A question I find hard to answer. Maybe it's his proffessionalism that Moyes famously seems to like; maybe it's because he's not scared of a bone-crunching challenge... or maybe it's because Moyes thinks that he has as much influence on the field as off it.
I used to think that the captain was the most important player on the field ? forget about first team player, this is one of the first (if not the first) people who should be on the teamsheet, so why is our captain ? a player who should not be first choice in any of the positions he can play?
I would have Coleman at right back and from recent displays I would also put Hibbert in front of Neville, even though there is not much between them. Baines has left back nailed down dispite his average performances lately... and central defence is covered ? not that well admittedly, with Distin being constantly picked ? but what chance of Neville playing there if Moyes won't play Jags and Heitinga partly because of their height.
This only leaves defending midfielder and somewhere in the middle of midfield which, to be honest, makes me a little anxious as Neville regularly is aggressive and clumsy in that position (if I ever see another delicately needed five yard pass completely anhilihated).
As you can guess, I'm not Neville's biggest fan. It's not that I don't like him as a person, in fact, he seems quite decent, and I do believe he has genuine affection for our great club, but this does not hide the fact that he is in my opinion an average footballer who can stiffle his own team's gameplay with terrible passes and movement (especially in midfield).
At best, Neville is a squad player... yet the captain needs to be a regular first choice player, so, for this reason and others, I would hand it over permanently to Arteta. I know he has taken the captain's armband recently and maybe for all I know he is already the new permanent captain of our team.
Yet, looking at websites today, I read that Neville is fit and ready for the Newcastle game. It's strange that an announcement of the fitness and availability of our club captain can piss me off!
Richard Reeves, Posted 17/09/2010 at 01:01:58
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1 Posted 17/09/2010 at 05:17:37
But I bet when fit he IS first name on Moyes team list.
2 Posted 17/09/2010 at 05:46:27
The best 11 players don't necessarily make the best team, so if he's in a blue shirt on Saturday, I'll be cheering him on regardless.
3 Posted 17/09/2010 at 07:41:33
Is the role of a captain to be an individual genius? At times - Maradonna and Cryuff would fit that bill.
Or is the role of captain about leading by example, understanding the game and cajoling those in the team around you - more so making some noise and talking.
At the club presently I think there is only Jags that is a talker other than Neville. Mikel doesn't come across as a leader of men - fantastic player that he is! Cahill would be one obvious choice but seems to lose something from his own game when captain.
For me I agree that Neville should not be automatic first choice - nor should any player - but we have to have a leader on the pitch. Maybe DM sees that in Arteta - but you can see it clearly in Neville. Long term I think Jags will be captain - maybe even Heitinga - someone with a voice that team mates look up to. That's a captain....not just someone who can do little flicks and pick passes - otherwise Portugal would be world champions in the captain field.
4 Posted 17/09/2010 at 08:23:51
Remember the awful start last season. No Phil Neville.
Remember how the season started to pick up in November just as Phil Neville returned to the team.
Remember how Neville played in every game after Christmas and Everton enjoyed Champions League form.
This season Phil Neville has been missing and once again Everton are off to a slow start.
Its not just coincedence. Neville is a winner. It was bred into him by Sir Alex at Man Utd.
5 Posted 17/09/2010 at 08:24:42
professionalism........bone-crunching challenges.. on and off field influence...
6 Posted 17/09/2010 at 08:42:46
Neville is definitely a leader with great experience in the game and at the highest level...
He's not the greatest player but his presence on and off the pitch must contribute to the club.
7 Posted 17/09/2010 at 08:57:27
Jagielka is the closest thing to Neville and I'm suprised Moyes didn't appoint him as Neville's understudy.
8 Posted 17/09/2010 at 09:12:35
9 Posted 17/09/2010 at 09:16:27
10 Posted 17/09/2010 at 09:13:56
For the future, it?ll be between Jags and Heitinga.
11 Posted 17/09/2010 at 09:29:08
Perfect credentials really, ex Manu. Ugly fucker, Gary Nevilles brother.
12 Posted 17/09/2010 at 09:34:49
Are you basing that on his ability to organise etc ? I agree that he has certain qualities in that area.
Or are you basing it on a wider criteria ie. As a footballer and a captain ? If so, I can't agree with the footballer element. IMO Neville is a competent player and no more. There have historically been much better players who have captained Everton.
13 Posted 17/09/2010 at 09:42:57
Gosling scored against Liverpool and everyone was posting that we should be playing him down the right...
Duffy...etc.etc Coleman cant defend yet. He's similar to Glen Johnson and thats not good enough for us yet. When he plays like Ashley Cole, i'll entertain the idea of him playing regularly - at the moment, I'm with Moyes...he's not yet ready.
14 Posted 17/09/2010 at 10:17:43
No, the reason I dislike Neville is because he's a mediocre footballer and has been for about five years, combined with the fact he sums up everything wrong with Moyes' managerial style in that he can do no wrong when, in fact, he does plenty wrong.
The man is a liability on the pitch. I'm not a man who believes the captain has to be the best player on the pitch (I always respected the job Pembridge, Carsley etc. did in the blue shirt - so I'm not just a "fancy Dan" supporter). I simply believe that the captain should be a player who provides something beneficial to the team other than shouting his cock off and pointing at stuff.
Given the captain of any club is usually the first name on the teamsheet, can anyone really put their hand on heart and say Neville deserves that role based on footballing merit?
It always makes me laugh when Neville supporters start with "he's not the best footballer but..." - but? He's a footballer for Gods sake! There is no "but"!
15 Posted 17/09/2010 at 10:22:26
I woud be interested to know what the actual statistics are for our results with and without Phil Neville? Does anyone have access to this?
I have the feeling that our results are considerably better with Neville playing although I do agree with Richard that Coleman has to play now. He has simply had far too many good performances not to play and he always makes something happen.
16 Posted 17/09/2010 at 10:05:27
I like Coleman, I really do have high hopes for him, but he is not quite ready to start every week, he is getting experience now though and Moyes IS playing him. He seems to have become some kind of mythical hero though to some fans who expect him to come in and be Cafu. He almost, as Joe Royle once said, has become a legend before he became a player. Hopefully he will go on in the long term and live up to the vast expectations laid at his young tricky fearless feet.
17 Posted 17/09/2010 at 10:29:41
It says a lot about the man when other top players come out in admiration of him. Yes, he is not the most technical player but the passion and effort he puts in, added to his leadership, leave him as one of the most important players in our squad.
18 Posted 17/09/2010 at 11:35:03
Both Coleman as #1 and Hibbert as #2 is better at right back. Ok, i guess..
But, with Baines it's apparently a pretty close race?
Baines is leaps and bounds better than both Coleman and Hibbo. Average? Get serious!
As much as i like seeing Coleman play, i do rate him. I feel the majority of writers on this site excaggerate his ability.
I mean, he's good and still getting better but he's honestly not yet a world beater in any way.
19 Posted 17/09/2010 at 12:56:29
I wouldn't drop Hibbert because I think he has been decent so far, and anyway, is better than Neville. With Coleman in front of him (for those who suggest he is not a good defender), we would potentially have a great partnership.
Come on Moyes, give it a go tomorrow. Even if Coleman does spectacularly fail then simply sub him - not rocket science is it.
20 Posted 17/09/2010 at 13:01:13
Say what you want about media interpretations / asking daft questions, but that he done it for me with Neville. He simply could have refused to answer or state "no comment".
21 Posted 17/09/2010 at 13:47:01
22 Posted 17/09/2010 at 14:41:59
Neville seems to be better at screaming at the players but a leader needs to lead by walking the walk not just talking the talk, his poor tackles and sideways passing pisses me off no end. Jags or Heitinga could scream and shout just as loud and more importantly walk the walk too.
23 Posted 17/09/2010 at 15:14:56
24 Posted 17/09/2010 at 17:09:11
25 Posted 17/09/2010 at 17:49:12
26 Posted 17/09/2010 at 18:57:50
27 Posted 17/09/2010 at 19:00:54
28 Posted 17/09/2010 at 19:30:39
If he was Scottish it would be too spooky.
29 Posted 18/09/2010 at 05:07:10
I said Neville was one of the best captains ever because of his leadership qualities.That tackle against Man U, a couple of years ago, galvanised our season. I doubt if any other player making that tackle would have had the same effect.
He is about the only person in the team to demand that others raise their game ? he would do this whether he was captain or not, but by being captain he automatically carries more authority.
Maybe the word ever was a bit strong, but he is an excellent captain.
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