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Lost in the disappointment of Sunday?s defeat and the crazy twittering of Transfer Dead Donkey Dday was something that caught my eye last Thursday or Friday?. It was officially announced that Jack Rodwell would play against Villa on Sunday.

How very strange... as Moyesie rarely gives anything away before the mandatory 30 minutes prior to kick off comes around. Now why would he do that???

Maybe it was to let Mr Capello know that he would be playing and it was worth coming along to watch? Maybe it was to keep young Jack happy before he got his head turned by offers from the Man Utd Godfather? Maybe ?maybe ?maybe?answers on a postcard?

Then, true to form, Moyes plays a master stroke and plays him out of position with more accustomed wide players Bily and maybe Ossie on the bench Poor Jack has a bit of a ?mare ? everyone knows his only position is in a central area ? but who are you going to move to let him play there? Jags, Fellaini, or John H ...when DM decides to play our best defender rather than leave him on the bench for the whole game?

Am I imagining all of this or does anyone else have a read on this strange happening or am I bored already???
David Cooper, Mississauga, Ontario, canada     Posted 01/09/2010 at 00:04:20

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Michael Kenrick
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1   Posted 01/09/2010 at 02:43:09

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I thought from the title this was another transfer window retrospective... but thankfully not. And we do need some other thimgs to talk about for the next 10 days... So why not this?

However... I haven't a clue. Over to you...
Keith Slinger
2   Posted 01/09/2010 at 07:57:17

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David, I think you are bored!
Steve Sweeney
3   Posted 01/09/2010 at 08:11:10

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This is so Typical of our great red haired one, when he has a full squad his true personality comes thro.

"What's that?" you may ask, well I am afraid Davey boy is being shown up for what he is. He still dithers, he just cannot make up his mind what is his best formation and as usual plays people out of position.

How many years did it take him to start Arteta in central midfield, also we still have no pace in the team.

The next Man U manager? I think not.

Ped Pearl
4   Posted 01/09/2010 at 08:37:19

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In my opinion Moyes schooled Arteta and made him prove he had the strength for the middle before playing him there. Ask Fergie why he played Rooney out of position on the left?

In the case of the Villa game, you play Jack in the middle for the sake of who? Fellaini or Arteta? The only option would be to move Arteta back on the right... and that's just wrong, isnt is Steve??
Dave Whitwell
5   Posted 01/09/2010 at 09:08:12

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For me, it's Rodwell or Cahill, that's where he will end up. Personally I think Rodwell has more to his game and Cahill could become our super sub or even use him as the centre forward.

One other thing when the hell is he going to try the Jags/Johnny partnership, I can't stand Distin, that guys makes more mistakes in 10 minutes than Coleman makes in a whole game, but still plays every week!
Steve Abraham
6   Posted 01/09/2010 at 09:13:55

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You'd think that Jags and Johnny would be first choice centre backs. Maybe Moyes doesn't play them together because thay are both right sided players and he wants some balance. (Is Distin left footed?).

Re Rodwell. The three top teams in the country want him and most of the time he can't get a starting place in our team. I like Moyes but I don't understand his reluctance to play him and Coleman. Two young, hungry, exiting players. We have enough experience in the rest of the team to look out for them, when or if necessary
John Barnes
7   Posted 01/09/2010 at 09:52:24

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Why does everyone on here thinks Jagielka has to play and it's either/ or beside him? He's back to the poor standard when he first came to us and has really only had half a good season only. Distin isnt much better to be frank so the two of them ahead of Heitinga is just crazy.

And by the same token why would playing Rodwell in the middle necessitate moving Arteta wide right? why cant he be left out if he's not playing to form?< p>Like everyone else, I'm pissed off with Moyes playing his favourites anywhere just to get them on the park.

Ray Robinson
8   Posted 01/09/2010 at 10:21:30

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Yes, John - it will be interesting to see what happens when Neville is available again!
Matthew Mackey
9   Posted 01/09/2010 at 10:34:53

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Re the Villa game, two points to note:

(1) WTF does Davey our so called Moysiah play our best young prospect out wide on the right? Young Jack is NOT a wide right player but Bily is so why not play him?

(2) Fallaini was a complete donkey and fukin useless (ask tiger Tim re takin the ball off his head for a certain headed equalizer). Why not play Jack in a defensive midfield role (his best role) where the donkey played last weekend.

I simply don't understand our beloved leaders logic at times. Surely it's as simple as;- PLAY YOUR BEST PLAYERS IN THEIR BEST POSITIONS !!!!!

It's not rocket science Davey! Get a grip for fuck sake.

Matthew Mackey
10   Posted 01/09/2010 at 10:44:34

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It's almost as if Moyes needs to have a crippling injury list to justify his team selection at times.
With no crippling injury list and vertually a whole squad to pick from it seems to confuse him!
Tony J Williams
11   Posted 01/09/2010 at 11:21:46

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Are you seriously calling Fellaini a donkey Matthew? deary me!

The problem with Rodwell is that he is in a position where the two before him are two of our better players, Fellaini and Arteta.

Drop Arteta for Rodwell?, I have heard it all now. Rodwell is not a playmaker by any long stretch of the imagination and Felliaini is at this time a better defensive midfielder than him.

Watching Jack, I still have the feeling that he has a lot to learn but it's the usual story with us fans making the players out to be superstars when the reality is much different. The word potential is still mentioned with Jack and I hope he gets to fulfill it with us, but he is not good enough at the moment to replace Fellaini and neither is Coleman good enough at right back, his position, to replace Hibbert or Neville. Definitely worth a pop on the wing but it's different actually running at defender than overlapping the winger to get a return pass.
Danny Burke
12   Posted 01/09/2010 at 10:49:56

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Where to start,
"How many years did it take him to start Arteta in central midfield."
Mikel was a CM when he signed but at first didn't do much, Moysie put him on the wings for a while where he won player of the season twice, then when he was ready he brought him back into the middle where he is now our most important player.

"I can't stand Distin, that guys makes more mistakes in 10 minutes than Coleman makes in a whole game, but still plays every week! "

Im not Distins biggest fan but he was one of the best players on the pitch on Sunday.

"2) Fallaini was a complete donkey and fukin useless (ask tiger Tim ref takin the ball off his head for a certain headed equalizer). Why not play Jack in a defensive midfield role (his best role) where the donkey played last weekend."

Fellaini was outstanding on Sunday, fair enough he mad a mistake for the goal, but he along with Arteta were for the most part responsible for our 67% of possesion (yes 67%) against a good PL team. He consatntly won teh ball back and kept possesion well. He had every right to go for that header, he is good in the air, probably should have left it to Tim though.

As for Rodwell, I would not have played him on the right, he is clearly better in the middle, but who should play on the right, someone has to. Peoples thoughts are well known on Ossie out there, people are also split on Bily and Anichebe. Coleman? Could well be the answer, he has played in the last two games so he is starting to come through now. I don't believe he could have started at RB though, against experienced and talented playes plike Young and Downing he could have been exposed. When he came on he did go wide right through ahead of Hibbert and did well.
Chris Hannon
13   Posted 01/09/2010 at 12:26:25

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Surely if you want to be on the pitch week-in, week-out if you get a chance to cement a place, whether it be right midfield or left back, you would give your all and make sure you play well!

Why can't Rodwell play wide? He has pace, good technique, a good first touch, an eye for goal and I think he could do a better job than Bily no-show or Osman till Anichebe is fit or until maybe Donovan returns! He may be our best young talent coming through or the country's bray but he isn't good enough to be in Arteta's place, not good enough in the air, not strong enough or as good of a player as Fellaini! And especially If Heitinga and Jagielka are to play together!

Andy Callan
14   Posted 01/09/2010 at 12:50:10

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If Rodwell was any good he'd be in the team and playing regularly.

FFS I dunno what you all see in him me. He'd better start producing or we're better off rid in my opinion.

Mind you in his defence, he was out of position when he was shite on Sunday.....

As for that twat Fellaini - fuck me he's a fuckin' liability him. Utter shite.
Anthony Hughes
15   Posted 01/09/2010 at 12:56:40

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Get your flak jacket on Andy...
Jimmy Hacking
16   Posted 01/09/2010 at 13:16:09

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Over the last month or so there have been quite a few letters/ comments on here along the lines of how Rodwell is developing into a right stroppy get who is at loggerheads with Moyes. I have seen no REAL evidence of this, In every interview I've seen or read either with or regarding the lad he comes across to me as a genuinely mature, decent young player.

I think some people WANT there to be negatives, just so they can moan... stop reading between the bloody lines all the time.
Gary Hegarty
17   Posted 01/09/2010 at 13:25:57

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What??? Evertonians finding the cloud on every silver lining??? Never......
John Daley
18   Posted 01/09/2010 at 13:46:40

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So Fellaini is "a complete donkey" and "a fucking liability" ? Now that Is what I call "utter shite".
Matthew Mackey
19   Posted 01/09/2010 at 14:18:24

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John (#17) and Tony (#11);- In the Villa game, Fellaini was a donkey AND a "fucking liability". How else did the Villa score that goal after Fallaini's attempted clearance that was no more than an air shot? Also, many of his passes went astray and didn't reach their intended target. In short - he didn't have one of his better games did he!

Fellaini was exceptionally good last season before he ran into that Greek bloke, but this season so far, he has not done the business to the same level. Combine that with the fact that Rodwell was playing completely out of position, then is it any wonder that some of us are saying that Rodwell should have started in the centre as a defensive midfielder with Mikel orchestrating things in front of him.

Finally, someone else commented that maybe we want negatives so that some of us can moan. Please tell me how a return of just 1 point from a possible nine doesn't warrant some kind of negative reaction? Even this time last season after three games we had three points!
Brendan O'Doherty
20   Posted 01/09/2010 at 14:32:23

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Matthew (#9)

"Young Jack is NOT a wide right player but Bily is so why not play him?"

Bily is no more a wide player than Osman is a goalkeeper.

And he is still miles off the pace of the PL.
Matthew Mackey
21   Posted 01/09/2010 at 14:40:26

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Brendan;- What position would you play Billy if you were the manager? Wasn't he brought to do a job on the right side of midfield? OK, being on the right doesn't necessarily mean "wide" right, but lets not split hairs here.
Also, wouldn't he get to pace with the PL if he played morer often?

I seem to recall that last season it was Billy and Rodwell who punished the Mancs at home with some clinical finishing. I wonder if Mr Moyes will play them this time. (and in their best/preferred positions)
John Daley
22   Posted 01/09/2010 at 14:46:45

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It does merit a negative reaction Matthew, just not a fucking ridiculous one. Yes Fellaini slipped and missed the ball but Pienaar and Distin were more culpable as they could have prevented the goal if they had bothered tracking the runs made by the Villa players instead of just standing there like statues. Fellaini was actually one of our better performers on Sunday, and nowhere near the worst.
Anthony Hughes
23   Posted 01/09/2010 at 14:54:07

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Agree Brendan, Bily does not look comfortable when played wide. He has undoubted technical ability but doesn't seem able to apply this or impose himself in the hustle & bustle of our league. "Horses for courses" is the saying and I think Bily would be best suited in Italy or Spain.

Joseph Hand
24   Posted 01/09/2010 at 16:03:30

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It should be Bily on the right all day long. He may be off the pace and he may not be a natural winger but despite all of that he is still the best option we have for that position. He is a better option than Ossie and definitely a better option than a central midfielder like Rodwell.

In my opinion, Rodwell is not good enough to take Arteta's place; however, he is definitely good enough to take Cahill's place. And I think Rodwell and Fellaini are on the same par regarding the holding midfield position. They are both class and, seeing as Fellaini cost us 3 points on Sunday, then Jack should be given the chance to start against Utd instead of Fellani.

Jon Daley #22 ? I can't believe you are blaming Pienaar and Distin for not tracking the runs and standing like statues when that is exactly what Fellaini did. Watch the replay again and you will see Fellaini miss the ball like a donkey and then stand still whilst watching two players run past him while probably saying something in his head to himself like ''Oh, there goes two players running towards our goal... maybe i should run after them... naa, fuck it, I can't be arsed.''
Brendan O'Doherty
25   Posted 01/09/2010 at 19:36:49

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Matthew (#21) Brendan;- What position would you play Billy if you were the manager? Wasn't he brought to do a job on the right side of midfield?

Maybe my memory is going Matthew, but I was sure he was brought in to principally play on the left-hand side of the pitch, him being left-footed and all that.

But to answer your question, a) he would not get in my starting line-up at the moment, and b) when he did start he would play an advanced attacking role, possibly in the 'hole', as he definitely possesses a goal threat.

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