When Everton signed Distin I always wondered what Moyes's reason's were. He was 32 years old at the time and hardly a defender whom could give us guaranteed quality in the centre back position. In Moyes I trust so I presumed he knew something which I didn't about Distin so I eagerly anticipated seeing him in an Everton shirt.
After the Lescott drama I understood we were short at the back and us being Everton we never exactly have had the biggest of squads so to bring in Distin at the time was probably a decent decision. Lescott was a good defender for us, make no mistake about it. Everytime I watched Lescott, although sloppy at times, he always got the job done. He was pacey, aware, and even got us a few goals. We made a small fortune off him and brought in Distin. But why? For cover? Surely £5 million is too much money for a covering player. No, now I understand... it was to actually play this man, week-in, week-out, and make him an important first team member of our squad.
Now the question I put to you all is simple; why does Moyes continue to play Distin? Last season when he signed for us he played really well in his first few games which made everyone think he was an adequate if not better replacement than Lescott. Oh how wrong we all were. Surely it's time Distin is dropped from the first team for good. He is costing us goals and points and to me he seems like a player who doesn't care about Everton, he is there just to pick up his pay cheque at the end of each week.
Look at the goals he has cost us so far. I blame him for all 3 against Manchester United at the weekend. Poor positioning and pace for the first goal. Awful positioning for the second goal. And finally awful reading of the game, touch and pace for the third goal. Forgive me if I'm wrong but, against Wolves at Goodison, Distin ran towards the ball, totally out of position which allowed Ebanks-Blake to be unmarked at the back post. Ok you might think I'm making Distin somewhat of a scapegoat but you have got to remember he has sold us goals in the past, most notably against Sporting Lisbon were he couldn't control a back pass then made a red card challenge.
What amazes me is that we have a really good defender in Jags and he is being paired up with Distin every week. As Everton fans, I think we all try to justify Moyes's reasons for not playing the players whom we think should be part of the starting eleven, Coleman, Rodwell etc. But I can't justify Distin playing football for Everton FC any longer. Jags and Johnny should be the center back partnership and Moyes should play them now and let them get used to each other before its too late for us. Distin is only going to cost us more goals in the future.
What amazes me is that we have just let Yobo go out on loan when in my opinion Yobo is as good as if not better than Distin. I hate to say it but £5 million for Distin is now looking like daylight robbery and, unless he is dropped as soon as possible, Everton are going to concede goal after goal after goal.
Graeme Beresford, Posted 13/09/2010 at 01:25:51
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1 Posted 13/09/2010 at 15:17:26
The only reason I can think of as to why Distin gets in at CB instead of Heitinga is perhaps because Moyes wants some height at the back; Jags and Heitinga is a relatively short Centre back pairing. Still, I don't think this is a good enough reason and I'd much rather see Heitinga in.
2 Posted 13/09/2010 at 15:22:07
Distin is a liability and Yobo for all the abuse he gets on here would not have performed as badly as Distin did on Saturday.
The way forward is to keep Heitinga and Jagielka there now for as much as possible and to try and build a partnership.
How Distin is first choice I have no idea. Moyes got out of jail with some terrible tactics on Saturday.
Fellaini is no forward and that experiment has to end. Play him in his natural position for fucks sake and put Heitinga back at CB where he reached a World cup final playing.
Play a Striker! Yakubu Should be given a chance now as we were totally toothless with no one up there until he came on.
3 Posted 13/09/2010 at 14:53:26
I really rated him at Pompey and previously at Man City. Aesthetically, a perfect centre half but legs shot, and considering this club pleads poverty, I find it abhorrent we paid this much money for a player his age.
Painfully slow on the turn, decision making suspect, and I never thought he was that passionate about this club. Moreover, just a way out of Pompey for him to stay on high wages....
4 Posted 13/09/2010 at 15:29:36
5 Posted 13/09/2010 at 15:51:40
6 Posted 13/09/2010 at 15:53:45
The problem with a Heitinga and Jags combination, neither of whom have performed to their full capability this season incidentally, is, as you've already identified, lack of height and physicality. Sorry, but in the PL it still does matter when you've got teams like Stoke and Wolves launching the ball forward at every opportunity and big buggers like Carew and Carroll knocking about. Even Berbatov was regularly outjumping Jags on Saturday.
So you may not like him but you're lumped with him for the time being. Agree with the comments on Yobo though - the loan/sale deal made no sense at all, other than to free up a wage.
7 Posted 13/09/2010 at 16:13:08
8 Posted 13/09/2010 at 16:25:21
Playing Johnny at CB would also allow us to play Fellaini in his best position - which is the holding role.
I also suggest giving Coleman a run out as the right winger against Newcastle - if it doesnt work then we can bring him off again...simples!!
9 Posted 13/09/2010 at 16:33:37
£5m is pretty much the minimum fee to pay in the prem for anyone who isnt untried or a donkey and when we got him aged 31 he probably had 3-4 more years in the tank (injurys exepted) so no problem there.
He's 6' 3" which makes him the only center half at the club you'd fancy marking Carew, Carrol, zigic, Drogba, Crouch etc. Jags and Jonny just arent tall enough and in the english league you need a center half who can dominate in the air. Which is probably why he plays every week.
The lad had a mare against united and has to take the blame for his perfomance. But players have off days and he was facing a £30m striker. Most of the time hes big strong and reliable and has put in some great performances for us, for which he deserves lots of credit and on ballence I think your being a little unfair to him.
10 Posted 13/09/2010 at 16:26:38
Distin was useless on sat. He'll never be great but the slight consolation is he isn't normally that bad. Also it was Baines' reluctance to close Nani down that led to two of their goals and he did (or didn't?) do exactly the same thing with Valencia last year. Loathe to criticise him given he set up both of our late goals and offers a lot going forward, but you can't give united that much space to pick out passes.
11 Posted 13/09/2010 at 17:10:43
The real reason though is the same reason why Money Citeh were so keen on John Terry / Joleon Lescott and not the likes of Jagielka - left footed, therefore left sided centre backs.
If someone is defending on their wrong foot, they will automatically push an attacker inside and show more of the goal as opposed to standing and pushing wide hopefully blocking a cross (take note Leighton).
I honestly believe that it's this need for balance that puts Distin in the side ahead of a right footed double act of Jags and Heitinga - or indeed Yobo.
However, it's worth noting that Jags fantastic England performance was as a left side centre back in the absence of Terry and whilst he played well, Capello then brought in Lescott to provide the balance of "correct foot defending".
Look it up, it's part of the UEFA Coaching badge!!!
Anyway - against the lesser lights of the league it's worth trialling to see how the pair of them get on and if Jags can manage on the left side as he is a better talker and cajoles the team - as is Jonny so they could work it amongst themselves and support those around them.
Got to be worth a go?
12 Posted 13/09/2010 at 17:03:37
Its obvious that Moyesy as got him in the side for his height and physicality but when he ball watches like he does and goes out of position and leaves markers, then were in trouble.
For me, Jags and Heitinga should be are CB pairing and have Felli in front of them and let him challenge airially (sp) from goal kicks or deep FK's, Jags and Heitinga arent the biggest but they dont shirk a physical battle and there reading of things like crosses and high balls and leap of the ground make up for there lack of height IMO.
Ive said for a while that Jags and Johnny should be at the back and let Jags do what he's good at, getting blocks in, heading away, good at one on ones and let Heitinga be the distributing CB which he's so good at, cos at the mo it looks like Jags is doing that job and he's doing it badly, giving the ball away alot, we should just let Jags get on with what he's capable of and have Johnny pinging the ball about like he's good at..
One last thing, i dont totally agree with you that Distin is only here for the money and doesnt care about the club, fair enough he might not love Everton like we all do but i doubt he's only here for the pay day.
13 Posted 13/09/2010 at 17:46:27
14 Posted 13/09/2010 at 18:04:45
Distin is like a lot of ?athletic? centre-backs in that he has got away with a lack of understanding and vision because of his size and (formerly his) pace.
The fact is his reading of the game is non-existent, he was at fault for all three goals and was to blame against Villa (I will check Wolves but suspect he was involved somehow).
Moyes will be livid with him when he analyzes the tapes (if he?s not he?s not the man I thought he was!) and I?m certain he won?t be in the starting line-up against Newcastle however I understand that Heitinga was given assurances that he would play in his ?preferred position? when he signed for Everton (did anyone else hear that?) ? just which position that is I can?t be sure but judging by the fact that he is in midfield, and Distin is anywhere near the team, I?m guessing it ain?t centre-half!!
The only solution I can see with Distin, is to ship him off on a part-ex to Newcastle for Steven Taylor or Stoke for one of their plethora of centre-backs, perhaps they can find a home for him at left-back, otherwise he?ll see out his career on and off the bench and cost us another transfer fee. Pity because, in this world of automaton footballers he seems to be someone who doesn?t take himself too seriously and has a sense of humour ? shame he doesn?t take his responsibilities a bit more seriously.
15 Posted 13/09/2010 at 18:11:20
I've always thought Jags and Johnny would be a good partnership except against teams that didn't have a big man up front. Distin could be deployed against teams who are better in the air. Under most circumstances, I don't think the lack of height in the Jags Johnny partnership would be a problem as Fellaini plays a holding midfield role.
I don't think Distin is as bad as some of the comments have made him out to be. As I said before, he definitely had a stinker on Saturday but that's not the normal Distin. When it comes down to it though, Heitinga is a better all around player week in, week out.
16 Posted 13/09/2010 at 18:53:07
He is ALWAYS likely to give away at least 5 goals a season.Asking why we wasted £5 million on him is another question. AT THE TIME,we had been fucked over by Lescott and were left a day or two before the transfer deadline to sign a centre back. With Portsmouth in financial trouble and nobody else available I believe Moyes had no other option to sign Distin. He also said he didn't want to pay that money at the time but what else could he have done?
As well as people clamouring for Yobo to stay instead of Distin,some people must be blind! We've had 8 years of Joey's poor defensive 'play'. Yep,he's got pace to recover,blah blah blah....but his concentration levels are on par with Distins. Plus he'd rather of played for Nigeria instead of playing against Benfica last season and for that alone he should've been fucked off.
17 Posted 13/09/2010 at 18:55:00
Yes, I wish we had won but a draw with such a dramatic ending, I would have taken in a heartbeat.
18 Posted 13/09/2010 at 19:09:19
I do agree that Distin didn't need to make the lunging challenges against Berbatov @ the weekend which led to all thee goals (the corner which led to the second goal was after a break down the left..left by Baines).
Distin seems to play better with Neville in the team, while Neville is great at passing, he does offer a better defensive cover!!
Moyes signed him because he has experience, pace and as a left footed player can sit along side Jags
19 Posted 13/09/2010 at 19:57:56
Saturday was a freak display and it would be unfair to judge him on that alone. For me Distin is a strong, fast able defender who we will have no choice but to play against some of the more physical teams. However he is suspect in his reading of the game and as such should not be starting against the more footballing sides...as demonstrated this weekend!
Why we didn't get Dunne for that £5m i don't know!!
20 Posted 13/09/2010 at 21:11:09
Many idolise the said player and also it has been commented that quite possibly our best player plays in the position the above player plays in leading to some duplication.
So, not that i know or can guess, but Jack for CB with JH ?
21 Posted 13/09/2010 at 20:56:29
If you really looked at the World Cup in detail Heitinga repeatedly is dragged away off the back 4 line and left a humongous gap ? the better players "Robinho" took adavantage and scored. Even Cameroon had 2 or 3 glorious chances in the gap and never took them.
I don't know where Heitinga plays at the moment. He was far too deep on Saturday and really didn't play as a defensive midfielder , more of a 3rd Centre back too deep to help Arteta, too deep to start the attacking play and actually didn't help with Utd's opener.
22 Posted 13/09/2010 at 21:37:54
Distin had a stinker on Saturday but last season I thought he was great and kept Yobo out the team. I won't be judging him on that perfornance.
23 Posted 13/09/2010 at 22:03:37
What about Jags and Villa?
24 Posted 13/09/2010 at 22:53:28
For the life of me I dont know why we didnt get Richard Dunne back at the same price as Distin at the time.
I know who I'd consider a proper Centre Half of those two.
Anyway any team with top 4 aspiration needs more than 3 experienced Centre backs so while I know why Yobo went it still doesnt explain why we didnt have a replacement lined up unless Moyes is going top drawer in January.
For those who suggest Jack Rodwell could play there you obviously havent seen him play there. He is about 10 years off being able to play in the back 4.
25 Posted 14/09/2010 at 00:47:12
26 Posted 14/09/2010 at 00:48:49
He seemed to be written off as soon as he signed. Not only did he fill in the the oh so obvious gap at the back, but his distribution play and decisiveness was paramount to getting some stability back into the first part of last season.
In the end we made a small profit off him, though as the main point of the thread, it's nothing compared the 5m wasted on Distin
27 Posted 14/09/2010 at 01:23:20
28 Posted 14/09/2010 at 06:04:04
Berbatov gets called lazy because of his lacksedaze playing style, but I imagine that he's deceptively pacey... Certainly we know Distin is quick - but the 3rd goal looked like slow motion (perhaps that was car crash slow mo, or just that at that time Man U were pulling us out of position all over the place at the back).
I hope Distin comes back from this dip and to me he's always looked less "Titus Bramble" than Yobo.
In the meantime, would Heitinger and Jag's match the height of Newcastle's man of the moment - you'd like to think so.
29 Posted 14/09/2010 at 06:29:06
30 Posted 14/09/2010 at 06:36:52
Fast forward a couple of seasons and the real difference has been that whilst Neville has not really featured, for me Jagielka is still nowhere near the player he was (I do feel he will regain it); he is prone to the same lapses in concentration that both Yobo and Distin suffer and his distribution from the back is quite often poor including passing the ball directly to the opposition.
As for Distin, he had a shocker on Saturday without a doubt; whilst not being a particular fan of his, I have not considered his purchase to be a disaster as he has played well on occassions. For my money Hetinga is the best CB of the 3.
I, like Mitchell (#26) and James (#27) thought that for some reason Lucas Neill was disposed of too quickly. If you could say one thing about him, and I thought he had a couple of seasons left in him, he was composed and a good distibutor from the back, not particularly interested in the long range ball forward that both Jags and Distin seem to like to no real effect.
31 Posted 14/09/2010 at 07:10:15
It's very interesting at how Yobo is being praised by some and also Lucas Neil. Yet I can remember reading some pretty harsh comments in these "pages" about both of these players last season.
There are certain players that at times appear to be "immune" from any criticism. We conceded 3 goals on Saturday - not just because one of our defenders had a bad game.
And as regards having a nightmare, in the opening game of the season Tim Howard made one of the "goalkeeping howlers" of the season. It was not just a goal gifted to Blackburn ? it was a goal gift wrapped with decorative paper and a matching label. Yet look at how he performed on Saturday ? he was brilliant. Yet I am sure that there were some Evertonians calling for him to be dropped after the opening game.
I was 8 during our Cup winning season of 1965-66. I remember the Cup replay v Man City ? it was one of the first midweek matches my Dad let me attend. It was the night the Cup run nearly ended, courtesy of a Brian Labone header that looked to be heading into his own net ? thanks to a brilliant bit of goalkeeping from Gordon West, it didn't ? and the rest as they say is history.
Even "legends" make mistakes; Distin isn't as good as Labby... but he is certainly not as bad as some of you are making out. As somebody once said, to err is human. And anyone playing alongside Leighton Baines on the left side of our defence has my sympathy; perhaps Bainesy should be told his primary role is to defend. I am thinking of changing my name to Leighton Baines; it seems a name that's immune to criticism.
32 Posted 14/09/2010 at 09:54:15
33 Posted 14/09/2010 at 12:39:53
I think Distin tries to play it out of defence more than Jags does. For the Yobo lovers you could always guarantee at least once in a game when his concentration would wander and he would put himself in a difficult position. You could go through the whole game and pick faults with every players performance but also positives so lets start looking at the postives and build on them. FFS at 89 mins we would have all taken the point.
34 Posted 14/09/2010 at 12:41:51
35 Posted 14/09/2010 at 13:32:46
36 Posted 14/09/2010 at 13:53:07
One thing that has me scratching my head is the love for Heitinga among the Everton fans. He is a decent passer of the ball and looks comfortable with it at his feet but he is very slow and from what I?ve seen not a very good defender. He rarely tracks his man, is not strong in the air and gets turned far too easily. He has the image of maybe a hard man but again I?m not sure, he had the chance on Saturday a few times to get in a good solid tackle to stop the opposition but didn?t (I?m thinking Fletcher coming down the right wing in the first half). He then got booked for the silliest foul I?ve seen this season to the cheers of the home crowd. Against Wolves he ducked out of the tackle on the half way line and proceeded to feign injury (I don?t think he got touched?) as they went through an scored. I can remember thinking if that was one of our lets say less popular players they would have been slaughtered.
Is it just the fact there is such little faith in Distin, which is understandable after Saturday that there is such a big push for Heitinga? I do regard him as a decent player and would like to see the Jags/Heitinga partnership in action for the fact that we would play the ball out of the back a lot more but I wouldn?t expect any dramatic improvement defensively.
37 Posted 15/09/2010 at 02:37:35
38 Posted 17/09/2010 at 14:33:39
Now we choose to let Yobo go and now we are linked with a Watford reject...
Come on Everton. We have a strong squad. Let's use them and also give the youngsters a chance if necessary.
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