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Vaughan: Not so positive thinking

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So... we find ourselves in a striking crisis ? Saha and Anichebe are injured, while Yakubu is far from match fit. Meanwhile, Beckford is so far struggling to adapt to top flight life ? albeit 3 games in. So who's left?

James Vaughan... So what does David Moyes do? He sends the pissing lad out on load.

And what happens in turn? A hat-trick!

Oh what wonderful thinking from Davey!

'No forwards so I will dump one and look now at my judgement'. Sometimes I worry about the bloke's sanity when he makes such a ridiculous decision.

And why has Beckford been binned already? I mean for Pete's sake, the bloke hasn't had 5 minutes. Of course since he isn't a Moyes puppet i.e. Distin, Neville or Osman, then he gets crucified at the first attempt! Oh what an oh so glorious start to this season!


James Boden, Essex, England     Posted 14/09/2010 at 21:30:01

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Mike Newhouse
1   Posted 15/09/2010 at 05:37:01

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There has been a lot made of our lack of a potent strike force in recent weeks.

Now, Saha is injured again Yak is still regaining full match fitness and Beckford has to improve to take that big step up to the Premier League.

I have just been checking through the results for Palace as Vaughan is there and he has bagged 3 for them against Pompey! Now please don?t get me wrong ? I don?t think that he is the answer to our problem as I think that he is now playing at the right level (The Championship). But with a lack of options up front, so much so that we resorted to the big Fella and Tim up front for the Utd game, did we do the right thing? Probably... as, if Vaughan is ever going to make it, he needs first team competitive football ? not the odd game in the rezzies and sitting on the bench.

So... do we think that Vaughan is in the right place right now?

Larry Boner
2   Posted 15/09/2010 at 05:39:30

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Absolutely delighted to see James Vaughan score his first ever hat-trick for Crystal Palace tonight ? it could have been all 4 goals but someone pinched the ball off him when awarded a penalty.

I would like nothing more than to see this most whole hearted and committed of players to have a storming loan spell at Palace, with the luck he deserves with injuries, and him then to return to Everton, with Moyes giving him the chance of a long run in the team, something he has never had.

If Saha showed half the energy and effort that Vaughan does, he would be unstoppable. Well done, James, here's hoping there are many more where that came from.

Robert Daniels
3   Posted 15/09/2010 at 05:41:39

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After playing with no forwards at home to Manure, I wonder what Moyes must make of James Vaughan's hat-trick tonight for Palace.

Anyway, I'm sure everyone will wish him well; good luck, James, you deseve a break,

Coybs

Liam Reilly
4   Posted 15/09/2010 at 05:43:21

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JV has said that he wants to use the Palace loan to convince Moyes that he has a future at Goodison.
He's going the correct way about it by bagging 3 on his home debut. He'll now have to show some consistency in goals and games to turn Moyes head. Here's hoping, the kid deserves a break.
Lee Kidd
5   Posted 15/09/2010 at 05:53:23

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I don't think Beckford has been binned, it's just we had a game against Manchester United and Moyes decided to go for a solid team instead of gambling on a player who, let's face us, hasn't exactly blew people away yet.
Jamie Sweet
6   Posted 15/09/2010 at 05:54:07

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I'm really pleased for JV. He hasn't had an easy ride lets face it.

I find the OP a little absurd. He was loaned out to get regular first team action. He's been in our squad for 6 years now and has never had a long run in the team, fit or not. This stint at Palace could be the making of him and I think it's a good move for both parties involved. Just because he bangs in a hat trick against a poor Pompey team doesn't suddenly make him the answer to our poor attacking form!

I took the liberty of checking out a Palace fan website. They are creaming themselves over him! One very interesting comment from one of them though which I think sums the lad up.....

"Did anyone else just want to tell him to take it easy after he scored his third? There was a point where he sprinted 50 metres trying to close down three Pompey defenders. I just wanted him to be taken off and wrapped in cotton wool!"
Paul Olsen
7   Posted 15/09/2010 at 06:23:40

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Good on Vaughany, but let's face it... He's gonna be injured before September is up.
Rob Wilkinson
8   Posted 15/09/2010 at 07:24:47

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How is Yakubu 'Not exactly matchfit' ? is that your professional opinion? He played about 20 mins on sat and 90 mins for the reserves. He's ready to rock!
Michael Brien
9   Posted 15/09/2010 at 07:23:47

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Vaughan is still a young player at 21 or is it 22, with his best years still ahead of him. I get amazed and annoyed at some of the comments people make about him on TW.

Yes, he has had his injury problems ? to put it mildly ? but he has battled back. He deserves some credit at least for doing that, but he seems to get damn all from some Evertonians.

Vaughan may not be the answer to all our problems... but, as far as I am concerned, he is PART of the answer. I think Moyes's decision to loan him out is stupid, as is the loaning out of Yobo. The last two seasons, we have been decimated by injuries ? when we do get a virtual full squad available, the manager starts to loan out players!!!! Absolutely stupid.

Mike Green
10   Posted 15/09/2010 at 07:59:29

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Well done JV - if anyone deserves a day in the sun you do and last night would've been just the tonic to - touch wood - get your career up and running in anger.

Well done David Moyes for giving our 5th - yes anti-Moyes brigade - 5th choice striker the opportunity to get himself some experience at an appropriate level, get him off the wage bill and let both us and JV see how he comes on.

JV's had plenty of chances to shine given his age and despite horrendous injuries he's never taken them because he's simply not good enough (yet?)

Ask JV what he'd prefer - stay with us for the season with the chance of a couple of run out's with 10 mins to go given Moyes penchant for 4-5-1 or a full season (hopefully) playing football, which is all I'm sure he really wants to do at the moment.

A swallow doesnt make a summer - fingers crossed he stays fit and keeps banging them in for Palace.

Well done JV - and well done Moyes.
David McKitt
11   Posted 15/09/2010 at 08:27:51

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Well said Mike Green, my thoughts exactly..
Andrew Fair
12   Posted 15/09/2010 at 08:27:06

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Just an excuse to Moyes bash! Vaughan is passionate about Everton and we can all tell that, but he has done nothing for years due to injuries. By sending him out on loan if he scores goals stays fit and gets confident then we get him back in three months. A good decision made by Moyes and one that every Prem manager, in fact every manager, would have done.

As for Beckford being binned, one game on the bench isn't exactly binning him. Moyes will bring him through to the first team as he seems fit. Probably as a sub this Saturday and then starting against Brentford.

Tony J Williams
13   Posted 15/09/2010 at 08:56:28

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A bit of a knee jerl post James, however your past posts with regards to Moyes show that this is not to bigup Vaughany but to have yet another dig at Moyes.

Would you have posted anything if he had gone 10 games and not scored? Would you have said it was a mistake then? He scored a hat trick against a crap side in the Championship, whoopee! He must be the saviour of Everton.

DJ Campbell scored loads in the Championship, would you want him in your side? I think not (even though he scored a screamer on Saturday)

As usual, people react to the smallest of things, Vaughan scores a goal, he is Pele and Moyes is stupid for loaning him out, We have lost a couple of games, Moyes is crap, get rid of him.

The papers didin't usually post the league table until about 10 games in, God I wish it was still like that. Oh no we are in a relegation battle already with only 4 games played, woe is us.

The season is over 38 games, not 4 and certainly not one game against a gang of duds in the Championship.
Steve Pugh
14   Posted 15/09/2010 at 09:23:44

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All this post proves is that some people will never let Moyes be right. Over the summer it they were calling for Vaughn to be 'cleared out'. Now he should never have been allowed to leave. Luckily Moyes didn't sell the lad, he loaned him out so he is still ours. So, James Boden and co, be grateful that Moyesie didn't sell him to Palace.
James Newcombe
15   Posted 15/09/2010 at 09:30:11

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Absolutely made up for the lad, his quality has never been in doubt - but unfortunately, his fitness frequently has. Hopefully he has turned the corner now, and can begin to fulfill his huge potential. Go JV!
Paul Foster
16   Posted 15/09/2010 at 09:27:31

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The idea that Vaughan scoring a hat-trick is evidence that Moyes made a mistake is baffling!

Surely this is evidence he's done exactly the right thing? The whole point of loaning him out, after all, was to build his strength and confidence at a lower level before hopefully bringing him back into a strong, winning Everton side.

Absolutely delighted for the lad. As others have said, he deserves it after what he has been through with injuries. Let's hope he bags a hatful in the next few months and comes back the player we all know he can be.
Anthony Millington
17   Posted 15/09/2010 at 09:38:43

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Moyes seems to only give some players a chance. I mean he will give the likes of Beckford and Saha all the chances in the world but won't ever give Vaughan a start. It's obvious he could defintely do a job, has anyone seen his workrate and pace in comparison to our other strikers? He could atleast be a very effective substitute to put pressure on and provide an outlet when other players are tiring, It must be extremely frustrating and de-moralising to Vaughany and Yak to constantly see lacklustre perfomances from Beckford and Saha yet they still appear to be the two first choice strikers.
Les Green
18   Posted 15/09/2010 at 09:47:10

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Well said Mike Namesake (10)
Lee Kidd
19   Posted 15/09/2010 at 09:52:37

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Anthony Millington:

Beckford has been at the club five minutes so he's obviously being given a chance to play or he wouldn't have been bought. Saha is a proven goalscorer in the Premier League and, despite his injury problems, is probably the best striker we have. So when he's fit, he generally plays and rightly so.

It isn't about giving JV a chance - the fact of the matter is he's injured nearly all the time. So we can't rely on him - even if he bursts into the first team, scores ten in three games, he could then be crocked for six months in the blink of an eye.

That's why the loan move was a no brainer. Everton can't afford to rely on Vaughan, yet he needs to prove he can be relied on - a catch 22 if he remained at Everton, but something he can do if he's on loan at a lower level and considered an automatic first team choice.

If Vaughan injures himself again whilst at Palace, his Everton career is all but over. If he does well, he'll be welcome back at Everton. How can I be so sure? Well, look at the career of Leon Osman - serious injury, loaned out to Carlisle/Derby, key player for both clubs, back to Everton and first team regular ever since.
David Thomas
20   Posted 15/09/2010 at 09:59:38

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Paul Foster,

Enough of that common sense you are spouting. Cut it out.

I do find the original post a bit odd, on one hand James says in his opinion, "Beckford is so far struggling to adapt to top flight life" then later asks the question "And why has Beckford been binned already?"
James Boden
21   Posted 15/09/2010 at 10:29:18

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The point of this post was not being anti-Moyes ? it's called reasonably questioning a decision he made. A decision which at the time being has been a rather foolhardy one.

He knew there were striking problems so why send a lad out on loan who has a fair amount of top flight experience especially when everyone else is either injured or struggling for form. It beggers belief that he would rather play midfielders up front. Whether fit or not Vaughan has never been given a fair crack.

As for Beckford the lad while the lad has so far struggled how is he to ever improve unless he plays? And wasn't it the goals against United and Spurs that Moyes signed him on the back of?
God forbid The Moyesiah has ever made a mistake in his life for Pete's sake! That is why us so called 'Negative arses' get the bloody hump when there is an immediate outcry for having any kind of justification for questioning any decision he makes.

James Boden
22   Posted 15/09/2010 at 10:35:27

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And for the record I have previously stated on here that I am a fan of James Vaughan so no this isn't purely out of spite towards our manager.
Steve Pugh
23   Posted 15/09/2010 at 10:38:26

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It isn't a case of complaining when people question Moyes, it is a case of people campaigning for Moyes to do something, in this example get rid of Vaughan, and then complaining that he has.

Maybe you have never said that we should sell Vaughan James, but I bet others on here have.
Paul Gladwell
24   Posted 15/09/2010 at 10:49:01

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Made up for the lad, but all this shite about Moyes cocking up letting him go out is shite.
The lad has had a few chances, I will never forget Oldham in the cup at home when we thought grab your chance and he was as bad as could possibly be.
I hope he gets the games and gets back to us as there was a time when he looked the business, but the odds for that happening are slim given how prone he is to injuries.
Stephen Kenny
25   Posted 15/09/2010 at 10:50:17

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James,

I'd have given this a read if you posted it before Vaughan scored a hat-trick. Your criticism of Moyes is ridiculous, and the timing is wrong.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing, but so is foresight and Vaughan needs to play consistently and score consistently before he is worth a second look for us at the moment
Jason Lam
26   Posted 15/09/2010 at 10:50:07

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Wasn't Beckford scoring shitloads for Leeds?

JV has found his level.
David Thomas
27   Posted 15/09/2010 at 11:01:24

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James,


"As for Beckford the lad while the lad has so far struggled how is he to ever improve unless he plays?" WTF????? Beckford has been involved in 4 out of the 5 games we have played this season, starting 3 of them.
Jimmy Hacking
28   Posted 15/09/2010 at 11:04:01

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Jason Lam- bang on.

So what if JV scores 20 goals in the championship this season?

Bloody hell, lets take him back immediately! and buy Michael Chopra and Jason Scotland too while we're at it. we'll be unstoppable then!
Alan Kirwin
29   Posted 15/09/2010 at 11:56:08

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I'm with the "if anybody deserves a chance then JV does" brigade.

This kid could have been the business. He has always had skill, pace, strength & an eye for goal. But he's had outrageous luck with injuries and, such things don't only take it out on your body but on your mind.

The idea that JV has found his level is insulting to the kid. He has done it in the premier league and in Europe. It may well be that a change of scene is what he needs to refresh himself. Change is often as good as rest.

Who would I rather have leading the line, JV or Beckford? Easy, JV every time. I'm delighted for the kid. There's no pressure at Palace so it could end up perfect. But I'd still prefer him back at Goodison eventually. I have no doubt he has unfinished business in the premier league.
Colin Prendergast
30   Posted 15/09/2010 at 11:33:01

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Lets be honest, if Beckford went on loan to leeds i would back his chances of scoring a good few goals especially against a crap portsmouth team. But it's the Championship and it's inherently weaker and light years away from the Prem.

The problem I see with the strikers we have is we can't get out of them, or afford to give them, a good enough run of games. Saha / Yak due to constant injuries / lack of fitness - and Beckford or Vaughan look as though they need at least 5 games to get into the flow. Results are all important and so we end up reverting to Cahill, who does a great job for us, but we're never gonna score loads of goals with that system.

Hopefully Yak will get up to a level of fitness where we can start him soon with Tim behind him. Either that or we can try and sign Chris Iwelumo in January!
Tony J Williams
31   Posted 15/09/2010 at 12:05:04

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Alan, I agree, I would love to see Vaughan leading the line, he scares defenders. Always in their faces and willing tio actually run at them with the ball; however he has a worse injury record than Saha.

The last 3 loans he has been out on have all ended early due to injuries.

His body isn't up to what his mind is willing it to do unfortunately.
Michael Brien
32   Posted 15/09/2010 at 12:38:40

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1) I am critical of the decision to loan out both Yobo and Vaughan because given what happened in the last 2 seasons ? when we had so many players injured ? it seems illogical when we have a virtual full squad for the first time in ages to loan out anyone. We only need two or three injuries and we are almost back to square one.

2) Whoever was the manager I would be critical of the decision.

3) I don't think anyone is saying James Vaughan is our saviour ? just a very promising young player who deserves to be given a chance at Everton.

Jamie Tulacz
33   Posted 15/09/2010 at 13:30:31

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To be fair a hat-trick against a side which can barely put 11 men out at the moment.

whilst I really rate the lad, he hasn't ever had a decent run of games for us, and is unlikely to in the near future being 4th/5th choice.

The formation against United was a tactical choice (whether right or wrong) and also based on the fact that Yak wasn't quite match fit, and Beckford not quite ready to be thrown in to a game like that after 3 games for the club. Doesn't mean to say that they won't be used soon though and when Saha/Anichebe are fit again too, Vaughan is unlikely to get much of a look in at the moment.
Matt Boden
34   Posted 15/09/2010 at 13:35:10

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James, I think people have missed the point of your email. Not the fact that JV has been farmed out, for me Beckford is no better. But the fact that Moyes has his puppets, Osman, Distin, Neville, Hibbert, Although I thought Hibbert had a good game against UTD, only to be the scapegoat agin in favour of the golden child Osman. For me Coleman could have gone into Buddah's place and leave Hibbert full back. We will never amount to anythnig until Moyes bins his likely lads in favour of the best players in their best positions.
Tony J Williams
35   Posted 15/09/2010 at 13:42:30

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Matt, the lads I go the match with all agree that Hibbert has become Moyes's fall guy. the lad very rarely does anything wrong defensively yet when a change is needed he gets booted out and usually Neville goes back to right back for a more attack minded midfielder.

However the opening poster saying Beckford has been binned is just daft. The lad is just finding his way in the Premiership so I would certainly expect Moyes to play a senior, experienced player against one of, if not the best team in the league, than a League One player finding his feet.
Craig Taylor
36   Posted 15/09/2010 at 14:09:15

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Vaughan playing games, scoring goals and getting some confidence back is exactly why he has been sent out on loan.

he wouldn't have scored a hat trick against man utd
David Price
37   Posted 15/09/2010 at 17:17:25

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James, you are speaking with the beauty of hindsight. If you had done this post two weeks ago then it would be a fair call to analyse the gamble Moyes has taken when loaning JV out.

If he scores four more hat tricks in his spell with Palace, it will still be the correct decision by Moyes.
The lad needs playing time to make him a better player and therefore a better asset to Everton.
As for Beckford, first impression, i do worry on his first touch as being heavy, ala Beattie.
This skill is essential to suit our play in the way Yakubu showed in the last 15 minutes on Saturday.
Look it's a massive step up for the lad and he could've been trying to hard, when that happens you do mis-control the ball. Added to the fact we didn't look like scoring in open play for the first three games, then i'm thinking the pressure just got to him and he's had time to re-evaluate his play.
We all know Moyes is a hands on boss and the subsequent teachings will follow.
Andy Crooks
38   Posted 15/09/2010 at 17:53:39

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Tony J , do you not think there is a chance that James's injuries have come as a result of trying to prove himself in ten minute snippets. A run in the side is what any player needs. I think David Moyes does that quite often but, unfortunately, with the wrong players. To an extent being loyal to players is a brilliant quality, however , there is a time to be ruthless.
John Daley
39   Posted 15/09/2010 at 17:30:54

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I always thought Vaughan had the natural ability to be a success in the Premier League. Pace, aggression, huge workrate and enthusiasm, decent in the air, instinctive infront of goal. When he first got a run in the team, playing alongside Andy Johnson, his performances consistently put the little £8m slaphead to shame. The lad's just had unbelievable bad luck with his career thus far being continually blighted by injuries.

Remember him scoring against Bolton and then not long after getting stretchered off with blood soaking through his sock and streaming out of his boot? How many other players have you ever seen sever a fucking artery in their foot ? That was just a total freak injury. He must seriously have pissed off a gypsy in his school days or something.

If he can somehow manage to remain fully fit, avoid any further injuries and get an extended run in the team, then i would back Vaughan to outscore, and outperform, both Beckford and Anichebe in this league. Hopefully this loan spell at Crystal Palace goes better than his previous ones and the lad at least manages to make it through the 3 months unscathed.
Jon Cox
40   Posted 15/09/2010 at 18:45:21

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Well done James. Keep it going, stay fresh, score loads of goals, stay away from injury then get your arse back to Goodison.

And then we'll all be happy!
Jay Harris
41   Posted 15/09/2010 at 12:32:52

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Lets be honest on our budget the Yak is as good as it gets.

We cant afford 25-30 million world class strikers and even if we could we cant afford their wages.

We cant even afford 13 million pound average strikers like Gyan.

Beckford was a no brainer for us. A free transfer, proved he could score against Premier sides and doesnt appear to get injured too often (although I say that tongue in cheek where EFC are concerned).

Saha for his talent and ability is worth the aggravation of spending half his time in the treatment room.

I personally would love to see the Yak with Beckford and Anichebe in a 4-3-3 at home and that would surely compensate for the fact we cant keep clean sheets.
Tony J Williams
42   Posted 16/09/2010 at 12:54:41

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Not at all Andy, as I have said all his loans spells have been cut short due to injuries, when he is getting full games. So again, No his injuries have nothing to do with trying to impress Moyes.

For instance in pre-season when he dislocated his shoulder, purely bad luck.
Matt Boden
43   Posted 16/09/2010 at 13:37:36

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I give up! This is not a well wishing page for James Vaughn, read between the lines! Christ almighty!
Colin O'Keeffe
44   Posted 16/09/2010 at 14:19:00

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I've just watched James Vaughan's hat-trick for Palace in midweek. Ok, it's only against Championship opposition but they were all really well taken goals.

Vaughan has never looked out of place in an Everton shirt when fit and I'm wondering why, with our current predicament, he wasn't given a chance this season? Beckford is above him in the pecking order ? but the lad has never scored goals above the 3rd tier of the game.

I know Moyes sees our strikers every day ... but, on the evidence so far, I can't see why Vaughan isn't getting a shot at nailing a place in our 1st team.

Tony J Williams
45   Posted 16/09/2010 at 15:47:32

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Colin, probably because he has never lasted more than three games without getting injured. Let him get his match sharpness back and someone else paying a wedge of his wage than waiting to get 10 or 15 minutes here or there.

Prove himself at Palace and stay fit and I hope a new contract is given to him, I would hate to see him go elsewhere.

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