During the summer, there were many Evertonians, whose views I respect, who predicted great things this season. I was hopeful but, frankly cynical. I felt that I was in a minority and questioned my own views on a few occasions. After our bad start, I really thought that we had been unlucky. Saturday changed that.
The downfall of "big clubs" seems to follow a pattern. Play well and lose. An unlucky defeat here and there.
Then, it is said, as on Match of the Day, "Everton won't be down there long"...
Next comes the injury crisis: "They'll be fine when they get their players back."
After that, it's the dreaded phrase,"No-one is too good to go down."
After that, it's the nail in the coffin: "every year there's always someone you don't expect..."
Now, I really don't expect that... but I've noticed a change of mood on this site. People who I would have expected to defend the coach have gone missing. This is not a dig at them. If they are waiting for the usual Moyes turnaround before they come on and ask "crisis,what crisis?" ? well, I'll be happy to say we overreacted.
But I challenge any Evertonian (apart from Richard Dodd) to defend the selection, tactics, coaching and motivation of David Moyes. I challenge them to defend the stewardship of Bill Kenwright. If there are any convincing arguments out there, let us hear them.
I believe that every poster this weekend wants to be proved wrong. We are worried; someone please offer reassurance.
Andy Crooks, Posted 20/09/2010 at 18:34:26
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1 Posted 20/09/2010 at 19:45:55
Moyes has been here so long even people like me who always suspected his methods hoped he'd ram the criticisms down our throat, progress from the purple patch of last year with a decent squad and work the magic.
He has'nt, and the problems look self inflicted.
Its painful for him and us, but he won't change now. He must go.
2 Posted 20/09/2010 at 20:21:42
3 Posted 20/09/2010 at 20:17:37
Reassurance? Well sort of. Whatever experiments have been going on (and some of them have been pretty bloody weird) will now stop. And we will move slowly but surely up the table.
Do I like the way we are playing? Of course not. Are we about to embark on sexy football inspired by memories of the School of Science? Not a chance. It probably won?t be pretty and it isn?t what anyone wants. But we do have the core of a decent team. And when the confidence returns so will the better quality of football, the sort of stuff we were playing at the back end of last season.
What?s going on now is the reward you get for not giving the manager the £30 million he desperately needed during the close season.
4 Posted 20/09/2010 at 20:18:50
He will be questioning himself now. I believe he has earned the right to our support this season. Too many people, staff and support, seem to throw the head up before the final whistle. Satisfied. Preconceived bias manifested. Nice moan.
My own view is that Moyes needs a new assistant. Moyes can and will rekindle the team's hunger and build momentum yet again, but that is not enough.
Forget that ballbag Kenwright for now. The season has started. It's a team effort from the team, its management and support.
5 Posted 20/09/2010 at 20:38:46
6 Posted 20/09/2010 at 20:16:52
In fact, whatever happens now will not change the fact that Moyes has fucked things up so far this season and by far the majority of comments on this site are completely true and reasonable. No-one is overreacting as we have seen it all to many times before under Moyes.
I've always liked Moyes and, if anyone could be a top class manager, I would want it to be him as he is honest,respectfull and has other old fashioned qualities that you don't see too much of these days... but sadly he has not got what it takes. That much is obvious and I think even the most loyal of Moyes supporters is beginning to believe it now.
7 Posted 20/09/2010 at 20:50:31
8 Posted 20/09/2010 at 20:53:07
9 Posted 20/09/2010 at 21:13:39
10 Posted 20/09/2010 at 21:57:53
But Moyes will listen and has listened to his players when its obvious the shape, or the style of football is failing us ? remember Wigan 2 years ago when a completely useless performance and result prompted a fundamental change with Arteta coming in off the wing to orchestrate a ?joined up football style? (as Ken Buckley would say). This has served us well for the last 2 years with the odd hiccup ? Hull away last year springs to mind. I seem to remember that night that Moyes once again stuck a round player into a square hole (Rodwell as right winger !!).
What we are seeing this year is a failure of the joined up football, we have been out fought in 3 games, Blackburn, Wolves and Newcastle, and Moyes has lost patience and will now revert to his former style of toughening up midfield (Neville and Fellaini) and will possibly move Arteta back to the right wing. This might be just the brake we need to arrest our slide.
I believe that he will revert back to joined up only and if we get on a decent run of wins/draws .
The football we are about to see will be duller, less refined but if his mini ? Dogs of War? style works lets go for it.
11 Posted 20/09/2010 at 21:57:59
But why do the players get off so lightly? After all these same players all constantly informing us how good they are. Fellani?s dad stating that his son should play for a 'big' club or Jonny Heitinger allegedly holding the view that he should play for Barca. And Arteta and Pienaar and their agents have probably giving it the ?top class players should be on top class wages?. So out of position or not, these ?top class? players should?ve steamrolled an average team, instead they made Joey Barton and Kevin ?fuckin? Nolan look like world beaters as they totally dominated our ?Rolls Royce? midfield.
Even though they?re being played out of position, they could put a shift in.
12 Posted 20/09/2010 at 21:46:29
And those are the exact reasons he will never be successful anywhere.
We the fans are mostly to blame for allowing the fat controller to take over in the first place, and we have let him dig his fat arse into the club so much, that no one gives a flying fuck we are going nowhere, cant compete for the title..
People need to wake up, get this fat fuck out, and then get a buyer..you bet there are buyers out there.
We have to take risks, we cant sit back and watch us sink into the shit like other teams have done. Taking a gamble is better than watching your beloved club end up a fucking shambles to the point it winds up.
Id rather see us up there where we belong , not where we are. Seriously the kids of today are chuffed with 5 or 6 and think its some sort of achievement and success. how the fuck is 5 or 6 success?
Until people pull their heads out their backsides and see the trouble we are in, with the fattest of controllers slowly chocking our club into death...we will never compete with the top 5 let alone the top 6, we are slowly and surely sinking further and further into the shit. No matter how you look at it, even teams like wolves have pissed over us this season in terms of spending.. I mean wolves!!
We need people to stand up and kick the fat twat out of our club and if moyse wants to go, then good ridance..we would be better off!
I want either Sven or MON brought in, but they wont come until the fat club killer leaves.
13 Posted 20/09/2010 at 22:27:08
The standard of punditry regarding Everton is insulting and ill -informed. It still seems that Moyes is regarded as a man who, given the right opportunity will be a success. Maybe that is the case . If,though, we were suddenly to come into huge funds I'd rather see the players bought coached by someone else.
14 Posted 20/09/2010 at 22:39:38
What Moyes does now is absolutely crucial to whether or not he can be seen as the right man to continue. Somebody said it on another thread, that insanity is to continue to do the same things and expect a different result.
Change things now, pick a bolder, attacking first team against Brentford, and then continue with it at the weekend. Personally I'd go for Howard (although maybe Mucha just for the Brentford game); Coleman, Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines; Fellaini and Arteta in central midfield, Gueye left, Pienaar right and Bily supporting whichever striker is available, preferably Yakubu (I know this line-up breaks the Pienaar/Baines combo but things can be switched around during the game, and frankly, other teams seem clued up to it anyway). Pienaar, Bily and Gueye can switch around in the three positions supporting the striker.
15 Posted 20/09/2010 at 22:20:56
I'm sure you hear of these women who are beaten by their husbands, abused like no human should have to endure. They are hit, then they swear that's it, they'll leave the man - that's the last time. But they inevitably go back recreating the horror cycle afresh. All's well for maybe a few weeks, months, whatever. Then they are hit again.... it's a tragedy and a crime.
Every week I tune in from the States. I watch Osman played out wide, Coleman benched, Fella playing out of postion, Rodwell on the right, Heitinga as the CDM, Beckford wasted up top by himself when his back to the goal isn't for shit (yet), Distin looking pedestrian at CB for the most part, etc, etc etc. Monday comes and I'm beaten. I wonder why I bother. I swear if Moyes doesn't change his ways I'm done with it - for good this time. I just can't take it anymore.
Then the next week I'm in front of the TV watching again....starting the cycle afresh.
Things will get better for a time - but then they'll get worse again. Why? Because this 5 game start to the season has opened my eyes: Moyes will not change. He'll eventually beat me again.
So my consolation is this: we can't be too far away from the upswing. Enjoy it while it lasts. It's a cycle, and things are bound to get better.
But Davey boy will eventually lash us again in time. And we'll all take it like the good subserviant souls we are b/c we love our club. And you always return to love, don'tcha?
It's the only analogy I could come up with. It's ugly, and for the record lest someone runs me up the pole - Football is a game - in the real world we can all agree my above comments regarding abuse don't compare and aren't even in the same universe as the woes of your Club losing - a game(!).
All I know is I get kicked around by tactics and poor selection, swear I'm done with it, and come back for more.
But smile Andy! Because the tide will turn for a little bit of time! Don't bother yourself with the knowledge that you'll enter the downward spiral at some point again. Enjoy the upswing!
Because we're all drug addicts and we can't go without our fix of Everton Football Club, and David Moyes dolling out the heroine week in and week out.
I'll be back....and so will you.
16 Posted 20/09/2010 at 23:38:38
I would say 95% of posts lay the the blame squarely on the shoulders of D.M. Just to give another perspective, Howard at Blackburn, Fellaini at Villa, Heitinga against Wolves, Distin against Manu and Heitinga letting the Skunks in again. Now add the shite play going forward of our midfield and strikers.
Moyes has to take his share of the blame, but please do not forget the fuckups and individual errors. The overpaid tossers must also hold their hands up.
17 Posted 21/09/2010 at 00:33:28
I'm guessing you don't get many "Moyes defenders" defending him now because the problem is goal-scoring. We outplayed the first 3 teams, had a back and forth with ManU and, apparently, played like shit this weekend.
Yet no one has smoked or dominated us. Does Moyes have anything to do with THAT? What? Huh? Come on, I'm liostening. Tear him to shreds.
We need to put it in the net. We've had the chances every single game.
18 Posted 21/09/2010 at 02:02:19
19 Posted 21/09/2010 at 05:53:15
20 Posted 21/09/2010 at 08:40:53
Davey has proved over and over that when his players let him down, a return to pragmatic football immediately does the trick. That`s why he`s talking about returning the team to a more direct game. Yes, that implies hoof-ball and playing it tight but it can`t come quickly enough for me because it`s a game his teams have mastered over nearly nine seasons. Fancy football ? I`m done with that nonsense, bring back Captain Sensible!
21 Posted 21/09/2010 at 08:55:09
Is that the limit of your aspirations?
Excuse me, whilst a wave of incredulity just washes over me!
22 Posted 21/09/2010 at 09:22:15
I am not greatful to Moyes just because we've achieved 3 top 6 finishes and 1 cup final in his 8 years in charge. I'm not greatful for his shoambolic European record. I don't get why he is held in such high regard. The bad times and bad records he now holds far outweigh the positives. A manager who only seems to have a run of 10 games a season where the team plays well is not a good manager.
Some may say I am over-reacting but I honestly believe this will be one of our worst seasons under Moyes. There is easily enough evidence to now suggest this. He's been found out and only a brain transplant will change him.
23 Posted 21/09/2010 at 10:02:39
24 Posted 21/09/2010 at 10:37:50
25 Posted 21/09/2010 at 10:37:30
Why does everyone go including DM and Round? It was while away on one of these 'waste of money' JOLLIES that our squad ended up being so sparse that our bench was filled with youngsters who have hardly played for the first eleven since.
This is to my mind, bad management and bad preparation. Keep the money spent on these stupid trips for transfers and play worthwhile opposition to really get the lads sharp. Playing abroad in hot temperatures saps strength and certainly does players more harm than good. I'm convinced that our pre-seasons are looked forward to as holidays.
26 Posted 21/09/2010 at 10:39:08
The slow start is hugely frustrating at any time but especially after a summer of expectation - expectation that, while not exactly flamed, was certainly not dampened by the club themselves as has been in the past.
I believe almost every manager has flaws and Moyes is no exception. However the key thing for me, that he simply must find a way to negotiate, is how the team performs when they are EXPECTED to do well. We have shown we can compete with the best of them, we can give the Man Utd and Chelsea a game, now we have to show we can swat aside allegedly 'lesser' teams on a regular basis.
If we can't do that with this squad then I'll certainly be less enamoured of the manager than I currently am. But I've not written off the season just yet.
27 Posted 21/09/2010 at 11:21:13
It just depends how old you are and how far back you go. Younger Everton fans whose main experience is the 90s relegation battles and thinking the top half of the table was the promised land will have a different perspective to those who remember when we could consider ourselves the best team in Europe having won the English league (provider of 7 of 9 preceding European Champions) and Cup Winner's Cup.
28 Posted 21/09/2010 at 11:39:08
29 Posted 21/09/2010 at 12:08:04
30 Posted 21/09/2010 at 12:31:52
31 Posted 21/09/2010 at 14:11:35
I think your right our whole problem with slow out the traps is playing junk in pre-season, long haul holidays for the players, ripping off the loyal supporters trying to go and watch their team half way round the world, to watch a bunch of amateurs beaten by us.
I suggest staying at home, playing some games at home, after all, it is where we play half our games, and getting some better teams in to test the players out. Sod playing Preston every pre-season, why not play Ajax or someone at least up to Premier League standard? It's easy to look good in pre-season when you play junk; the only team that was any good was Wolfsburg and they beat us, that told me everything I needed to know about our pre-season.
32 Posted 21/09/2010 at 15:08:52
33 Posted 21/09/2010 at 15:44:41
It certainly isn't panicking and asking for the removal of the best manager we have had since Kendall!! The answer is hard work on the training pitch, building of confidence for many players who are off their game ? e.g. Arteta, Yak, Pienaar, or new to the Prem e.g. Beckford.
As for being negative, What do you want, a Keegan type of manager?....no thanks! No. 1 on the list. Don't leak goals (esp. at home).
Buyers for the club out there? Absolute rubbish! Don't you think that anyone who might be looking at buying a club will have already found out everything about the club before even making any approach. Fact is that as a business we are sinking due to the restrictions imposed by our ground. The only way out would be to buy up the hundreds of houses which suround it, or move.
34 Posted 21/09/2010 at 15:54:03
35 Posted 21/09/2010 at 19:18:24
I think the root of all our current problems and those of the past couple of seasons have been the poor pre-season preparations and ? as much as I like Moyesey ? surely this must be down to him.
We play stupid fixtures half way round the globe in July and then a couple of soft fixtures against the likes of second division outfits. We delude ourselves on the basis of these results that we're going to have a great season.
In reality this approach only extends our pre-season into August and September and (God Forbid!) October. At the moment I don't think DM knows his best team and injuries are no excuse right now. The players don't look too sharp, the team is unbalanced and the term "hit the ground running" doesn't seem to register at Goodison Park.
No doubt things will pick up in a few weeks and optimism for a European place or a cup run will rise. But wouldn't it be great for once to get off to a flyer? Other than Chelsea this year, there appears to be alot of mediocrity around and we could be up there now with momentum building for a top 4 place. We should even be getting ready for a few "Going Down, Going Down, Going Down" chants at the derby match but we've even blown that rare chance now as we're still getting ready for our traditional season kick-off - sometime before Christmas.
36 Posted 22/09/2010 at 11:01:53
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