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After the rather large set back at the weekend and much debate, tonight's game at Brentford seems to have been overlooked... surely here is an opportunity to at least restore a little pride?

So... what will the lineup be?... and the result? I've been to the bookies and placed a fiver on 3-1
Chris Keightley, Harwich     Posted 21/09/2010 at 16:35:15

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Ian Tod
1   Posted 21/09/2010 at 17:18:05

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Well, here's our chance to gain some confidence quickly after the shambles that was Newcastle. With Arteta doing his best Gemmil impresssion and Distin displaying the ability of a dustbin.

I'd actually go with the majority of the team that played Newcastle on Saturday, with a few changes, this would give players who haven't played much ie; Billy and Yak some much needed game time whilst also giving the others a chance to boost their confidence as early as possible.

The team I'd go with is:

Howard
Neville  Jagielka   Distin   Baines
Bily    Fellaini   Arteta   Gueye
               Osman (assuming Cahill is still out)
                             Yak

Bench: Mucha, Hibbert, Heitinga, Gueye, Beckford, Coleman, Barkley
COYB
Nick Entwistle
2   Posted 21/09/2010 at 17:18:40

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Are we on TV? Web? The north London derby will take the most interest but can't see a more interesting game especially concerning our giant killing killing potential by Brentford.... Brentford!
Ian Tod
3   Posted 21/09/2010 at 17:19:59

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Has anyone got a stream for this one by the way?
Andrew Fair
4   Posted 21/09/2010 at 17:23:24

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Since Saturday the atmosphere on this site has been gloomy to say the least. The comments in the main have been negative and scathing (rightly so after Saturday's debacle).

Well a game has come at just the right time! We have had three days of anger and hurt and I for one hope never to see a performance of the like again. We must now get behind the team and hope that they have the same passion that we do for EFC.

Like D:Ream once said "things can only get better" and I believe that they will. Moyes faces one of the toughest tests of his career and if the people in the know are to be believed this man is a top manager so lets see him earn his cash. The start to the season has been dreadful but the next three games are all winnable and then we have a derby that may just be one of the most important for both teams in a long time.

Big ask but win all them and this negativity dissapears, yes overly optimistic maybe but whats the point of looking back, all that shit has happened and I dont want to be reminded of it.

Paul Whittaker
5   Posted 21/09/2010 at 17:21:18

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I think he is going to take Distin out of the firing line tonight. His confidence is shot to pieces after Berbatov gave him a footballing lesson. A clanger tonight against Brentford and the bloke could be mentally shot for months. Its also a perfect game to see if Jags and Heitinga can play together in a back 4.
Ian Tod
6   Posted 21/09/2010 at 17:27:44

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found a stream:http://livefooty.doctor-serv.com/tue...rd_Everton.php
Andrew McGreavy
7   Posted 21/09/2010 at 17:31:23

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Attack, Attack, Attack Attack Attack!!!!!!
Mike Oates
8   Posted 21/09/2010 at 17:29:44

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Team will be
Mucha
Hibbert Heitinga Distin Baines
Bily Neville Fellaini Gueye
Beckford Yak

Subs
Turner Jagielka Arteta Pinaaer Barkley Coleman Hibbert
Paul Oakes
9   Posted 21/09/2010 at 17:36:39

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lol right now id back brentford to beat us..we are shocking bad
Paul Oakes
10   Posted 21/09/2010 at 17:41:20

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Andrew Fair - You seem to have forgotten the other 4 matches in which we have failed miserably to win.

You need to remember this, everyone was hyped up, well some where and they have been clattered in the bollocks yet again by another inept opening season display.

Negative yes, DESERVED yes. Maybe when they pull their nuts out their asses and actually do something worth praising we'll be right there alongside cheering them on, but seriously this is an atrocious start to the season and something I am furious about.
Matty Snape
11   Posted 21/09/2010 at 17:48:34

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A reliable source from the club managed to leak tonighs line up to me, it is the following:

Mucha
Coleman Jags Distin Baine
Neville Fellaini
Billy Osman Gueye
Yak

Watch this space.
Danny Burke
12   Posted 21/09/2010 at 17:48:25

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Id go 442 for this one ith no Timmy fit. We probably wont though.

Mucha
Neville Jags Heitinga Baines
Bily/Coleman Arteta Fellaini Pienaar
Yak Beckford

Nick Entwistle
13   Posted 21/09/2010 at 18:11:35

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I'm with you Danny, though I'd give Pienaar the night off and go with Gueye. The Yak and Beckford partnership looks very interesting to me.
Rob Hollis
14   Posted 21/09/2010 at 18:18:35

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As we are away it is probably best to play with ten defenders. You can never be too safe.
Well that's what it says in my Davey Moyes Thought for the Day Diary
Stuart O'Malley
15   Posted 21/09/2010 at 18:27:40

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Ian Tod (1), you have Gueye on starting and on the bench . Now that's what I call a like for like sub! Suit Moyesie down to the ground...
Jamie Tulacz
16   Posted 21/09/2010 at 19:08:09

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Chris- which side did you put your money on to win :)

Side for tonight:

Mucha, Baines, Jagielka, Distin, Neville, Bilyaletdinov, Gueye, OSman, Coleman, Fellaini, Yakubu,

Good to see Gueye get a run out, looks like Coleman right mid maybe Bily playing off the Yak and Osman in centre-mid for once?
Ian Tod
17   Posted 21/09/2010 at 19:13:22

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Stuart(16) oops! I meant Pienaar, seriously, I'm not deluded.
Jon Cox
18   Posted 21/09/2010 at 19:13:28

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Rob (15) the best laugh i've had all day. Be careful mate the beeb will come a knocking at at your door at 5am for comedy like that !

This is the night that Moyes tries to fashion a side which will start to claw it's way up the league. Hopefully it will comprise two strikers. For me it will always be the wrong two strkers.

For me the only two stikers playing together should always have been Vaughan and Beckford. I guess we'll never know.

One thing I do know, lose tonight Daveys' head is on the block.

COYB
Jon Cox
19   Posted 21/09/2010 at 19:29:57

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Nick (10) where what why when? Explain.
John McLoughlin
20   Posted 21/09/2010 at 19:33:00

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We will hammer them tonite, 4-0
Josh Holmes
21   Posted 21/09/2010 at 19:37:52

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Anyone got a link that works?
Jeremy Benson
22   Posted 21/09/2010 at 19:38:26

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Matty Snape is spot on - that is the team that has been announced...
Paul Oakes
23   Posted 21/09/2010 at 20:21:54

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Some people dont have a radio at home, coz we live in the digital age and we either watch matches online or go the match normally.

so here is a city radio link online.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mrmooeverton
Josh Holmes
24   Posted 21/09/2010 at 20:25:06

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Thank you Paul! Cant find my wind up radio! And im not running down the battery in the car again!!
Paul Oakes
25   Posted 21/09/2010 at 20:57:32

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Haha! yeah, I tossed all my radios in the bin. I just have no time for them anymore, thank god someone is restreaming the city stream online.
Tom Bowers
26   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:24:11

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What a disgrace. Moyes resign now. Please?
Adam Doyle
27   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:25:40

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Fuck off with the Moyes resigning comments right now. Don't want to hear them, you're shite fans if you think that. You said it last season, and the season before.

I'm as devastated as anyone else, but please, don't be stupid
Alex Kociuba
28   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:26:42

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Moyes won't resign and Bill would never sack him. What a shambles.
Dan Parker
29   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:26:33

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What a disgrace. Moyes has proven he cannot learn from past mistakes. Another terrible season start with no injuries to use as an excuse. Utter tosh.

Beckford, what a joke. Get Vaughan back from Palace now!!

Seasons over already, what a waste. It's ok though, Bill's out there looking for our Billionaire....
Tom Bowers
30   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:27:05

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Sorry Adam your clutching at straws defending Moyes. He has to go and he has to take Osman with him.
Joe McMahon
31   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:29:21

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Arrgghhhh, this is now the worst Everton side in the 33 years I've been supporting. Negative overpaid wanker. What can we do to get rid of him?
Lee Kidd
32   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:28:04

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Adam Doyle, we were right last season. He should have gone then. We were all hoodwinked by the "recovery" again after Christmas, but who gives a shit? Even if we win a few on the bounce in a months time it'll only mean a top half finish of mediocrity again.

After tonight, he literally has to walk. I can't see one sane argument in favour of him staying, other than the very crap old "who would we get better?" line.

Answer: Anyone who doesn't play 4-5-fucking-1 against Brentford.

Not only can we do better than Moyes, it's now at the point where we can't do much worse than Moyes.
Adam Doyle
33   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:29:13

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Can you say knee-jerk reaction? Worse than those BENITEZ OUT kopites after every game Liverpool lose. You say he should resign now but you'll be sobbing like the rest hen Man Utd deem him Fergie's replacement
Viv Sharma
34   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:30:15

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Adam, I don't see how you can defend this utter garbage we play.
Defensive negative and totally ineffectual.
Cant see us staying up with this combination of tactics and formation.
The squad is decent, so where is the problem if it's not DM?
The buck stops there
Viv Sharma
35   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:32:14

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How can it be a knee jerk reaction if we have all been calling for his head for a month now?
Lee Kidd
36   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:32:00

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"Knee jerk"? A lot of people have been calling for him to resign for a good year now! The phrase "took us as far as he can" applied perfectly to Moyes in 2008.
Joe McMahon
37   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:31:57

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Doyle- you being serious? Moyes going to a Europena Giant like Man U. Don't think losing 6 - 1 at Home to Arse is their style!
Andrew McGreavy
38   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:32:42

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It is so negative, why have 1 striker on the pitch three on the bench and then take 1 striker off and put one on RUBBISH NEGATIVE PATHETIC HOPELESS TRIPE
Ste Traverse
39   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:33:19

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Time to go Moyes, Bye Bye.

And its time for Billy Bullshit to FUCK OFF too. The man is a CANCER and a CURSE on this club.

GET OUT the pair of you.
Tommy Coleman
40   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:32:02

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Adam Doyle, you are insane if you think ManUre will take Moyes on.

How much failure do fans like you need to put up with until you think he has to go ?

What does it take ? Unless you think he has a job for life for £3.5m per year.
Joe McMahon
41   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:34:03

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When we finished 4th (all them years ago) we finished with a negative goal difference, that says all you need to know.
Adam Doyle
42   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:33:54

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It's Moyes fault the players play shite? Picked a strong side, and 4-5-1 should have been good enough to beat them. Blame the players
Viv Sharma
43   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:34:04

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Sorry Lee. 'a month'. what was I thinking!

Seriously though, there you go: Some have wanted him out for ages. I was stupid enough to have faith but even I have completely lost patience.
Lee Kidd
44   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:35:30

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I can't even blame Kenwright for this to be honest. He's backed Moyes to a fault, and this month in particular of pure shite is what the return is. Moyes has every bit the air of a man who has been in a job with too much security too long.
Liam Reilly
45   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:34:12

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Awful, gutted. Fuck me it's hard being an Evertonian. Nothing else to say.
Joe McMahon
46   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:39:33

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Fulham Saturday, bottom of the league on Sunday. Then Birmingham away, before the American Kopites, we'll be points adrift at the bottom by then, awell School of Science. Joe Mercer and Alan Ball must be turning in their graves. Nothing but the best is Good Enough. How is over 8 years of 4-5-1 the best??
Lee Kidd
47   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:37:28

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Adam Doyle, EVERY player is Moyes' player, he selects the tactics, he instructs, he's paid to get the best out of his assets.

He got the tactics wrong, he hasn't gotten the best out of his assets for (being generous) the last three starts to the season, he's got players arguing with eachother on the pitch and the one last favourable characteristic of Moyes' management - his ability to buy crackers and turn them good - has gone out the window with Beckford and Bilyaletinov to name two signings who not only look lost at this level, they barely look like footballers.

"The buck stops here". The manager takes responsibility at a football club, thus after the absolute shambles we find ourselves in, Moyes HAS to walk.

He won't though, and Kenwrong won't sack him, because he's not stupid enough to throw away a secure job.

As for Man Utd taking him, the only "crying" I'd do if he went would be for the sad fact that Liverpool would have a greater chance of challenging for a title once more, because the dour negative ginger Scot will never win a league title regardless of what club he's at.
Robbie Muldoon
48   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:38:06

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1 upfront again. Like for like sub again upfront second half. Beckford rotting on the sidelines against lower league opposition he can play against. Osman 90 mins again. Fellaini out of position again.

Fuck off Moyes I've had enough with your bad choices holding the team back and bringing embarrasment on our club once again.
Viv Sharma
49   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:41:51

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120 minutes against a nothing side struggling in the lower leagues AND 5 pens and we still only score 4 goals.
I CANNOT BELIEVE IT
John Smith
50   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:29:11

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@Adam Doyle

Sorry mate, but why should he fuck off? its his opinion, and tbh, its an opinion that rings true on here now.

I'm fucking sick to death of accepting second best under Moyes, we've had eight years of it, even when we qualified for the CL we fucked that up within 45 minutes, not going into the past anyway.

My main point is, he hasn't got a fucking clue, its 4-5-1 same shitty players and one striker on his own week in week out, 4-5-1 tonight away to the mighty Brentford, its a fucking defensive formation.

One striker upfront at home to Newcastle aswel, I'm sick of him we need someone else.
Viv Sharma
51   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:43:22

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to be fair Lee, all that hysterical laughter at ManUs expense might bring a tear or 2 to my eye in that scenario
Andy Spence
52   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:42:55

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Come on then, Doddy... defend your god now after that shambolic "performance". Utterly disgusted with Moyes, and I am not on my own in that feeling.
Adam Doyle
53   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:42:28

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You're talking bollocks, the lot of you. End of.
Tommy Coleman
54   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:48:29

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Adam, go to the Official site where the pixies play with the fairies, where the sky is always blue and you can live in your dream land forever with the people running our club (Laurel and Hardy ) who can make you smile while Richard Dodd dangles a watch in front of your face telling you that 10th is success... 10th is success.... 10th is success.....
Joe McMahon
55   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:49:58

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I never once dissagreed with Tony Marsh and I never will. Adam Doyle please look at where we are, over 8 years added to the 4 years of Smith. Thats over 12 fucking years of dour negative football.
Daniel Hutchinson
56   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:53:13

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O'Neill?
;)
Brian Waring
57   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:47:56

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It's funny Adam that you seem to be the only one defending Moyes. Even some of the lads who normally back him, are begining to question him.
Joe McMahon
58   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:54:25

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Daniel Hutchinson - It's pointless Moyes isn't going anywhere.
Phil Rodgers
59   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:49:36

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He simply cannot motivate the players to win matches anymore. His cowardly tactics have garnered us 2 points and cup defeat to a league 1 side. How the fuck can anyone defend that!?!!
Dennis Stevens
60   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:55:51

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Brian, if Adam's posts are supposed to amount to a defence of Moyes, well ... I suppose you can't defend the indefensible.
Paul Oakes
61   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:55:23

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Jon Cox
in the mean time under reality skies, we once again played like utter shite. There is no fucking defending this inept manager. We went there defending 4-5-1. None of them give a fuck because of the bust up at Finch Farm the other day.
They complain they are being played out of position. They complain that some players who should be in the team are not.

And young Coleman is a right wing attacker if you ask me... not some rb defender.

Moyes, since you are so stubborn and won't change things around for the good of the club, then I am afraid it's time to hand your resignation in now. You have shown how inept you can be, and this is the final straw... if he doesn't hand it in then Kenwright needs to sack him.

I am sorry but for the sake of the club this manager needs to be got rid off now. He has lost everything with this team, he has too many fit players and the muppet is clueless.
Adam Doyle
62   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:56:27

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I'm not the only one, but I'm the only one here, on ToffeeWeb, world renowned for it's negativity, pessimissism and knee-jerkism. Sorry, it's not technically knee-jerk reaction is it? Since every week you admit you want him out, so why take your opinion seriously if you just don't like Moyes? And you all feel this way, so no-one corrects you. That's why I shouldn't even argue
Robert Daniels
63   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:00:44

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Paul, what bust up?
Dan Parker
64   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:02:26

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Adam, I've never wanted Moyes out and always defending him given we had serious injuries until now. For me, he has no excuses and hasn't learned any lessons. Perhaps it is time to go.

No money? Just tot up how much he spent on billy, distin, heitinga and beckford and the team is no better with any of them in the squad.
Ian Edwards
65   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:57:58

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Moyes is a tactical coward. One up front is a joke. lets have Goodison rocking with chants of Moyes out.
Dave Southon
66   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:00:58

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I have always been pro DM.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt with our CL tragedy, even the Lescott saga.
This season however with a full squad and let's not forget for once it has depth, he has continually played to our weaknesses.
In my opinion we really needed a goal scorer, yes money is tight but we turned down 5mill for "Feed the Yak and he won't score" that could have been the answer.
Anyhow, my rambling's due to drowning my sorrows in Red wine need to stop and thus so does DM.
He has brought us as far as he can, now is the time for change to take us to the next level.
Tactically inept and too stubborn with makeweight squad members.
If this carries on how can we keep onto the likes of Rodwell, Heitinga and Arteta.
Please step down for the good of the club.
Paul Oakes
67   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:00:31

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4-5-1 at home, 4-5-1 at Brentford. Yes, he deserves to be fired. Jesus it's hardly Barcelona. We should have gone 2 up top and slap the fuckers silly, but what do we get? The same bullshit from this manager.

Never ever have I ever felt ashamed to be a blue but this man is killing this club.

He has no clue what he is doing. We all know how tactically stupid he is. We all know how bad steve round is. But I cannot forgive someone who doesn't have the balls to put a good quality team out, or indeed put a settled team in.

None of this is defensible, he thrives with injuries because he doesn't have fuck all to do but name fit people and shove them anywhere and they manage to win. He has a fully fit squad and what does he do? That's right ... defend. Remember, this is the man that turns strikers into defenders.

Success is measured only by what you win... Under Royle, we won an FA Cup; under Moyes? Too many embarrassing bad records broken.. LMA Manager of the Year three times? Who voted for him, his wife?
Oiver Molloy
68   Posted 21/09/2010 at 22:52:04

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David Moyes will never succeed Ferguson @ Man U and any one who thinks this must be off their rocker.
Anyway,now onto Fulham and a possible bust up with a certain M.Hughes.
Once again I'm disapointed,but every report i listened to tonight they all said the same thing,"Everton should have been 3-4 up at half time".
The game is about sticking the ball in the net,and at the moment it appears we have no players cabable of doing this.
Why no JH tonight i wonder,injured?sulking?..I said this a few days ago,i reckon all is not well within the dressing room at the club!
Brian Waring
69   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:04:25

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Adam, are you happy with him going to a div 1 side, in a one - off cup game, playing 4- 5 - 1? Are you happy with his negative tactics, always looking not to get beat, instead of just going out to win games?
Are you happy with him playing players out of position all the time?
Are you happy with his continous picking of Osman, who is mostly shite?
Dennis Stevens
70   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:07:11

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You're not arguing, Adam. You're just carping about people critcising Moyes.
Paul Oakes
71   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:07:25

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Adam Doyle 9 years and counting..whats his excuse, even pro moyse fans are seeing how clueless he really is. Give him a medium sized squad and he declares it his best yet, then goes about shoving shit sides out, all out of position.

What is fella doing up top? he should be just ahead of the back 4, thats where his best position is. And he has shown on more than 1 occasion through his body language he doesn't like where he is playing.
Phil Rodgers
72   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:08:08

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I cant sleep I am so wound up. This is as a bad a time as I can remember at the club and the blame lies at Moyes's door. 1 up front cannot be defended against Brentford.
Sam Hoare
73   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:13:35

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Were we really that bad? genuine question as couldn't watch it, but reports seem to suggest we had loads of chances but just didn't put them in.

A familiar story this season...
Oiver Molloy
74   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:08:57

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Paul Oakes... 64..

What bust up at Finch Farm?please enlighten me.
Thanks.
John Littler
75   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:13:45

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Paul Oakes @64 - what happened / who was involved in this bust up at Finch Farm the other day?
John Smith
76   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:08:22

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A knee-jerk reaction is wanting to sack the manager / drop a good player after one or two bad performances in 10-20 games.

I'm very fucking sorry but, that's not the case at Everton, any other club appoints a manager and if the manager's plans have ran their course after, usually three years, they are sacked, even after a trophy they usually don't last beyond 6 years...so why then have we given Moyes 8 fucking years!

Moyes took us as far as he could go in 2009 after a second successive fifth place finish ? and at that time, both Man City and Spurs weren't very good, as soon as both them clubs hit the ground, were do we go? down the table...that's where.

He should've gone in 2009, last season was a joke, we all got fooled by our form after Christmas, after yet another pathetic opening. I suppose people defending him will forgive him if we pick up in January when, once again, it's too fucking late.

Under Moyes it will always be close but not close enough, accepting second best and utter mediocrity.
David S Shaw
77   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:05:15

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It's a bad spell it happens, I have faith Moyes will turn it around.

It disappoints mr how fickle some of our fans are and how they're incapable of seeing the bigger picture.

The level of Moyes bashing of late has took me by surprise, Kenwright on transfer deadline day didn't receive this much abuse, what's going on?

How many of the people slating Moyes now we're gullible in believing the Kenwright propaganda that we'll go with what we've got, and that we should be happy just to keep our players, and so didn't complain when we spent 1 million?



Peter Laing
78   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:15:07

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It really cant get any worse or can it ? Manager's are usually judged on their last 6 results and taking in tonight's game that's four lost and two drawn. We are listing badly, morale is shot, the team evidently disharmonious and Moyes incapable of rallying the troops. Moyes will not walk (he is too stubborn) and Kenwright will not sack him for two reasons, it will cost him too much and he is spineless. For anyone who believes Kenwright will take action they need to have their head examined, remember 0-3 at home to Tranmere in the FA Cup and Walter still hung on till the following season when we got routed by Middlesborough.
Jon Cox
79   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:13:43

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Paul Oakes (64) Totally agree mate but cant for the life of me work out why you mentioned me at the top of your post.

What were you refering too?

Other than that then it seems that Moyes has hit an impass which is very stale and we are in need of some fresh impetus. How where from I have no idea.,

Shameful tonight. Something has to change and quick.
Paul Oakes
80   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:19:57

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David S Shaw - this is not a bad spell, its beyond that.
Joseph Strumm
81   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:01:13

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Tonight was the ideal opportunity to rest as many players as possible and bring in anyone who's been warming the bench and give the fringe players a chance: Neville, Gueye, Coleman; definitely Beckford and Yakubu upfront; try Heitinga and Jagielka as a pair; even Bily in the hole maybe...

They should've been told to go out and play with freedom, but we got a DM special: no balance, no passion, no bottle... just no fucking idea how to win a game and no desire from the players to do so.

I've had enough, the squad and Moyes have peaked and are now in a descent, it's time for change. A new manager and a severe pruning of this group of heartless players. Another major low to add to Moyes's extensive catalogue of disasters!

Adam Doyle
82   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:13:03

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For a start - OK sack Moyes, who do we get? I hear Mourinho is just waiting for Kenwright to call him.
Secondly - You are deluded if you think the past years with Moyes have been bad.
Third - I wouldn't say Bily and Heitinga are bad signings. Bily looked quite good last season and he was only finding his feet. And I'm sorry, but Heitinga not jusy play in the WC Final?
Fourth - Yes, 4-5-1 is frustrating at times, but I remember when we played 4-4-2 at Goodison (maybe last season, season before) and we played terrible. Seem to recall everyone on here belittling 4-4-2 then. We lose, you blame tactics, lather, rinse, repeat.
Fifth - Brian, you've got me there! I personally don't feel Osman is good enough to be the first name on the team sheet. And playing players outof position is a bad trait, I admit that.
Sixth - has no clue what he's doing? Won Manager of the Year a few times, but you're right, they hand that out willy-nilly. My nan got one last year. And no, it is not voted for by his wife.
Seventh - you can't possibly mean it when you say he's had money. He's had a bit every now and then but not a consistent pot to piss in.

If we're 19th come Christmas, I'll start to see your side. But I know we won't be. Consistency is what we need, and our past 4 league finishes have been 6th, 5th, 5th and 8th. And you want him out?
Oiver Molloy
83   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:08:57

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Paul Oakes... 64..

What bust up at Finch Farm?please enlighten me.
Thanks.
Kunal Desai
84   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:29:05

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The bust up was between Osman, Moyes and Kenwright, Osman didn't want to take part in their weekly threesome gang banging session, he felt a break was much needed in order to focus on improving his performances.
Andrew McGreavy
85   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:22:27

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Moyes quote on www.evertonfc.com

"I actually thought after 20 minutes it wasn't going to be our night. I said that to Steve (Round) when we didn't get the goals."

WELL PUT SOME MORE STRIKERS ON THEN!
Paul Oakes
86   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:22:08

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If Kenwright won't take action, then surely we should take action to get them both out. We can make a hell of a lot of noise and make it so uncomfortable for the pair of them, they have no choice but to walk away.

Who would succeed Kenwright tho?
Andy Tyler
87   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:20:26

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Whatever industry you are in you cannot afford to stand still or you're overtaken. I fear that is what has happend to David Moyes brand of football. Other teams have sussed us out, and his problems are compounded by creating a squad which does not have a mixture of attributes. We have no pace, no one who can beat a man, very little flair or physical presence, we move the ball slowly and mostly into feet. This results in us having no cutting edge. We struggled towards the end of last season (West Ham and Portsmouth at Home) and that has continued into this season.


Dennis Stevens
88   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:33:12

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Adam, in all fairness to Moyes & the players, nobody could say we haven't been consistent this season. Oh, & you are of course, quite right - we would find Moyes to be utterly irreplaceable if he should ever leave, obviously!
Oiver Molloy
89   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:36:23

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Paul Oakes..
Are you please going to tell us all about the bust up at Finch Farm,and how you came about this info,or are you just going to ignore this third request which will lead me to believe your full of you know what!!
Peter Laing
90   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:37:09

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Comendable defence of Moyes and the team Adam Doyle but you are talking past tenths mate, we are in the middle of an abysmal crisis and you are trying to defend the undefensible. Moyes is the Manager the buck stops with him.
Mike Green
91   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:31:41

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Could've been worse. Could've gone out in 90 mins......?
Tommy Meehan
92   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:37:34

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I agree Andy I remember that game against West Ham last season at home, it was pathetic, especially given our need for points and their position, AND the fact we went ahead. In retrospect the signs were there from the end of last season - this is deja vu shit aint much fun no more the same sickening feeling as after that West Brom farrago a few years back - actually there's an idea for a new Cohen Brothers film "Farrago" but who to play Moyes and Bill?
Nick Entwistle
93   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:39:55

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Any one know how many shots were cleared off the line?
Nick Entwistle
94   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:43:34

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Just realised I'm grasping at straws there...
Nick Entwistle
95   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:44:34

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99
Tommy Meehan
96   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:44:17

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Their line or ours Nick?
Nick Entwistle
97   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:44:49

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Dam you got the 100 Tommy
Tommy Meehan
98   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:45:53

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hahah well you got a look in too
Paul Oakes
99   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:37:10

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The bust up was with Moyes and the squad. Heitinga was pissed at being played out of position all the time, and threatened to refuse to play any more matches if he did not play him in centre defense,

There are a lot of angry subs on the bench who Moyes wont give them the chance they should get.

I mean since he clearly hasnt got a clue what he is doing now. Why not shove the French lad on? By all accounts he is half decent, throw coleman on the wing. That way both wings are covered. Shove Fella back in front of the back 4, with Heitinga in central defense. Allow Pienaar to play just behind the top 2 strikers and allow Arteta to be creative.

But no we have to go with ossie, Hibbo and Neville at every single opportunity he gets.
Oiver Molloy
100   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:45:53

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So to all the Moyes out punters, can someone suggest who they would like to take his place.
Nick Entwistle
101   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:47:03

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Howard

Neville Jags Heitinga Baines

Coleman Arteta Fallaini Pieenar

Beckford Yakubu

Just for a change no Mr Moyes?
Nick Entwistle
102   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:49:28

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Oliver, who replaces him is down to whether he gets pushed or if he jumps... if he is to go, its best he jumps, then we can get Sven on same wages. Pushed? No chance. Plus Moyes isn't going to quit... and I'm still 99.5% behind him.
Oiver Molloy
103   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:48:54

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Paul Oakes,
Thank you for clearing that up the "bust up @ Finch Farm" mystery,can i ask how you came about this information?,or should i mind my own business!
Paul Oakes
104   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:49:53

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Oiver Molloy - that is what fat kenwright is paid for, not for us to worry about.

But id either go with Sven or Oneill both quality managers in their own right in my mind.

Oneill will get us thrusting on all cylinders and get us going again..and the truth is before he went to villa id have swapped moyse for him..really I would.

He was at the wrong club in villa..but man did he make them attack minded..unlike our defend at all costs bs.
Peter Laing
105   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:50:02

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How the fuck could Moyes refuse a bid of £6 million for Yakubu during the summer from West Ham knowing that he was unfit / overweight following the World Cup, wanted away and looks to be permanently crocked following his snapped archillies. That judgement alone raises serious questions regarding the state of the Club.
Robert Daniels
106   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:49:12

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Oliver, I don't think the Special One would be up for it, and by all accounts, Wenger's busy!

But I wouldn't mind Neville having a go... Calm down, it's only a suggestion, he has played under Sir Tomato Face, and should know a thing or two about tactics. When we're playing the shite, he might think, "What would Sir Alex do!"

Either way, he couldn't do any worse.
Oiver Molloy
107   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:51:58

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Nick 106..

Sorry don't agree Nick,Sven has hardly set the world alight and his record recently is not to good,and don't forget we have no money!!
If Moyes walks and i believe that will have to be the case,i would like to see Roy Keane.
Nick Entwistle
108   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:56:31

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Oiver... got it right the second time.

You can't say Sven has done nothing recently despite a career full of trophies, then name Kean who almost took Sunderland down after spending a fortune and then last season with Ipswich being a mare. Sven was doing great at City and if he was kept on with these new owners they wouldn't be quite the joke. Not as funny as ours, but enough to raise a titter.
Dennis Stevens
109   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:52:16

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Team spirit seems conspicuous by it's absence at the moment & if Moyes has lost the players then I struggle to see a way back for him. I'd prefer him to get his act together & turn things 'round as changing managers mid-season would be very disruptive. However, if it's soon clear he can no longer manage effectively I hope he'll do the honourable thing & resign.
John Smith
110   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:53:44

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Saturday

Craven Cottage

Everton................4-5-1

The usual stars; Heitinga (in position or out....you're still fucking shite, just fuck off alltogether), Distin as our central defender, Hibbert chosen yet again, Neville pulling the strings in midfield, Osman once again on the wing and....best of all, the Premier League's most feared striker, First division Jermaine Beckford upfront on his own.

Everton go down 2-0 without a fucking fight, once again Heitinga or Disitin at fault for at least one goal.

And just for good measure, the following day Neville or Osman declare Everton must turn it around, during a newspaper interview.

Don't even fool yourselves into thinking it will be any different....it wont.
Roy Coyne
111   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:31:30

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I never attack Moyes because he has a dead weight boss in our Bill. But there is no defence for this and he barcodes game. I don't like one up front in any home game but gainst certain teams I can accept his reluctance to have two but the last two games he has not sent a team out to win, just to hope we can pinch a result sorry but if this is now the Everton way something has to change
Paul Oakes
112   Posted 21/09/2010 at 23:54:54

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Your not wrong there Peter Laing. He has to go, there is no more excuses for his ineptitude. He didn't want to bring more strikers into the team, he chose to pick weak crappy teams in pre season..yet the same thing has happened for the past 3 seasons. Its the same old story.

The lads should be geeed up and ready to go on opening day, not sitting back struggling to run 10 yards because they played the like of Norwich City (no offense to them).

Each and every pre season the team is not focused come the start of the season, due to the obvious and clear facts they aren't playing decent opposition..where moyse can look at the squad and say shit yeah i need to strengthen here and there. It is something he never seems to do.

How the hell did he get any coaching badges from UEFA in the first place? don't they teach them these things during the training process to become a manager/ coach?

If you ask me, its a bad combination of Steve Round / Moyse.

It's no wonder England suffered under Mclaren when he had round as his number 2. Its no coincidence the skunks went to shite when he joined them..when he left they went down. Coincidence? not at all..and then we have moyse who is completely and utterly out of his depth.

This is not PNE Davey boy, or the championship, but you will push us down this season. Last year we got lucky with a decent run, but regardless of injuries this time your time is up.
Oiver Molloy
113   Posted 22/09/2010 at 00:08:14

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I just remembered Cahill comments a few days back saying we had a better squad than l/pool this year.
What was all that about??
I don't like players mouthing off,do your talking on the pitch.
Seamus Murphy
114   Posted 22/09/2010 at 00:14:37

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Unbelievable. Moyes has lost the plot. He has to accept full responsibility for everything that had happened this season. Terrible team selection,negative tactics, always 5 defenders at least on pitch, never two strikers, same old wasters always on field(distin, osman), obsessed with playing players out of position. I could go on and on. Fuckin joke
Paul Oakes
115   Posted 22/09/2010 at 00:17:03

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Distin still in the team defies logic. Where we not told that Distin was on a season long contract until we could find someone younger and better? And instead regardless of how bad he has been gets a renewed contract for the next 2 years?

The mind boggles over what he has done. One thing is for certain if we dont get rid now, we'll be joining Preston next season.

We all deserve this club to reclaim its rightful place, not have terrible terrible records broken week in and out.

I mean this season's start is now officially the worse in over 22 years. That doesn't include the loss in the carling cup either.

Yes Moyse is such a grand manager, he has managed to win us nothing, he plays dour negative football. Won't let players shine in their rightful positions, or even have the balls to go 442 at home or at Brentford...yup time to force him out if he wont go.
Andy Tyler
116   Posted 22/09/2010 at 00:16:23

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I wouldn't mind 4-5-1 if Moyes had built a squad which could play this effectively. The only player that looks comfortable with this formation is Cahill. He has no wide players, but plenty of players who could 'float' and 'support' behind a main striker (Cahill, Arteta, Bily, Pienaar and Osman). So why not play 4-2-3-1, at least you could get Fellaini and Rodwell in the team together holding midfield in front of the back four.

Although I feel Beckford could do more, I am sure that Moyes didn't watch him at Leeds playing on his own, with his back to goal, holding the ball up. Why bring him in and expect (or hope) he can play in a different way.
Paul Oakes
117   Posted 22/09/2010 at 00:29:15

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He was free, regardless whether he could play a bit or not. The irony was, there where two way better strikers ahead of him last season, who scored more goals. So hardly the best player in the league.

It was a stupid gamble to try and bring in a player from the 1st Division and expect him to be able to cope with the Premier League straight off the bat. What loonatic would think of doing that?

He knew we needed more firepower last season... so why has he not delivered on this, and why after 8 seasons and a bit do we still not have a quality RB or a right Midfielder and a decent striker? 8 years of waiting for this baffoon to get 3 decent players... but I'd imagine they'd all be defenders by the time they finished with Everton.

I pity anyone playing under Moyes, really I would. You are told to play all over the park, week-in and -out, then you're expected to take a position you can't play in and he tells you to go out and play; if you can't you're benched... unless you're Osman or neville... Absolutely pig sick of the man.
John Smith
118   Posted 22/09/2010 at 00:42:32

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Eight years, no trophies, a poor previous campaign and a truly absymal start to what is Moyes eigth season in charge. Yet I get the feeling Moyes isn't even close to being sacked, infact with Kenwright he's closer to a new contract than being shown the exit door.

With most club's he'd of been sacked last season, at Everton though, we accept second best and mediocrity instead of change.
John Daley
119   Posted 22/09/2010 at 01:07:00

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Anyone on here actually go the game? I was told that Fellaini and Moyes appeared to be having a running argument throughout the second half, with Fellaini responding with a lot of furious head shaking and flailing of arms. Can anyone confirm?

If you add this to the rumours of Bily being disillusioned and Heitinga throwing a tantrum in training and demanding to be played in defence or not at all, then it suggests Everton's much heralded team spirit may be nearing breaking point. If the players start to lose, or have already lost, faith in the manager then he truly is fucked.
Gerald Foo
120   Posted 22/09/2010 at 02:14:25

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First things first... I'm just as disappointed as all of you with our lame start to the season. 5 games in, 2 points garnered is a crisis whichever way you put it.

However, what I cannot fathom is the number of people that are saying that the solution to everything is to go 4-4-2. Just put 2 strikers up there and we'll convert all our chances and win every game 5-0!

Football as a game has largely evolved over the years and 4-4-2 has been largely figured out and not prevalent any more in the top leagues. Chelsea, Arsenal, Man U, Barca, Real, Inter, etc etc do not play with a conventional 4-4-2. They're not even set up to play that way at home. They have a system of play that revolves around fluid movement and interchangeable attackers.

Where Moyes has failed is not being able to get his attackers close enough to the lone frontmen to support him. Whether this is due to fear, players off-form, or a lack of tactical acumen is a debate best left alone.

What is clear is that we've been dominating possession in games this season and getting a lot of shots on goal. (apart from newcastle game) Our players are lacking the confidence at the moment to finish off some off these flowing moves.

Will this change by automatically sticking 1 more striker on top? I doubt it. But mark my words, when we get a lucky break or two and the goals start flowing, the players confidence will rise and we will see a 10-15 match unbeaten run.

I'm sincerely wishing it starts this weekend as the current atmosphere amongst the club and its supporters is mildly depressive.
Dave Southon
121   Posted 22/09/2010 at 07:30:35

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I have now had a chance to sleep on it.....

I still feel the same, DM please jog on.
Mike Green
122   Posted 22/09/2010 at 07:35:59

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Gerald Foo (121) - what a great post, good for you. Made me smile for the first time in about 10 hours!
Anthony Hughes
123   Posted 22/09/2010 at 07:50:05

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Gerald, it's right what you say about those top sides playing fluid interchanging formations with their attackers. Unfortunately they have players such as Drogba, Anelka, Malouda, Berbatov, Rooney, Villa, Iniesta, Messi, Ronaldo.

We are stuck with Beckford, Sicknote, Osman, Yakuba, Anichebe.

Paul Maguire
124   Posted 22/09/2010 at 09:45:19

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Everything just looks wrong at the moment. Bringing Bily on as a sub on the wing against Newcastle didn't and never will work - its not his position. He's a proven 'behind the front man' player. Heitinga shone as a stopper last season and Fellaini as the man in front of the defenders. Now Heitingas playing in midfield and Fellainis the 'behind the front man' man!! There aint that many injuries?? I'm worried at John Daley's (#120) comments - if there's any truth in that, and I hope not, then we have a problem. Another one.
Paul Maguire
125   Posted 22/09/2010 at 10:07:32

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This is how I'd do it, but then managing my pub side into 10th out of 11 this season, I wouldn't read to much into that!


Howard

Hibbert
Heitinga
Jagielka
Baines

Fellaini

Arteta
Rodwell (also backup for Heitinga)
Piernaar

Cahill/Bilyaletdinov (shared role)

Saha


Subs
Mucha
Coleman/.Hibbert
Osman/Gueye
Neville/Distin
Yakubu
Anichebe
Beckford
Rodwell
Gerald Foo
126   Posted 22/09/2010 at 10:37:10

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Anthony Hughes (124) - I know we don't have the superstars of the modern game that those aforementioned teams have. But when you have lemons, you try to make the best darn lemonade you can. Unfortunately, with insufficient ability comes inconsistency.

Obviously we have seen that formation work wonders (last season against Chelsea, Man U, Man City, etc), but we have also seen the horrible dross this season. What?s the difference? Confidence.
It?s the one ingredient that is sorely missing at the moment. It?s the factor which changes a net-bulging finish to a lame side-foot that trickles into the keeper?s arms (here?s looking at you Mr Osman). Cos when you?re in front of goal and an opportunity presents itself, it doesn?t matter if you were played out of position or not. It doesn?t matter if we have 2 up top or 11 up top. It comes down to composure and technique. Sadly, that seems to be lacking in almost every single player at the moment.

I do blame Moyes for not being able to find the right combination of players to fit what is surely a very intensively coached system. But its also partly down to the players themselves who at the moment do not seem to have the drive or determination to apply themselves and their abilities.
Anthony Hughes
127   Posted 22/09/2010 at 11:05:30

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I agree Gerald, our lemons are certainly lacking the will to go that bit extra so far this season.
Tony J Williams
128   Posted 22/09/2010 at 11:57:05

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Gerald, you will get nowhere with certain posters with your logic here.

I mean lets weaken our already dodgy looking midfield by going 4-4-2, smasking logic that. There is noone in that midfield who will put in a gutsy challenge anymore, that's why the teams are pissing right through the middle, so the answer? Let's have less in midfield....fecken genius.

Good point about the shooting (yep I too am looking at you Osman, put yer fecken laces through it lad) doesn't matter how many up front there is, if the useless tossers can't actually score
Tom Bowers
129   Posted 22/09/2010 at 14:08:16

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Most of the comments are sound and most of us are in agreement with what the problems are. We do play great football until we get to the final third and then it's the usual bad pass or the evergreen hoofball in the hope Fellaini or Cahill can deal with it.There are very little incisive through balls that the likes of Yakubu or Beckford would prefer and that is why they struggle. Osman is obsessed with receiving the ball(he very rarely wins it,if ever) and passing it 2 yards.
He was the worst player on the field against the Barcodes and yet never got substituted and the kept his place and played the full game last night. Funny how he is supposed to be an attacking midfielder but couldn't take a penalty? This is down to Moyes and he like all managers has to take the rap irrespective of who is available to take over.How many more matches do we give him using the same selection and strategies?
Martin Oneil is available?
Tony J Williams
130   Posted 22/09/2010 at 17:37:04

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Tom I actually think it was a toss up between Osman and Heitenger being the worst player on Saturday.

O'Neill has just left Villa because they were selling his players and not allowing him to buy, exactly why would he come to us then?
Tom Bowers
131   Posted 22/09/2010 at 18:32:58

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Tony you have a point but we need a change at the helm in order to change the mindset of this squad.What happened on Saturday and last night is not a blip and the squad needs inspiration to believe they can win games.We scored first last night and couldn't keep it against a team like Brentford even dodging a penalty but still unable to finish the job.This is a warning shot for Kenwright and if he doesn't act on this in some way then it's going to remain a dire season.
Andy Callan
132   Posted 23/09/2010 at 12:00:41

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Total waste of cash that then eh Chris. I could have told you that before the game.

You'd of been better off buyin' a fivers of speed bud, at least you'd have got the benefit of that....

We're fuckin' shite.
Tony J Williams
133   Posted 23/09/2010 at 14:29:38

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Tom, I feel your pain and instead of using the Charlton analogy, I will use the RedShite one. They thought The Daft fat Spanish Waiter was useless and changed the manager, not gone down too well with them has it?

And it is a blip, or are you suggesting that we always lose or draw?

The meaning of a blip is that it is out of the ordinary and it is. Last season there were only 4 teams who lost less games than us and therefore it is a blip, not the norm.

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