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Pienaar: The final word?

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In today's Daily Mail, David Moyes says: 'Steven was made a brilliant offer and it has been on the table for three or four months,' ... 'I've said all along I will keep him and I've not budged.' The Mail goes on to say that Moyes is adamant no offers have been received and that Pienaar, 28, will see out the 12 months on his current deal, rather than be allowed to leave on the cheap. According to the paper, the deal offered was £55,000 a week. With the usual caveats about the veracity of the Mail's story, this is the first time that Moyes has declared that he is prepared to let Pienaar serve out his 12 months rather than cash in now. I know ToffeeWeb contributors have different views on this subject but it seems to me that some real intentions have come out of this story:

1. Moyes will keep Pienaar and make him see out his contract;

2. EFC believe Pienaar is worth considerably less than Arteta;

3. It doesn't appear to be length of contract that's the issue.

I personally would have thought that Pienaar would have been a lot closer in salary (to Arteta).

This whole story begs the question of course: if Moyes sticks to this view, we are definitely going to lose Pienaar for nothing next year. Nose, face, cut?
Tony McDonald, Heswall     Posted 21/08/2010 at 09:40:36

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Kev Lacey
1   Posted 21/08/2010 at 14:33:51

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He's a good player but anyone that won't accept 55 thousand pounds a week to play for our football club can just leave. I wondered if he nearly crashed his Bentley into Cashley's when he heard about that shocking offer!

Pienaar went from being a youth with great player to being almost on the scrap heap at Dortmund before he was given a chance by Everton football club and he should remember that.
Brian Williams
2   Posted 21/08/2010 at 15:02:37

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Actually it's NOT the first time David Moyes has said he's prepared to let Pienaar run down the last year of his contract. Moyes stated as much several months ago when the original (and the clubs best and final offer) was made to Steven. (fact)

At that point he said he wanted to concentrate on the World Cup (the offer had been made a month or so before the World Cup). (fact)

I said then and I'll say it again now. The club has made Pienaar an offer they (including David Moyes) thinks is fair. There's not going to be a better offer made so it's up to (like it has been from day one) Pienaar to decide whether to sign or not. (fact)

He held out hoping someone would come in for him during/post World Cup..they haven't. (IMO)

He'll now hold out until January when he can talk to other clubs. Should nobody come in for him then.........he'll sign. (IMO).

The club have received no offers for Pienaar (fact).
Wayne Smyth
3   Posted 21/08/2010 at 15:04:13

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He's good, but not good enough to warrant any more than the club have apparently offered.

Personally I'd rather the club attempt to give players like Gueye or someone from the reserves/lower league a chance rather than spend more than we can afford to, to keep Pienaar.

The only downside to Moyes plan is that I do worry that Pienaar may not give 100% and he may be distracted, especially as his contract winds down.
Jon Cox
4   Posted 21/08/2010 at 14:59:11

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Here's the way it should work. If a player thinks he's bigger than the club with a year left on his contract and is causing a major hassle then let him play for that last year in the reserves. Then lets see how many clubs come in for him.

No matter what, players must be educated that they are never bigger than the club who pays their (note not "there") wages.

If Pienaar thinks he's bigger than the club then let him go now.

Nobody is indespensible.

That said, Steven, you are in a great football club and a great family situation. You will no doubt end up a multi-millionaire with this club and have massive friends in numbers that you will be able to count on at least one hand. This is true for everyone and not just you as a footballer.

You want Spain you want Italy, then fine go fo it., You go but we will still be here, shouting chanting sweating blood for our team.

The choice is yours pal.
Tom Bowers
5   Posted 21/08/2010 at 17:20:20

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Pienaar is a tireless worker but fails to make impact going forward. Always turns inside and draws fouls but usually in midfield areas. He doesn't possess good speed. Stronger than Osman but not as good as Arteta. Worth a little more than £6 million and Everton should consider a better offer if it comes in.
Jay Harris
6   Posted 21/08/2010 at 20:41:37

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Just wanted to point out that Arteta would not accept 55,000 a week and he had 2 years to run on his contract.

Sorry to be patronising but at 4 million a year thats A million a year more then Pienaar has been offered.

The whole structure of player's pay and agents fees needs to be looked at by FIFA before a number of clubs go to the wall.
Simon Watts
7   Posted 21/08/2010 at 21:46:06

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Man City have really made things worse in the premiership. Players know they can double their wages, and can use that as a bargaining tool. As soon as Man City are interested, they can renegotiate their contract, and stay with their current club. I am beginning to get really fed up with football, as it is becoming more and more about greed, agents and pampered egos. Pienaar was going on about Evertons history, and how he never wanted to leave. he the goes on about whats fair. 55k a week is almost 15 million in 5 years. Thats a lot of money. The extra he is after, most is taken in tax and agents fees.
Tony J Williams
8   Posted 21/08/2010 at 23:08:31

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If he wants what's fair, then he should be paying us after that twat of a performance today.
Roberto Birquet
9   Posted 21/08/2010 at 23:10:11

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Brian FSW Williams
holding onto a player who refuses to sign a reported 60K a week is a massive gamble for a club of our limited wealth. It's not one a serious money-watching business should take.


Jon Cox

Here's the way it should work. If a player thinks he's bigger than the club with a year left on his contract ... let him play for that last year in the reserves.
Sould, but won't.
Unforutnately such grand gestures are costly. The £6-10 million we could get for him plus the what £3-4 million we would still pay him in wages. As the original poster says: cut, nose, face. Millions of reasons not to do that.

We should sell him. I see no likliehood in him signing. And before someone comes in with "there's no offers", you may think we'd get no offers for him, I don't. And we should use the money to get Donovan. He would need no bedding in time; And he wants to be here. And as he can play as striker, that would sometime be useful, too., if today is anmything to go by.
Tony J Williams
10   Posted 21/08/2010 at 23:29:37

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I would be good to sell him but who will pay decent money for him? He has less than a year left and basically shown himself up for a greedy bastard....not exactly a great but is he?
Simon Watts
11   Posted 21/08/2010 at 23:25:59

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Thing is he knows if he gets on a free, then he can command bigger wage, get a signing on fee, and his new club are happy because they dont have to pay millions for him. He is happy, his agent is happy, and the new club are happy as no risk and no real outlay. They can not play him and still sell him for millions so is totally free. He is taking the p really,. You have to hate people like him and Gosling, who abuse and back stab the people who made them who they were.
Tony J Williams
12   Posted 21/08/2010 at 23:39:55

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But Simon who is going to stump up massive wages for a 29 year old that so far has looked shite?
Simon Watts
13   Posted 22/08/2010 at 04:49:03

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I think you are right. He is out of form. He is playing shite. That is his own doing really. I still think though, any club will be able to take him on and sell him in a year for £6M on the back of performances last year. His career will be down but he will be happy and his agent will have made his 10 bob.

For someone who claims they are deeply religious, I am surprised at Pienaar. His greed is terrible. Although he will never have to work again, unlike most of us, I really think he values greed above his friends, and the people who pay a lot of money to follow the club.

Mike Elbey
14   Posted 22/08/2010 at 11:12:37

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Whilst its against all principles it makes no sence for the club to let him run his contract down. We should either sell or, in my opinion, offer him a little more.

If you look at it from a pure financial viewpoint - lets say an extra 10k a week would be accepted by the player over a 5 year deal. Thats an extra 2.5m over the 5 years. If we allow him to go on a free how much would a replacement cost ? In todays market significantly more !!

Whilst it goes against my better judgement, from a business prespective offering him more money is a no brainer .......
Anthony Hughes
15   Posted 22/08/2010 at 12:18:23

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I can see what's going to happen here,5 mins to go to the transfer deadline,Pienaar sold to whoever for,6,7,8million or whatever, leaving us no time to buy a replacement and a nice chunk of money sat in the bank which will strangely disappear come January.
Joseph Strumm
16   Posted 22/08/2010 at 13:09:25

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I think Pienaar intends to see out his final year and leave on a free,he looks to me like hes got knee and/or back problems,he played well last season when asked to run the game while Artetea was out but the last 6 or 7 games looked burnt out and started to put too many passes astray and kept falling over and whinging to refs,theres no way he should be given a 5 year deal,if we can get 7million+ i'd offload him and throw the cash at N'Zogbia.

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