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I'm sitting here watching Liverpool get away with murder (as usual) but also thinking there is some billionaire who is sitting at home waiting to be sold to...

Look over the park, Peter, there is another club, with another great history and no debt (in comparison). Err Bill get on the phone to Singapore billionaire Peter Lim.

£300 Million could catapult Everton ahead of everyone and it's all about the future not the past? Who's with me but are Everton missing a massive PR opportunity to investors by coming out publicy and saying "We are as good as anyone to buy, come and get us." Or am I deluded?
Tim Muzio, London     Posted 13/10/2010 at 22:12:43

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Robert Daniels
1   Posted 13/10/2010 at 22:54:10

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Tim,

With £320M, Mr Lim could buy Everton and fund a new stadium, and give Moyes money for new players. But our beloved leader won't let it happen; or maybe can't let it happen, it's probably not his decision.
Howard Don
2   Posted 13/10/2010 at 22:52:15

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Unfortunately Tim the following applies:-

LFC + Masive debt + approaching insovency + crisis situation + worldwide brand = Always going to find significant investment.

EFC + Solvency + great history - worldwide brand = virtually no significant interest.

But who knows Mr Lim just might fancy a challenge (and a bit of revenge?).

I live in hope - or do I ??? Not sure.
Charles King
3   Posted 13/10/2010 at 23:08:08

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Well if BK would ring him, what an incentive for Davey boy to send the lads out all guns blazing.

A thumping win, Goodison rocking what an easier sell that'd make.
Simon Watts
4   Posted 14/10/2010 at 00:05:23

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I think that nothing will happen. It's amazing how everyone knows about Liverpool's investors. We just get a piece on the website saying., "People have been to invest, but all of them have run off, and we are not telling you who they are, and how amazing that these people keep running off". That is all Everton fans get.

We just get told that Bill Kenwright says that some investors are bad, and we have to take his word, and then he won't tell us anything. Maybe it is Bill Kenwright's terms that are doing this. I would like to hear these investors' stories rather than no names, and a random apology on the website for no reason.

Tommy Gibbons
5   Posted 14/10/2010 at 00:15:13

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Simon, I know Bill ain't a saint but he ain't a devil either... Investors who are interested in buying ALWAYS go to the press if they believe it will help the purchase. So when Bill and his mouthpieces state there ain't been any 'serious' investors, he's not telling lies. The RS debacle proves it!
Ciaran Duff
6   Posted 14/10/2010 at 00:21:24

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Personally, I don't know why anyone in their right mind would "invest" in a football club. The costs are high, the competitive environment is tough and not easy to control, so, the chances of making a profit or even getting your money back are pretty slim. Most of the "minor" investments (eg Portsmouth) have failed miserably. The two biggest investments (Liverpool & Man Utd) have ended up with huge amounts of debt and, let's face it, they are two of the biggest clubs in the world.

The only "model" that seems to work is the ego-driven billionaire who is not "investing" but prepared to plow huge amounts of their own money into a club. They are not expecting to make a profit but seem to do it for the sake of their ego or profile. Chelski & Man City fit into that category. Not sure what happens if the billionaire loses interest or gets into trouble (eg ex-Thai PM at City).

I can see why we do not fall into either category above and, to be honest, neither of the above really appeal to me. As far as I can see, there is no easy money available to EFC. It will take a lot of hard work and maybe some luck for us to keep dragging ourselves up by our bootstraps. For example, if we are to build a new stadium, it will only happen if we can manage to grab on to somebody else's coat tails (a la DK) as part of some larger development.

No one ever said it was going to be easy following Everton but, for me anyway, that's part of the appeal.

Eric Myles
7   Posted 14/10/2010 at 02:20:59

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You're deluded Tim if you think that BK is interested in selling.
James Flynn
8   Posted 14/10/2010 at 03:22:52

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Does Bill even have to get on the phone? Look, "North West Football Awards in Manchester on Monday... The Blues also received the award for Best Marketing Campaign".

And some of us thought he wasn't doing a good job. Tsk, tsk.
Matt Traynor
9   Posted 14/10/2010 at 04:34:05

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The reason Peter Lim wanted to invest the £360M into Liverpool is they are huge in Asia. They were the most popular team when the Premier League was launched, and the true globalisation of the English game commenced.

At the risk of stereotyping, a lot of these Asian businessmen are astute, and the whole branding thing is still at an early stage here in terms of recognition of its value in business.

Aside from a few, there aren't many philanthropists out here. Their main goal of making money is to make more. He would've seen a return on his Liverpool investment.

Asia also is success-obsessed. The only way for Everton to break through that is to start winning pots. Chelsea emerged quickly in Asia through Abramovich's money leading to trophies leading to exposure. Catch 22 on that one.
Sean Regan
10   Posted 14/10/2010 at 06:49:58

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Personally I don't think it'll make a blind bit of difference who comes in for Liverpool, they're just too much of a basket case at the moment.

As for us, do we really want to sell our souls for the promise of instant success? After everything we've seen happen to Liverpool, surely it's obvious that we're better weathering the storm and seeing how the league pans out over the next few years. If the likes of United and Liverpool start imploding under their debt burdens then we should be sitting fairly comfortable. I reckon Arsenal are thinking the same thing.
Anthony Hughes
11   Posted 14/10/2010 at 07:49:49

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I fail to see how we are sitting comfortably, who knows how many millions in debt, an ageing dilapidated stadium with no chance of a new one being built, never any money for bringing in new players unless we ship out one of our better players and no sign of any sort of money coming into the club. We are a club standing still at best and any sort of advancement from clubs around us will lead to us going backwards.
Alan Williams
12   Posted 14/10/2010 at 08:05:06

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Again, and again I?m seeing this crap about BK and the fact he doesn?t want to sell that?s why we haven?t been taken over!!

Please understand the simple FACT that he doesn?t own EFC ? he is by a very small margin just the major shareholder on around 27% of the company. That means there is another 73% with other people like Mr Woods, Grantchester and obviously private holders. BK has very little cash, most of his wealth is through shares and his Theatre activities. Some people say he is only worth £10 million so obviously he has creditors all over the place.

Other major shareholders, some Directors, some not, have a collective wealth of around £800 million yet I don?t see any of you personally abusing them, may I ask why not? Start with the Granchester?s (£500 million) then Woods or even Earl, all estimated pots over £100 million, yet you choose to attack the Chairman who takes no salary or expenses out of EFC.

Yes BK may be acting as a front for some of the others, namely Earl, but money talks and if an offer was real then the process would look after itself and frankly we haven?t even got past due diligence so that tells you we are not an attractive purchase. Just look how much G&H have taken out of LFC in the form of expenses ? it's an eye-opener.

Thereafter, be thankful we have BK; he is by no means perfect and has made mistakes. EFC debit was logged at £37 million last accounts, that figure can easily be reduced by player sales. Sheffield Wednesday went bust last Friday with debit of £30 million!! It?s not great at EFC but believe me it could be a lot worse. COYB

Steve Cotton
13   Posted 14/10/2010 at 08:24:49

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If this was the LFC website, some bright spark would have found Peter Lim's direct email and suggested that 10,000 red fans petition him about buying their club... However, we are Blues and the most we will do is tut and say, "Wouldn't it be great if..."

Let's be proactive ourselves, Peter Lim probably thinks we are small time because we are. Make a difference and find him and pester him until he sees the irony of owning the better team in Merseyside for a quarter the price...

Over to you, clever lads.

Jason Heng
14   Posted 14/10/2010 at 08:23:16

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I'm from Singapore and can attest that Peter Lim is indeed well reputed as a shrewd businessman. His is a story of rags to riches, and his wealth was made as a famed remiser.

He will not try £300-odd million on Everton for certain. But he will certainly consider putting in £100 million IF the board is able to convince him of a reasonable yield for his investment.

You may wish to know also that Peter Lim is publicly known as a Man U fan, and in his stable of businesses is the chain of Red Devils bar and cafe in this part of the world. If you can live with that...
David Hallwood
15   Posted 14/10/2010 at 08:35:55

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The fantasists on this site are getting worse, maybe it's the frustration of not getting anyone to lob xxx million at our beloved club. Let's examine the latest "Bill's a bastard and doesn't want to sell" posts. How did we hear about Peter Lim's offer, simple, we read about it in the press. Walddorf and Statler announce that the club is up for sale, this prompts bids from several sources. They are widely reported in the press. Why? Because the bidder's PR people will release it; honestly, people, it's that simple ? no conspiracy.

Our beloved chairman also announces that the club is for sale, the result ? nothing. Now either evil blue Bill has more of a stranglehold on the media than Murdoch, or there has been no bids. The fact that anyone out there seriously believes that bids can be kept secret, when they've watched the takeovers of a dozen clubs, at times makes me despair for my fellow man. BTW I am not a BK supporter.
Sam Hoare
16   Posted 14/10/2010 at 09:02:02

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Surely the Liverpool debacle is proof yet again that the sugar daddy scenario ain't quite so sweet as it's cracked up to be!! They got pretty close to going into administration there.

We would all love a Toffee-loving billionaire to pop up and decided to pump the money in but realistically it's not going to happen any time soon.

There aren't any Abramovichs or Sheik Mansours left. Just businessmen looking to squeeze a buck, and quite rightly Bill knows the potential pitfalls of them, being one himself.
Steve Cotton
17   Posted 14/10/2010 at 09:12:23

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I just found a quote on the teamtalk site by a RS fan imploring all other RS fans to e.mail the judge in Texas telling him of their disgust...

gryphon1 (Liverpool): This is the phone number of the judge +1214653727. this is the e-mail of the judge: info@judgejimjordan.com, website is www.judgejimjordan.com. Suspect Hicks may be a campaign contributor of the judge. PLEASE email / call to make your opinions known as a Liverpool fan.

They will make a deal with the devil himself if it brings glory to their dying team..
Craig Taylor
18   Posted 14/10/2010 at 09:12:13

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Let's remember also that Peter Lim has made his money by owning a massive chain of Man Utd themed pubs in Asia. Everton do not have that sort of fan base in Asia; Liverpool do. And he wouldn't even need to repaint the walls!!

But my serious point is, he isn't interested in the club at all. BK wants someone (supposedly) who loves the club as much as the business. Seems he thinks he is that man!!
Ray Robinson
19   Posted 14/10/2010 at 09:18:20

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Speaking as someone who has never made a return on investment and has managed to sell what few shares I ever possessed at the wrong time, I would echo Ciaran's opening sentiment (#6). I could only imagine investing in a big town club that has potential to reach a higher level. So for me, clubs like Nottingham Forest and Bristol City might be worth a punt because they can achieve something considerably better than they currently offer.

If Everton owned their own ground, then yes, they'd be a promising bet. As that ain't going to happen, we've just got to wait for the PL to implode before we can ever compete again.

I'm not laughing (too much) at the Liverpool situation as I don't know how solvent WE really are. However, I think it may be a case of "out of the frying pan, into the fire" for LFC. I've never really known any "altruistic" American investors, have you? This new set of owners, assuming they circumvent the injunction, don't appear to have enough serious money for LFC to compete at the top end ? Which is about as good as it gets for Everton at the moment.

Alan Clarke
20   Posted 14/10/2010 at 09:39:12

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These investors in Liverpool all want one thing ? to make a profit. As much as we hate it, Liverpool are a worldwide brand. We are not. Despite their debt, they still have far more potential to make their investors money.

At some point soon, I think we'll be in the same situation as Spain with football clubs owning their own rights to TV coverage. Because of the interest in Liverpool worldwide, any investor is set to make a huge amount of money from their TV rights. This is one of the reasons Hicks is fighting so hard to keep control ? he knows how much Liverpool will be worth in the future.

Because of decades of mismanagement at Everton, we're nowhere near the global brand that they are... so, despite our comparitvely low levels of debt, we're still not an attractive proposition.
Mike Oates
21   Posted 14/10/2010 at 10:36:26

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Tim ? you're deluded.

There are now 5 English clubs who are deemed good investments ? normal Top 4 and now Spurs. That's it, forget the mega rich buying into Everton. We are not a world brand and we don't reside in the bright lights of London.
Mike Hargreaves
22   Posted 14/10/2010 at 11:32:09

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Well I'm here in Singapore for a few weeks so if Bill wants me to go and see Peter and sell the brand all he has to do is call. Funny thing though. Peter Lim also owns a chain of bars called 'Manchester United' here in Singapore
Mac Lloyd
23   Posted 14/10/2010 at 12:20:25

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I'm still amazed some people on this site are desperate for a sale to "anyone with a few quid". I'm not here to praise or knock Kenwright but haven't you been watching the circus over the park? Do you really want something like that to happen to our club?

Man City was a one-off, everyone else is looking for a re-sale buck. I'm happier being skint.
Andy Codling
24   Posted 14/10/2010 at 12:51:52

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Let's not forget that we are not for sale, so I'm getting bored of these threads.
Phil Martin
25   Posted 14/10/2010 at 13:23:36

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The club isn't for sale.
Richard Dodd
26   Posted 14/10/2010 at 14:10:42

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Yea, let`s sell out to the first millionaire who comes into town from Texas ? and land the Club in the shit our neighbours now occupy. The naivity of some posters amazes me!
Mike Elbey
27   Posted 14/10/2010 at 14:54:21

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Liverpool want a buyer. We want an investor ? two different things. Kenwright wants someone to give him money whilst he remains in power.
Gavin Ramejkis
28   Posted 14/10/2010 at 16:22:10

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Doddy, we cant sell out to anyone, Yank or Martian as your beloved Black Bill
a - isn't in charge; and
b - the club isn't for sale

Your naivity is a running joke every time you post.

Will the cuckolds suck in their necks for a moment and let the penny drop that the auld arses (myself firmly included) are not looking for the mythical billionaire or BK to be flamed a la the whickerman (as satisfying as it would be) but a better businessman or woman with an ounce of acumen to take the club forward and develop something remotely like a medium- and long-term business strategy to exploit existing and develop new revenue streams ? something BK hasn't done for a decade.
Steve Edwards
29   Posted 14/10/2010 at 16:31:44

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Thats all very well Gavin but how do you know that you have someone who will do all that for the club? We all should know by now that new owners equates to big gamble. Remember all the ballywho when H&G took over at Liverpool. What they were not going to do wasn't worth talking about. We are now getting it again with the latest carpetbaggers.

I was one who was screaming out for a new owner. Now I'm not so sure. The only way it seems to work is if you become a play thing for the mega rich and then you have to hope they don't get bored. I know its frustrating watching the likes of Chelsea and City but frankly it should never have been allowed to happen in this country in the first place. This foreign ownership lark is a national disgrace and wouldn't be allowed to happen in other counties. In the long term it will destroy the game here and its quite simply built on greed short term gain.
Tom Bowers
30   Posted 14/10/2010 at 17:02:24

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Let;s face it guys and gals Liverpool are in dire straits and willing to sell just to clear the debts and that is why some companies are getting in now with low bids.Hicks and Gillette know the valuation and now stand to lose massively if the sale is not stopped.Everton on the other hand are in decent shape and are not threatened with bankruptcy so why panic and expect to be sold at a knockdown price just because we don't have the cash flow to buy overpriced players and pay them ridiculously high wages ala Chelski.Okay the Ruskie has endless assets to do that but when he gets tired of his toys and goes home the they too will suffer.Shrewd buying and management seems the wisest option in these financially volatile times.
Dan Brierley
31   Posted 14/10/2010 at 17:29:30

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Refreshing to see so many people talking sense regarding the current state of football affairs. Dundee are the latest team to go under, these are really dark days.

Taking a relegation battling team and turning them into a solid squad frequently tasting European football, incurring only around £40 million debt deserves a medal, not the continual abuse that we see on here.

Will this current management team take us to title glory? I dont think so, no. But have they restored the credibility of our club, and made us feel proud again? For the majority, yes.

I'd rather be on the footing when finally getting took over, as opposed to selling up as you are about to get put into administration..

David Price
32   Posted 14/10/2010 at 19:00:16

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Just need some legal clarifications here.

Say you were selling your house, so you go to an estate agent to find a buyer. The estate agent agrees a deal with a mate of theirs, a passer by knocks on the door and offers a decent sum for the house. Considerably more than the estate agents mate. The estate agent offers the house to his mate and ignores the higher bid. You complain, stating a scam. The estate agent takes your house off you, kicks you out into the street and sells it to his mate. You go to court and the judge rules against you and in favour of the estate agent.

So you go for a drink to drown your sorrows, only to see the owner of the bar refuse to play some requested tunes and gets seven bells punched out of him, which is filmed on CCTV, the attacker is arrested, only for the judge to dismiss the case and applaud his good character.

After going home and watching an FA information video, ?How to be a top class referee? you are totally confused by the contributions made by Mark Clattenburg and Clive Thomas and the examples shown involving some red v blues teams.

So... has anyone got any idea what the fuck is going on?
Darren Dempsey
33   Posted 14/10/2010 at 21:01:14

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Steve Cotton (#13). You're spot on, mate, we aren't pro-active ? we all just sit back take all the crap we are fed and then take some more and than rant on websites. Say what you want about the RS gobshites but they've helped get shut of agents Hicks and Gillet!

But, at the end of the day, we aren't for sale, as the fat Spanish waiter would say... FACT! COYB

Robert Lam
34   Posted 15/10/2010 at 00:36:13

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Chairman Bill, Peter Lim sounds bitter about the cold shoulder treatment from LFC. Now get on the phone and woo him.
Roy Coyne
35   Posted 16/10/2010 at 00:39:01

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Gavin# 28,why try and talk sense to Doddy who I am sure is a decent guy but like a lot of our fans he has a blind spot for Bill,good post but some people just dont get it.

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