I have been hearing of rumours of a cut price deal for Pienaar (to Spurs) in January and wanted to weigh up the pros and cons to the deal.
He is undoubtedly a great footballer and one of our better players. If we were to turn the tables and say for a few million, we could have a class player for 6 months, we would take it. But in my opinion only if we are 'challenging'.
To my mind there is little point in keeping him; what he brings to the team will not bridge the gap to top 4 or possibly even the Europa League. We could also use the second half of the season as preparation for the life after...
Anyone else think we should just take the few million for him (transfer & wages) and make do?
Brett Bradshaw, Posted 23/09/2010 at 12:58:42
Note: the following content is not moderated or vetted by the site owners at the time of submission. Comments are the responsibility of the poster. Disclaimer
1 Posted 23/09/2010 at 14:59:53
He has had long enough to mull over the offer.
If he, or anyone else at the club are not happy then ship em out asap.
Its a bit late in the day now as it seems both he and the club have reached an impasse in what each side thinks he's worth.
I would rather get 50 quid for him in January than nought in the summer.
2 Posted 23/09/2010 at 15:10:38
3 Posted 23/09/2010 at 15:17:13
As for what players say to us and the media ? well in my opinion it's just a load of shit. We've been hearing numerous players coming out in recent weeks telling us that they'll soon turn it round, that they are too uptight, not relaxed enough, need more bite in midfield etc etc. Look where all these knowledgeable comments have got us ? nowhere.
In this day and age and with these financial restraints we all bear if Pienaar is so happy staying at the club then he should sign on the line or piss off to greener fields. The shit we've witnessed so far this season then we the supporters should be getting refunds!
4 Posted 23/09/2010 at 15:33:17
5 Posted 23/09/2010 at 15:35:02
Yes, the players should be doing better on the pitch and having a bit of pride and passion for the shirts they are wearing as, at the moment, the lack of passion and pride, they should fuck off across the park... but trying not to get side-tracked, in regards to Pienaar, one thing we get from him is consistency.
Yes, he hasn't been great this season but he's continuously trying to get involved and in the game. Pienaar likes passing the ball quickly and moving to get space and get the return ball and I've noticed this season (and the last couple) that he's getting frustrated coz 1) too many players are too slow (with the ball); 2) too many players lose the ball etc. I am seeing the frustration in Fellaini as well but at least Pienaar is still working hard to try and do something! He aint being a twat like Lescott was last season and just wasn't interested.
"If you were in talks with your employer for 6 months or more regarding employment. Your future undecided. Your employer - apparently - undervaluing what you think youre worth. Are you really telling me you'd be happy??" Pienaar has nothing to lose here. It's a win-win situation for him. Whether he is happy or not, at least he is coming out and saying the right things unlike his twat of an agent, or unlike Lescott or Rooney when they were linked away!
6 Posted 23/09/2010 at 15:45:02
7 Posted 23/09/2010 at 15:38:44
8 Posted 23/09/2010 at 16:08:03
9 Posted 23/09/2010 at 16:16:37
10 Posted 23/09/2010 at 16:21:15
11 Posted 23/09/2010 at 16:23:48
12 Posted 23/09/2010 at 16:33:03
As far as I am aware there is a contract there for him. If he was to sign it then great. If not, by January get rid.
This season is already turning into a disaster so him leaving is not biggie.
13 Posted 23/09/2010 at 16:46:53
However, the reason he is overated is because he is still by far out best footballer, took on the weight of the team during Artetas njury, and whether having a bad game or not, can still be seen to be at least trying. And get this - he knows it. He is fully entitled to ask for what Arteta is getting. Is there anybody in the squad capable of replacing him? Noone even close. And how much would it cost to replace him? More than we have for sure.
So as much as I would love to say let him go, he isn't good enough to move us to the next level (insert 'what, move us out of the relegation zone?' jokes here), unfortunately right now, he's the best we've got. Sign him up!
14 Posted 23/09/2010 at 16:59:58
15 Posted 23/09/2010 at 17:02:44
16 Posted 23/09/2010 at 17:04:04
17 Posted 23/09/2010 at 17:28:20
18 Posted 23/09/2010 at 18:35:20
19 Posted 23/09/2010 at 18:50:52
Much as he is doing this season actually.
Arteta is the far superior player and thankfully we have him signed up.
20 Posted 23/09/2010 at 19:20:49
Do you remember how bad we were early on last season when we didn't have Pienaar and Arteta available. Without these two the team really would be in trouble. Let's just pay Pienaar what we now pay Arteta.
What we need to do is get Vaughan back asap and play him, play Coleman right midfield and put Heitinga in the defence. Quite simple really but something too complicated for our simple manager!
21 Posted 23/09/2010 at 19:28:57
22 Posted 23/09/2010 at 20:17:53
Pienaar however, can play centre or out wide. As long as he's not asking for more than anyone else I'd happily offer the contract. As for whether he's worth it I guess we'll learn that in January. If he moves, clearly someone will have met his valuation and wage demands. My guess would be he'll have no problem finding a club willing to accommodate him.
23 Posted 23/09/2010 at 20:36:37
24 Posted 23/09/2010 at 20:17:29
I agree with what Ged says ? Pienaar should be given the same sort of contract as Arteta. In my opinion, Arteta has been our best player for a number of years now but he hasn't been the same since his injury, I actually think Pienaar is looking the better of the two recently although neither have played as good as we've seen before.
It makes sense to give Pienaar his contract as it will also give Everton the option of selling him for a good fee if any offers come in for him. I would definitely NOT get rid of him in January,I mean what's three million ? fuck all! No, give him his contract and if he gets back to his best then we could get good offers for him and then decide wether to sell him or not.
I also agree with Ged about players in their right positions, Heitinga ? centre back; Fellaini ? defensive midfielder; Coleman ? right wing, and why not two strikers for once in a 4-4-2? I feel that if there is any chance of these things happening then it will be after Moyes has stubbornly proved that we can win with the shit formation and choice of players he is continually picking.
25 Posted 23/09/2010 at 21:26:15
Lets make sure Pienaar leaves. That will balance the team. Fuck all on the left or right.
26 Posted 24/09/2010 at 00:10:26
27 Posted 24/09/2010 at 00:24:00
On the debate about him being as important as Arteta / less important. Weeeeell... He is important, but for different reasons. They are different players. Both skillful, but Arteta dictates the game when on the ball, Pienaar's give and go / non stop movement game equally contributes to Everton's passing game when we are in full flow. As for goals, well, they aren't always the most important thing from a midfielder are they? Thin about Roy Keane - hardly prolific...
28 Posted 24/09/2010 at 05:48:46
29 Posted 24/09/2010 at 10:00:52
30 Posted 24/09/2010 at 10:20:52
Oh, and Bentley, better player? No more drugs for that man!
31 Posted 24/09/2010 at 10:52:10
32 Posted 24/09/2010 at 10:52:37
33 Posted 24/09/2010 at 10:59:08
34 Posted 24/09/2010 at 11:42:13
35 Posted 24/09/2010 at 12:50:50
36 Posted 24/09/2010 at 13:04:58
As i said he can carry the ball quickly but sometimes some of us fans may overate our players, the constant use of the phrase world class is a joke in relation to its use sometimes. I think i heard Fellaini being described as the best midfielder in Europe at one point.Yes we have good players but lets take it easy with the over exhuberant adjectives.
37 Posted 24/09/2010 at 13:07:56
On a seperate note, seeing as we have bugger all on the right side of midfield, I'd actually like to see Mikkey back out there. I know vertually everyone will disagree, but he has much more opportunity to be creative out there. He'll give the right-back plenty of chances to get on the overlap, and more importantly, will pick him out if the move is on. Osman thankfully won't be playing tomorrow, so lets see someone claim his place, and keep hold of it.
Come on Blue Boys... time for 3 points at the Cottage tomorrow.
38 Posted 24/09/2010 at 13:56:01
39 Posted 24/09/2010 at 13:58:35
40 Posted 24/09/2010 at 14:07:03
Pienaar is naturally right footed afterall.
I would like to see them attack with a central striker and Cahill behind. With Arteta providing, Felli covering.
Add Your Comments
In order to post a comment to the MailBag, you need to be logged in as a registered user of the site.
Or Sign up as a ToffeeWeb Member — it's free, takes just a few minutes and will allow you to post your comments on articles and MailBag submissions across the site.