Regardless of what we think of Jagielka's performance this season ? and it has been pretty so-so to say the least, he was picked for the present England squad. He is an integral part of our team and now, on England duty, he's injured.
This may affect, big-style, our team/selection ? not only for the derby but for other games. What compensation, if any, do we get from the FA... and is it adequate?
Yes he may get injured training at Finch Farm, and that's tough, but he didn't. Some of us like the lads playing internationals... some don't. This is one reason not to.
John Keating, Posted 08/10/2010 at 21:20:09
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1 Posted 09/10/2010 at 09:02:30
Then with Neville at RB freeing up midfield places for proper mid fielders
Coleman, Fellaini, Arteta, Osman as the elastic diamond.
Cahill or Bily depending on fitness, in the hole and the yak up front.
I could live with that, with the worry that yet again it takes injuries to force upon Moyes, a workable formation that has sq pegs in sq holes.
2 Posted 09/10/2010 at 09:21:59
3 Posted 09/10/2010 at 10:43:46
Other teams like Chelsea, Man Utd , Man city and Spurs have large squads of first class players and are better able to weather the inevitable injury and suspension situations.
It just highlights the lack of investment and foresight of our board....and this is not a new modern predicament.
Even when winning championship trophies in the past we have always allowed our teams to break up and we have never attempted to create success in the long term.
So long as ambition is missing and investment a pipe dream then we cannot expect much more than survival.......
4 Posted 09/10/2010 at 10:51:52
5 Posted 09/10/2010 at 10:56:44
6 Posted 09/10/2010 at 11:26:57
Think we will miss Jags but Johnny was arguably our best defender all last season.
7 Posted 09/10/2010 at 11:48:53
I think with Heitinga's distribution and as long as Distin behaves himself it'll result in us keeping the ball even more and keeping the pressure on a poor Liverpool side.
8 Posted 09/10/2010 at 11:56:39
I agree with the above that, with Jagielka's injury, Moyes will be forced to play Heitinga in his best position and, although I think Jags is a better defender, Heitinga playing the ball out of defence makes us a better team. It does piss me off that it takes injuries to make Moyes pick the right side.
9 Posted 09/10/2010 at 12:12:57
10 Posted 09/10/2010 at 12:10:20
11 Posted 09/10/2010 at 12:15:18
12 Posted 09/10/2010 at 13:56:45
13 Posted 09/10/2010 at 14:26:58
African football authorities are shooting themselves in the foot by staging the AFCON in the middle of domestic seasons all over the world. All these internationals should be in the close season. The domestic seasons could be condensed without these break to make room for it.
Is Jags really out of the derby? Let's hope somebody breaks creasehead's leg in Tuesday's game.
14 Posted 09/10/2010 at 14:48:19
I agree that this could be a blessing in disguise. I think that Heitinga and Distin are a well balanced pairing for reasons that have been elaborated numerously on this forum.
In the long run, this could be a classic case of Moyes playing his best players (Jagielka and Heitinga) in their best positions through no fault of his own.
15 Posted 09/10/2010 at 14:53:28
16 Posted 09/10/2010 at 14:58:10
Also... how is Jags getting injured in a Euro qualifier training session linked to the Afcon?
I still believe, like with Rugby an Cricket, that domestic play shoull not be susended when there is an international game. This would encourage cubs not to have a squad of 25 internationals, but a blend. It would help create a more level playing field.
17 Posted 09/10/2010 at 15:26:50
"Yeah Ray, those Africans getting in the way of us European good christian white folk... "
Would you care to expand on that statement.
18 Posted 09/10/2010 at 17:03:32
19 Posted 09/10/2010 at 17:27:42
I would again say that Jags will be missed as he is out for at least a month and possibly longer. Heitinga and Fellaini will get their share of absences due to suspensions...
20 Posted 09/10/2010 at 18:02:27
The England team has become a symbol of all that is wrong with English football:
1/ There are so many players in it that just get right up my nose. Terry, Cole, Lampard, Rooney, Gerrard, Lescott, Ferdinand, Crouch, Barry etc. All money grabbing, cheating bastards who the man in the street has very little in common with. And it's all very well saying that you'd take £150k a week and shag around if you could, because actually you are not in that situation are you? These cocks are and yet they have no class, no morals, no gratitude, no nothing.
2/ The Manager is another overpaid, underperforming waste of space, being paid more than double any other international manager in world football. And, he's not English, so again it's not easy to relate to him or believe he really cares thne same as we do ( did ).
3/ The people who follow England are in the main a mix of old time hooligans who refuse to grow up, glory hunting small time yobs from places like Grimsby, Shrewsbury and Carlisle and the odious and ignorant new age Sky fan who believe football revolves around Jeff Stelling and the SKY 4 and drive round with silly little flags on their cars and 20 foot wide flags draped across their rooftops when a tournament is on. Again, I can't identify with these people.
I'd rather watch a Scotland or Ireland game or even an Australia or USA game where at least the players seem to be there for national pride and the right reasons not just to screw more money out of everybody. They are often underdogs and their fans go to away games in hope and for a generally fun time, not to lord it over the locals, smash up bars and behave like knobheads whilst complaining to 606 in droves if we don't put 9 goals past Macedonia.
21 Posted 09/10/2010 at 17:46:32
But I do look forward to the European nations having a massive rethink regarding the European Championships being played in the middle of many European seasons.
22 Posted 10/10/2010 at 22:50:44
If you don't want to support England fine. But don't try and label those of us that do as ignorant, glory hunting thugs, that is basically as bad as calling me a kopite.
23 Posted 11/10/2010 at 21:03:11
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