Sam rubbing his hands at the thought of us sending a team that was void of the likes of Rodders, Johnny etc. a team that would be bossed about all too easily.
Arteta, Osman, Pienaar, Cahill (looked knackered) half-fit Fellaini... how were they ever gonna compete with Sam's Dogs of War, when Mr World Cup Finalist can't even get a game,
'Ave a pair of balls, Davey, for fucks sake!
81 Posted 15/08/2010 at 00:08:30
82 Posted 15/08/2010 at 00:15:18
In that period Britain has produced magnificent goalkeepers. There isn't a decent goalkeeper in the premier league(Hart might change that). If Tim Howard's error is what stands between us and success then we are in trouble. Same goes for Leon Osman, played out of position once again. Consign today's result to history, it was some improvement on last year. Let's move on and save the stick till we play like Wigan . I am still miserable but one game doesn't make us shite.
83 Posted 15/08/2010 at 00:16:45
I'm sure we will play a much more attacking side for our home games. Maybe give one or two of the new boys a chance!!
84 Posted 14/08/2010 at 23:50:16
The most disappointing thing though has to be Neville at right back and Osman starting. If that is the best we have, our first choice, then we haven't progressed at all and all our optimism seems misplaced. As was said above, these players aren't 'to blame' and they should have a role in the squad over the course of the season, but we must feel we can do better than that, even if its for the second half at 1-0 down (although Coleman wasn't even on the bench, Hibbert was).
The truest thing that can be said though is that we'll have much more of a clue after 10, or even 5, games than we have now.
Please forgive the slightly odd order of this post as I've been reading all 77 posts as I've written it, so I have a few other points:
Why all the moaning about one up front? Everybody plays one up front, it's not negative, it's just a different way of attacking. I feel like this has been argued so many times. Runners from deep are harder to mark, and you also get more of the ball in midfield with one out and out striker so you have more opportunity to attack. Our possession today, for all the moaning about hoofing it, was 58% and we had 9 shots on target to Blackburn's 2.
There's not a right lot wrong with us, but today's wasn't a good enough performance, and whether they played badly or not, Neville and Osman play in two areas of the field where we can definitely improve. This is the time to be bold. Sure, Coleman might not score a hat-trick if he plays, but nor will the world blow up and we concede 17 goals from the opposition's left winger.The point is that it's worth a try of something different, becuase it's not like everything we've built up will tumble like a house of cards if it doesn't come off immediately.
I'm definitely a Moyes backer ('acolyte', 'apologist' whatever term you want to use that makes it obvious you watch too much Fox News) but I see his mistakes and conservatism and how they can be a problem, and there are things I wish he'd do differently, I just don't stamp my feet like a toddler when things don't go my way. I said this around Christmas last year and it didn't happen, so there's no reason to suspect it'll happen now, but winnable home games are where Coleman should be introduced into the first team, starting with Wolves on Saturday and Huddersfield in the Cup. This is an area where we can improve by next week, as two attacking full backs are very, very difficult for opponents to stop.
85 Posted 15/08/2010 at 00:31:30
Johnny played for a team that made it to the World Cup Final, but he's obviously not good enough to play against the mighty Blackburn! Young Rodders is the future of England, but not as good as Osman? Bily cost £11 million but again not good enough to start against the wonders that are Blackburn...
It's called making tough decisions, leaving out your old faithfulls for the greater good of the team. DM doesn't seem capable of this, and this team will come together by default, ie Coleman etc, but it may take 8 or 9 games before that happens cos Davey hasn't got the bollicks to start with our best eleven.
And that's my worry, Andy, not the team... it's there, it's just playing them. We're eight years down the line and he's still afraid to do the right thing out of some misguided loyalty.
Nice guys come second, so they say. By the time we start to play our best team, imo it will be too late. We'll be 8 or 9 games in and it's catch-up time again. It can't happen this season or the team we have now will break up next year, we must play our best 11 all the time!
86 Posted 15/08/2010 at 00:54:40
We have played 100% in the past without quality. Today we played like a good side going to a bad team. We are not used to being the footballing side but when we add quality to endeavour we might just achieve something. Let's forget today and move on. It was a good result.
87 Posted 15/08/2010 at 01:03:05
Robert, are you seriously suggesting that DM didn't pick JH because he thought that he wasn't good enough to play against Blackburn? FFS get a grip. He wasn't selected due to the fact that he hasn't had much match time since he returned to training after his post-World Cup break.
"Bily cost £11 million but again not good enough to start against the wonders that are Blackburn,"
Bilya cost £9m. Stop putting his fee up. He has had a poor pre-season, so it is no wonder he wasn't given a starting berth. He doesn't merit one on present form.
"Davey hasn't got the bollicks to start with our best eleven, he's still afraid to do the right thing out of some misguided loyalty."
Whatever reasons DM had for selecting the team and squad that he did, not having the "bollicks", or being "afraid to do the right thing out of some misguided loyalty", aren't two of them.
As much as some people might criticise DM, being 'afraid' to do the right thing is not something that can be levelled against him. Stubbornness? Possibly. Fear? Absolutely not.
88 Posted 15/08/2010 at 01:23:54
Watched the Spurs/Man City game after watching that piece of muck. It was like they were playing in an entirely different league. I guess even great teams can get dragged into the mire by ones who insist on playing shit football, but I wish it didn't happen to us so often.
89 Posted 15/08/2010 at 04:19:42
Once again, when it comes to tactics, Moyes has shown that he is nowhere near the likes of Mourinho. It is glaringly obvious why we lost:
#1: Played hoof ball against a team that specializes in hoofing it, not to mention they have much bigger players too.
$2: Playing a defensively-minded 4-5-1 against a technically inferior side. We should have gone with two strikers up front. Saha was left on his own with little support and two big Blackburn centrebacks for company; no wonder he looked jaded. The Yak should have partnered him. At least we would have a real target man to aim the ball at.
We had Felliani, Cahill, Arteta in the middle of the park, with Osman on the right and Pienaar on the left.
This means we played with no natural wingers and to make things worse, the five in midfield tended to cluster-fuck in/near the centre. We had no real width to stretch Blackburn.
#3: Osman and Neville. Why were they even in the starting lineup? Neville's crossing was shite as usual, and Osman was completely useless. He is a substandard version of Joe Cole and if anyone wanted to buy him, I would shake his hand off and use the money to get Donovan.
#4: Overly elaborate passing. Against Blackburn, who had most of their men back in their own half after their goal, we should have stretched their defence by exerting pace on the wings. Sadly, we didn't do that and we kept passing the ball in midfield and on the occasions when the ball was on the flanks, we failed to deliver good crosses. All the passing around on the flanks really irritated me. A real winger would have driven the ball quickly. We played like this when we lost the derby last season and Moyes has not learnt his lesson.
#5: Bily. We looked more effective when Bily came on and Osman went off. Pienaar switched to the right and Bily, despite his apparent lack of pace, actually made the left flank look more dangerous.
#6: Tim Howard. Clearly at fault for the goal. He failed to hold on to the ball, and his lousy footwork contributed to the ball spinning out of his grasp and BEHIND him. Southall he is not.
#7: Lop-sided formation. Almost all our attacks came from the left and the centre. What happened to our right? We played like a boxer who has only one arm.
Compare our performance to that of Spurs and Man Shitty game and we were clearly several leagues down their level. They kept the ball on the deck, had fast movement on and off the ball, and as a result, their attacking play was so much superior. We were lumping it forward aimlessly last night and that's a shame because surely, these highly paid professionals know how to pass a ball, yea?
90 Posted 15/08/2010 at 04:55:58
We all seem to forget that until recently we have been playing similar tactics (getting results despite shocking football)........
We need to adapt and beat teams that play different styles, we just seemed to forget this yesterday. We were crying out for width, pace and creativity. Unfortunately our team selection and tactics missed the point completely.
Re group and bring on next weekend. I think we actually needed a reality check (supporters and players), now lets work for results instead of believing the hype and expecting it be come on a plate.
COYB - 3 points against Wigan and lets start an Everton run which have been common place under Moyes, but at the start of the season please!!!!
91 Posted 15/08/2010 at 05:51:39
92 Posted 15/08/2010 at 06:17:00
God, I'm not this way normally and so avoided this. But here it goes. LD can't cost THAT much. MLS knows so. To win the thing, we have to try as hard as every team with aspirations. Landon opens up the entire field.
He's a "Fuck you" arrogant little prick who's talented. Who else do we have with that attitude?
EFC will be right in there for sure. Saturday's game showed us continuing the end of last season. We out-played a team and came away with nothing.
That'll change here, right away. But Landon is the key. Work a deal, for God's sake. Galaxy has money to burn. They don'y need more.
93 Posted 15/08/2010 at 08:08:18
I've read comment on here claiming we have the best midfield in the league, well I watched Chelsea and our midfield comes nowhere near, similar with Villa, pace, movement, creativity... We need to face up to it that fact.
As for Leon Osman, let's not get on his back, he plays to his best ability but he's not a fucking wide player and Moyes must wake up to the fact.
94 Posted 15/08/2010 at 08:25:39
95 Posted 15/08/2010 at 08:12:58
Whether Vic or Anyone we can get in before the Transfer deadline can make the difference is yet to be seen but we are very weak on the right side and EVERY Premier League team knows that.
I'm still positive about the season but it's the same problems in the team. If you only play one striker (which we will all season) then width and creativity are a must.
LD would be one solution but we don't have the cash and the only way we will get it is by selling Pienaar which then creates exactly the same problem on the left.
My only critisicm of Moyes is that width has always been a problem and in 8 years we have never come close to solving it, oh and the fact that the team who played yesterday seemed to never have met each other...
Anyway, Wolves next, let's make the Old Lady roar and get the 3 points... which will be tricky as they are a very well drilled side.
96 Posted 15/08/2010 at 10:19:55
Donovan looks like he's got 12-15 goals in him a season; go and buy him!
97 Posted 15/08/2010 at 11:21:10
Your post included 4 changes to our line-up, which is actually 36% of "exceptions" to Moyes's lineup (I am including Coleman in that by the way).
I stated pre-season what I think is our best line up. Isn't the 4-4-2 system dead now? 4-2-3-1 is the new pink. I'd play:
Baines, Jagielka, Heitinga, Coleman,
Pienaar, Cahill, Arteta
Now admittedly that's only 4 different starters, plus a different formation, but I think 36% is quite a high percentage of "exceptions" to have in your starting 11. Guess the result proved that also...
98 Posted 15/08/2010 at 11:08:21
We are a team with no pace and the only player with any pace (Rodwell) is on the bench to have Osman played out of position; we have a promising fullback who would have put Blackburn's left side on the back foot yet Coleman is not on the bench to make way for Hibbert. Moyes has been to loyal to all these and needs to be more ruthless and start bombing some of these out the door or we are in for the same old...
For Saturday, I hope Moyes makes the changes that we can all see from the stands and also sorts the Pienaar situation out once and for all ? sell the cunt or give him a reality check in the reserves.
99 Posted 15/08/2010 at 00:53:37
100 Posted 15/08/2010 at 13:13:49
Every single free-kick they get in their half is taken by Robinson and launched into the opposition's penalty area. Every throw-in further up the field is launched into the oppositions penalty area, after Pedersen has taken about a week and a half drying the ball so the talentless giants can lumber forward and try to wrestle the ball into the net.
They should be ashamed and embarrassed. They are not a football team, in fact they are everything that's wrong with modern day football.
There is shame in losing to Blackburn, but there is more shame in being Blackburn.
101 Posted 15/08/2010 at 13:44:38
For the prosecution... Osman is always the wrong choice at right mid but even more so at Ewood. They defend with 10 so we needed width and/or pace to move them around and Osman gives neither. Nor does Neville. Fellaini should never have been in the side (I thought he was awful on the ball). Why play 2 strikers for a short period?
Nothing made sense... but it's still the same squad we all had high hopes for a couple of days ago. 37 games left to turn possession into goals.
102 Posted 15/08/2010 at 13:54:23
103 Posted 15/08/2010 at 14:11:10
104 Posted 15/08/2010 at 14:16:18
105 Posted 15/08/2010 at 14:40:03
What utter tripe. Blackburn actually outplayed us. You suggest they should be embarassed at winning a game by employing a tactic we've been exponents of for the last 8 years is complete and utter crap.
If anybody should be embarrassed, it is us.
Moyes picked the wrong team and has shown yet again, that he's either too bloody stubborn or that he just doesn't learn from his mistakes. As Michaal said the other day... two steps forward, three back.
I'm not going to analyse the match, because there's far too much to cover... But to blame Blackburn for our failings, or to chastise them for their style, is utterly pathetic.
106 Posted 15/08/2010 at 13:37:01
We lost because of a goalkeeping error.
We lost because our full backs offered no threat going forward.
We lost because our entire midfield lacked the pep and flair we are looking for.
We lost because Blackburn, having got their lead, did to us what we have been doing to other teams for years.
We lost because our best striker was completely out of sorts. We lost because, instead of trying to turn their big no nonsense defenders, we knocked meat and drink long balls to them ? the England center back doing so with depressing regularity.
We lost because when big ugly Blackburn stood defiantly in front of us, we were clean out of ideas.
We lost because nobody played as well as they could.
Moyes has got a decent squad here, he`ll need every single player between now and the end of the season. Yesterday was a bad day at the office, that's all; there will be more... but when I look at other "ambitious teams" ? not many of who will get any joy at Ewood this season ? I see nothing special.
My belief that we will finish top four remains undiminished.
107 Posted 15/08/2010 at 14:49:33
108 Posted 15/08/2010 at 14:13:03
Moyes is not a winner and EFC will never be successful until we replace him with a winner. He may have saved us from the drop but do we now have to resign ourselves to everlasting mediocrity? As usual, his after-match comments were cringeworthy. I find it quite amusing that people are criticising Allardyce for aiming to do exactly the same as Moyes. At least Allardyce has a sense of humour! If we ever did get a sugar-daddy, Moyes would be the first to go.
109 Posted 15/08/2010 at 15:01:12
110 Posted 15/08/2010 at 17:25:20
111 Posted 15/08/2010 at 18:26:35
DM is a dour Scot with loyalty to the elder statesmen as he showed with Weir, Stubbs, Naysmith, Ferguson and now Cahill, Hibbert and Neville... he is still loath to play the kids and only injuries or a run of defeats will make him alter his selection plans.
He talks about our current crop of promising kids but he will keep them on the bench for cameo performances if we are losing or have injuries... you will continue to see Neville, Osman, Cahill and Hibbert ad nauseum!!
I truly hope I am totally wrong !!!!!!!
112 Posted 15/08/2010 at 21:46:51
Yesterday, we had 16 attempts on goal and came up empty. The strategy has to change or the team selection. Failing that, Moyes has to come under serious scrutiny by the board. On a another note, is it not a bit ironic that both Merseyside keepers made catastrophic blunders in the opening games?
On a another note, is it not a bit ironic that both Merseyside keepers made catastrophic blunders in the opening games?
113 Posted 15/08/2010 at 23:09:45
Granted, it is early days, but our typical style of play of the last few seasons is not capable of facilitating European qualification this season, let alone a top 4 place. Moyes FC is a solid mid-table club. He has done very well to achieve this on a limited budget. However, as Trevor Lynes has already implied, Moyes is too focused on negating the opposition and not winning the game outright. This does his players a disservice, and must often frustrate them immensely. I actually feel a bit sorry for Mikel. His loyalty might hold him back.
114 Posted 16/08/2010 at 01:04:35
If anybody should be embarrassed, it is us."
Throughout my Everton supporting days I have been embarrassed by our hoofing, of course, but we've never employed that kind of Allardyce-esque cynicism. And we obviously haven't employed that tactic for the last 8 years so I don't know why you bother with that sort of comment, probably to start an argument.
Anyway, you clearly missed my point, or rather you accused me of a point I didn't make. I wasn't blaming their tactics for our defeat, just venting about how much I hate them for playing like that, against us or anyone else. I too couldn't be bothered to analyse Everton's failings yesterday and get into an argument about Moyes/Hibbert etc, but I couldn't let that "don't be too harsh on Blackburn" comment go. And it's "utterly pathetic" that I think Blackburn's tactics are shameful? Come on, Ciaran, is it really? No. It's obviously not. Good point though...
115 Posted 16/08/2010 at 10:44:14
116 Posted 16/08/2010 at 11:19:40
Yes we have.
117 Posted 16/08/2010 at 13:15:00
We can criticise Moyes all we want but even I would have thought that midfield would have been able to carve out chances. And all of those screaming for Beckford inclusion, did you see his shot near the end, pure panic and no finese...great.
Also some sadistic part of me wants to see Moyes include Coleman, to see him for what he really is, a budding talent, not some almighty conquering hero that some beleive him to be.
118 Posted 16/08/2010 at 13:36:20
119 Posted 16/08/2010 at 13:50:40
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