Great victory today, the look on Caragher's & Gerrard's faces throughout the game was one of the highlights for me, as were the performances by Cahill, Arteta and some of those players who have been getting stick recently: Distin, Ossie and The Yak who I thought had a great game in the first half, but maybe tired as the game neared its conclusion. All of the above seemed up for it.
But I am sure there are many letters on this and I wanted to discuss something else ? Diniyar Bilyaletdinov.
When he joined last season, I thought he had some ok games, he of course scored some important and great goals and I had high hopes that, following a long break in the summer, following the much published fact that he had not had a break for 18 months or so, he would come back as a main player for us. I saw a few pre-season games and he looked again okay, although I thought he looked the part against Norwich, but once the season has started, again it has just not happened. For me today was the final straw.
When I see players with so called lesser talent giving their all and tackling back, tracking the play, diving in to block anything they can, then I watch Bily and his slow, uninterested play it makes my blood boil. He had been on for about 5-10 mins today and I was watching the way every time Liverpool went forward he backed off and off and just let them run at him.
Then you see the likes of Cahill, Arteta, even bloody Yak chasing everything back who had already played a half and there he is wandering about. It didn?t take long for Liverpool to notice this and it got to the point where every attack was coming down our left and poor old Baines was trying to deal with the onslaught on his own.
Bily is almost a step behind the play, sticking out a leg in a vain effort to tackle and then just watching the ball go past him. I actually felt like we were playing with ten men and it is no coincidence that Liverpool came more into the game when he come on. (Yes, I know we scored around this time, but at the point Liverpool were attacking us.)
I don?t know what it is, but it is just not working out. Yes he is not playing in his correct position ? just behind the attacker, but really with the effort he put in I wouldn?t even have him on the bench. I mean compare young Seamus today with Bily and it is unbelievable that the youngster is the less experienced player.
I don?t like to turn on a player and even though I don?t like what Johnny H has been saying recently at least he seemed to be up for the cause today, it is just with Bily, I think the time has come to move him on.
At the end of the day sometimes things do not work out, there is no rhyme or reason, but a player does not settle or does not show what he can really do and I think this is the case with Billy. One of the most frustrating things is that I could see him going somewhere else and showing he is really a world class player....
Marc Davis, Posted 17/10/2010 at 20:36:36
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1 Posted 18/10/2010 at 04:51:33
2 Posted 18/10/2010 at 05:01:01
He can do magic to turn a game in a few minutes but stands with his hands on his hips for the rest of the time.
Unacceptable in the modern game as Berbatov found out.
3 Posted 18/10/2010 at 05:07:21
To me he is the sort of mercurial talent that you can only afford to bring on when you are 3 or 4 up with 15 mins to go (including time added on ), to see if he can add to the tally
4 Posted 18/10/2010 at 07:32:03
And the bad news is that we paid buttons for McF and got a decent profit back.
Blini, for thats what he is, will be the otherway around.
Get rid in Jan just to free up his wages for Donovan.
5 Posted 18/10/2010 at 08:52:41
6 Posted 18/10/2010 at 08:44:51
7 Posted 18/10/2010 at 09:08:14
It's just like us Evertonians, we comprehensively beat the Redshite and what do we do? We have a go at a player who came on for a half... and to me put in a few tasty challenges and got down the wing well.
I suppose we couldn't have a go at Ossie as he was man of the match until half time and Hibbert only played 15 mins... who's next... oh yeah, that Bily, he's crap isn't he?
It's like the Cahill's crap apart from his goals comments.
Enjoy the satisfactory win and leave the complaining until after the euphoria of this game has had a chance to fade.
8 Posted 18/10/2010 at 10:12:47
9 Posted 18/10/2010 at 10:49:03
Bilyaletdinov has the talent, but f**k knows whats going on in his head. the writings not on the wall yet though, with Pienaar injured I hope he gets two or three starts in a row now.
10 Posted 18/10/2010 at 11:20:29
11 Posted 18/10/2010 at 12:07:42
12 Posted 18/10/2010 at 11:30:05
As for Bily, those type of players sometimes never adapt to English football but if he does he'll be great.
13 Posted 18/10/2010 at 12:45:41
Unlike Mr Beckford...
14 Posted 18/10/2010 at 12:46:02
Naturally you should be looking to improve and the comments reflect this. Some players just don't suit Premier League and it's looking like Bily is one of them.
15 Posted 18/10/2010 at 12:51:29
...how often has he had the chance to play in his true position? We all saw that Osman can operate in that free role on the left (made free due to the excellent Baines). Why not Bily - has he really had a decent run in any position other than playing as Hibbert's wide man? The second half yesterday was over once Arteta struck after 4 minutes.
Yes, pretty crap excuses for him... but I'd like to see him get a go ahead of Baines from the start and genuinely see if he can cut it.
16 Posted 18/10/2010 at 13:27:05
I wonder what the fuck Moyes saw in him to make him pay £8 million (??).
17 Posted 18/10/2010 at 15:59:55
People are saying sell him and buy donovan,but in all honesty he didnt actually play that many games and he had some pretty poor performances in a couple!!
18 Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:48:34
19 Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:36:09
He reminds me of me playing football, always a split second behind everybody else on the pitch, and looking like I am going to fall over even when I haven't got the ball. Granted I am total Sh1te and compared to me he is a footballing God but I don't play in the Premiership.
In relation to his attitude, I do believe he gives a shit, it's just that he is wither entirely clueless suffering from a crisis of confidence (you tell me which). I don't agree on any level that he is a world class player as much as I hate to say it, if we could get half of what we paid for him, I would sell him in January and use this money to keep Pienaar. However, I think we would be lucky to get 2.5 million so i can't see him going in the near future. Lets hope all of us doubters are proved wrong in the next few months - I do doubt it though.
20 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:10:18
I recall loads on here calling Fellaini a useless lummox and to similarly 'get rid'. I believe Billy has the quality in him to come good as his 'goal of the season' againt Manure demonstrated
21 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:13:48
You want us to sell Bily and sell the Yak in another thread.
And while we are at it that Arteta is shite, sell him too.
22 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:11:59
He is not the type of player who runs around and puts tackles in but he won a few good headers yesterday and him and him and Osman are obviously vying for the same place in the team.
He wont get in over Pienaar when hes back but Pienaar is more than likely going to leave and maybe then Bily will get his chance.
i have never known so many people to complain about a player after just winning a game.
23 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:35:23
Most of our better wins have been with him in the side.
24 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:18:34
When going forward, his runs were unintelligent. When he got the ball, perhaps becauase of lack of pace or his predicatability, he tended to run up blind alleys. I had hoped that, like Fellaini, he would get into the swing of it after a season, but I see no signs at all that this is happening.
Clearly it is a matter for D Moyes and his team to assess the potential contribution, but on current form he does not even look like a squad player. This is not glass-half-empty syndrome, but as has been pointed out by others ? our style of play does not allow for passengers.
25 Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:23:32
26 Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:35:52
At this time, Bily is not delivering. If we bring him on he has to at least improve on the player he replaces; unfortunately, since joining, apart from an odd moment, he has failed.
27 Posted 18/10/2010 at 19:57:39
28 Posted 18/10/2010 at 20:32:34
29 Posted 18/10/2010 at 20:31:55
30 Posted 19/10/2010 at 11:39:20
Sensible post. I think he's a luxury player but an off the pace luxury player. I also think he gets flummoxed when asked to hold shape and position. Therein is the big problem; we're a very rigid unit under Moyes, and flair players don't work.
I don't know if Bily is simply crap or he just isn't showing what he can do, but the fact is Moyes is going to be here a lot longer than Bily is (like it or not), and if he can't offer us anything tactically there's no point waiting for him to "come good".
I'd be very surprised if he weren't moved on in January. I guess it all depends on the Pienaar situation, but even if he goes I can't see much benefit in keeping Bily at the expense of selling him and trying someone new.
31 Posted 19/10/2010 at 12:36:36
+ The Yak is a fat lump of lard - get rid.
+ Distin - Hopeless against Utd - get rid.
+ Cahill - Past his best - get rid.
+ Osman - Manager's favourite - get rid
+ Fellaini - Too many yellow cards - get rid
+ Heitinga - Mouthing off in the press - get rid
+ Baines - Too small for crosses - get rid
+ Jags - Too much hoofball - get rid
+ Moyes - Too defensive - get rid
+ Kenwringht - Big fat liar - get rid
Ya get the picture fellas?
32 Posted 19/10/2010 at 19:19:47
Short./medium term, when our predictable and sporadic injury crises leave us lack in wide men/midfielders, Bily could come in very handy. And long term, if we ever get back into Europe it would be good to have strength in depth.
People have short memories. Let's not forget he scored a peach against Manure last season and has produced a few other moments to savour on top of that.
I think he'd be more of a player whereever he was playing (with us or another club) if he ever got a decent run in the side.
I've never been one to slag off any Everton player and I think Bily has the potential to do a much more useful job on the wing than Ozzie, who I feel tends to play better in a more central role.
Bily has class, no question, and even if he's not in the side now we'd be mad to get rid because you never know when he might come up with another belter against one of the "big boys."
For crying out loud, we thought we'd be struggling to fill the bench on Sundaty - let's not go cutting back on what we have.
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