Just read that our very own Joseph Yobo has been in talks to be loaned to Celtic. Surely this is a bad move for the club.
Loaning out youngsters to gain them first team experience is one thing but loaning out a player of Yobo's age shows the fact that he's not wanted by the manager or the club and will only lower his valuation. We should just sell the lad to the first club who offers a decent wedge for him rather than farm him out to clubs who are skint! (like us).
Personally, think this is a bad move
Tony Hale, Posted 19/08/2010 at 16:33:59
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1 Posted 19/08/2010 at 16:57:15
2 Posted 19/08/2010 at 17:52:38
3 Posted 19/08/2010 at 17:56:11
4 Posted 19/08/2010 at 18:04:22
It could be were selling him and in fact it's not a loan. Granted the title to this was "Yobo on his way out on loan". I do agree with you though, a loan would be pointless.
5 Posted 19/08/2010 at 18:38:03
6 Posted 19/08/2010 at 18:29:50
It looks as though Jagielka and Distin are Everton's first choice centre backs but Jags in particular may suffer with injuries as the season goes on. So you would expect the defender just behind them to get quite a bit of football over the season.
You would think that defender would be Yobo but if he is being sent to Celtic then its fair to assume that Yobo has fallen down the pecking order further then we know.
Maybe Moyes has it in mind to use Heitinga as a back-up central defender. In fact its quite possible Johnny Heitinga may end up giving his defensive midfield role to Rodwell and moving to defence full time. Maybe even displacing Distin to partner Jags in defence. Then Moyes would have a Heitinga/Jagielka partnership at the back with Distin on the bench.
Then of course we have Shane Duffy. His name sounds like a boyband member but he looked pretty useful before his injury last season. Maybe Duffy is progressing enough for Moyes to feel save to allow Yobo to go?
And as a last resort we have Tony Hibbert. He's done a decent job in the past at Centre Back. He played there again in the recent friendly against Norwich.
Yobo is probably finding himself falling down the pecking order. He's clearly behind Jagielka, Distin, Heitinga and maybe now even Duffy and Hibbert.
I agree though it makes no sense to loan him to Celtic. We need the money and should cash in while he's still worth something.
7 Posted 19/08/2010 at 20:05:33
8 Posted 19/08/2010 at 20:05:33
9 Posted 19/08/2010 at 20:09:25
I know those with memories will call him 50p head and talk about howlers and lack of concentration, Rooney, blah...
Captain of Nigeria and electric pace, taller than the apparent heirs to the central defence throne, and pops up with the occasional goal.
Please do not bring up the distribution aspect, we hardly have many better, Johnny aside, and lastly the long diagonal from Right Cb to Left Wing-it always goes wrong-but how many of our defenders try the same ball? Is it his fault? Or is he coached to do it?
Never moans or lets anyone down.
I know it was tried a while ago, but why oh why was it never fixed to convert him to right back. pace height and can cover awol collegues?
10 Posted 19/08/2010 at 20:11:08
It's never how you want it to be....
11 Posted 19/08/2010 at 20:16:07
He is clumsy - Pinnacle point was the derby at Goodison last season he had a major hand in the two Liverpool goals.
He does pass well. Put him under a bit of pressure and he HOOOOOOFs the ball. After a particular good (or bad) on the hoofing front I named him the crown prince of Hoofball.
He isn't a leader. When he was stand-in captain he was not able to lead the team, and when we were shafted before the African nations, an injured Yobo to jump ship when we needed him.
In fact I think it was this decision to leave while he was stand in captain which was the final nail in his Everton coffin. I won't be disappointed to see him go, but I do have fond memories from the early days.
12 Posted 19/08/2010 at 20:28:04
13 Posted 19/08/2010 at 22:02:24
Yobo is undoubtedly talented but like Distin he cannot concentrate for 90 minutes and goes missing in vertain games.
Added to that it is rumoured he had a big fallout with Moyes so we know what's going to happen anyway.
14 Posted 19/08/2010 at 22:11:30
15 Posted 20/08/2010 at 01:44:38
He always seemed to need a more experienced and vocal defender, such as Stubbs, alongside him to cajole him and prevent him from switching off during games. Unfortunately, costly lapses of concentration have gone from being occasional to the norm for the Nigerian.
I personally gave him up for a lost cause after the game a couple of seasons ago (can't recall who it was against now) when he started fannying about trying to fasten his shoe lace in the middle of the box, totally oblivious to the fact that an opposition attack was occurring. He stood there, bent over, in his own little world, as the ball whistled right past him into the net. Unbelievable.
16 Posted 20/08/2010 at 02:16:37
Try before you buy?
So why criticise the deal?
17 Posted 20/08/2010 at 02:08:49
IMO he has at best 70 minutes of concentration and can end up being a liability in some games.
He has however pulled off some great performances and one-on-one marking of some decent players (Drogba / Chelski etc).
But for me he is shit now and needs to call it quits at this level ? the Scottish Prem is a huge drop in skill level so he should be OK if he does go!
Good luck to him if he goes...
18 Posted 20/08/2010 at 03:29:28
"He appears to have regressed, rather than improved, during his time at the club."
I see your point, but would say that he did improve during his first few years with us. But he seems to be past his best now though.
Enjoyed the rest of your post, especially the shoelaces bit!
19 Posted 20/08/2010 at 03:33:47
What happens if two of our CBs get injured! Not that unlikely and we don't want to be messing around with makeshift defenses again. It's a squad game and we don't have the numbers to start selling!
20 Posted 20/08/2010 at 03:13:49
21 Posted 20/08/2010 at 07:58:53
22 Posted 20/08/2010 at 08:21:11
23 Posted 20/08/2010 at 08:22:39
24 Posted 20/08/2010 at 09:45:59
25 Posted 20/08/2010 at 10:46:05
Care to elaborate?
26 Posted 20/08/2010 at 11:04:07
27 Posted 20/08/2010 at 11:56:05
Joseph must be one of our longest serving foreign players, and longest serving of the current staff. Despite his lapses (and since his bro's been kidnapped, another bro assaulted on the street - I can forgive a few of those) overall has been a good player for us, never angling for a move or causing unrest, belting teammates with golfclubs or getting his agent to talk for him.
Looking back, he's pulled his weight and helped us rise up the table. Good on ya Jo'. Team player.
28 Posted 20/08/2010 at 12:31:25
In Moyes's early years, Joseph pointed the way forward for Everton, and was so obviously better than half the plodders around him. But, I agree, things haven't developed to the extent that they should have done for him, and all those 'off to Arsenal for £10m' rumours seem like a million years ago. Very sad really; he seemed to have everything it took to become an Everton captain for yonks to come.
As a side point ? and I'll get the tin hat on in advance ? I really don't get the vitriol of the Distin-bashing on ToffeeWeb. When he arrived, lots of people on here ? and, more importantly, David Moyes ? were gushing over how well he'd settled in, brought experience to the backline, was way better than Lescott, etc etc. I don't feel a great deal different about this now, and although I'd rather our regular back pairing was Jagielka and Heitinga, I feel way more comfortable when I see Distin's name on the teamsheet than Joseph's.
29 Posted 20/08/2010 at 13:04:32
30 Posted 20/08/2010 at 14:10:05
I'm sure if Moyes does sell to buy, Dicky Dodd will be on here saying how much support Kenwright gives his manager. I remember last year once we'd sold Lescott, Dodd saying how great Kenwright was for allowing Moyes to spend the money!
31 Posted 20/08/2010 at 14:53:53
Do you work for SSN Richard?
When they "understand" something it is usually because they have it on pretty good authority, which is often wrong. (e.g. Moyes after Petrov).
Is your 'understanding' based on a similar authortity?
32 Posted 20/08/2010 at 16:24:24
33 Posted 20/08/2010 at 22:25:20
I remember Joe's shoelace shocker quite well,and I'm pretty sure it was Fulham away. We lost 2-1 if memory serves,and it was one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen.
34 Posted 21/08/2010 at 06:32:42
Incredible physique and speed, great player at his best.
Agreed, he is starting to fade. If he goes he still deserves nothing but respect for what he has achieved at Everton FC.
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