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Tim Cahill is now undoubtedly an Everton Legend! Discuss!

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This has prompted much debate on Toffeeweb in the last couple of months.

Here are some important stats:

49 goals in 168 league matches. 60 goals in 208 gams (all competitions for Everton).

This season he has scored 4 league goals in 7 appearances and a couple of very important assists, it can be argued that he has won us possibly 7/8 of our points this season.

He has also just become our post-war leading goal scorer in derby matches. That in itself justifies legend status. He ought, genuinely in my opinion to be regarded as a true Everton legend.
James Cadwaladr, Chester     Posted 18/10/2010 at 08:46:39

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Helikaon Bow
1   Posted 18/10/2010 at 13:48:11

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I have to agree with you. Plus he has sold the everton brand abroad... lots of Everton fans in Oz and NZ, many because of Timmy Cahill.
Tony J Williams
2   Posted 18/10/2010 at 13:50:23

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Apart from his goals, what does he ever do for Everton?...etc etc
James Byrne
3   Posted 18/10/2010 at 13:46:49

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I agree.

Tim Cahill is a great ambassador for the club and a superb example to kids worldwide.

He may have a dip in form throughout the season now and again but that's more to do with the team performance. He is an athlete and a true Pro; (Torres take note you miserable twat).

Well done Tim and welcome to the "Legend Status" at EFC.
Mike McLean
4   Posted 18/10/2010 at 13:50:53

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The very fact that there is any discussion about it suggests he isn't. Nice bloke, good ambassador etc. Legend? On a par with Dixie, Ball, Wilson, Labone, Young, Lawton?

Behave.
David Price
5   Posted 18/10/2010 at 13:59:46

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Maybe it's wrong to assess when still playing. Legendary status like legendary stories grow in stature through truth and exaggeration combined.

Cahill is class, I'll settle for that title for now.

Andy Codling
6   Posted 18/10/2010 at 14:12:37

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To think some fucking idiots wanted him dropping
Duncan McDine
7   Posted 18/10/2010 at 14:06:51

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Mike... how many true legends have worn the blue shirt since the 80's? In my opinion Duncan Ferguson, and Tim Cahill. Mikkey is becoming one too. They might not be in the same class as Dixie, Ball and Young, but they are modern legends for the club, no doubt.

Kevin Gillen
8   Posted 18/10/2010 at 14:17:05

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He is just about the best header of a ball I've ever seen and his courage is matched by none. Of course he's a legend.
Andrew Ellams
9   Posted 18/10/2010 at 14:25:01

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A lot of legends are built on the hero worship we give these guys when we are kids. So for me it's Reid, Southall and Sharp. Ask my 7 year old daughter and it's Tim all the way.

I for one had him down as an impact sub this year with Fellaini, Rodwell and Arteta making up the triangle. All I can say is what cracking option it will be to change that around when all are fit.
Mike Rourke
10   Posted 18/10/2010 at 15:03:11

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A future hall of famer as a Yank might say.
Gerard Harkin
11   Posted 18/10/2010 at 15:08:43

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Remind me again as to what Duncan did to become a legend? Red cards? An A-Z of injuries? A disciple of long ball tactics?
I've always thought he is so over rated by so many Everton fans, his two goal salvo v united aside.
I do think he had the club at heart but so does Hibbert and I don't hear many calling for his inclusion as a legend!
Eugene Ruane
12   Posted 18/10/2010 at 15:28:39

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Anyone know if Cahill has more headed goals in 'the premier league' than anyone or...did I just make that up.

(heard something along those lines...I think...maybe for a midfield player or...).

Anyway, from the point of view of REAL legend I tend to go along with Mike McLean.

That said, Cahill's input 'in real terms' has, in my opinion, been greater than Ferguson's, so I'm happy to go along with 'modern legend.
Charlie Percival
13   Posted 18/10/2010 at 14:09:14

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In my eyes TIm Cahill was already a legend 2 years ago
Richard Parker
14   Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:18:30

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Cahill has been twice the player for Everton that Dunc ever was. As much as I have a soft spot for the big man, I have difficulty with the legend tag.

It's a case of cometh the hour, cometh the man... but I can't put Cahill up there with Sharp and Southall, but I think that fans who didn't experience better times would probably put Cahill in the legend bracket, the same as those who put Big Dunc up there.

Legend or not, you've got to love Timmy. His reaction to his (cracking) finish yesterday says it all for me.
Lee Hind
15   Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:29:36

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@ Eugene Ruane - he is the most prolific scorer of headed goals per matches played...the table below is a copy of many that were bandied about after the Birmingham game:

Top 10 scorers of headed goals in the history of the Premier League

1 Tim Cahill ? 27 headed goals in 170 Premier League matches (6.30 games per headed goal)

2 Dion Dublin ? 45 in 312 (6.93)

3 Duncan Ferguson ? 35 in 270 (7.71)

4 Les Ferdinand ? 43 in 351 (8.16)

5 Gustavo Poyet ? 22 in 187 (8.50)

6 Peter Crouch ? 27 in 232 (8.59)

7 Chris Armstrong ? 23 in 216 (9.39)

8 Alan Shearer ? 46 in 441 (9.59)

9 Niall Quinn ? 26 in 250 (9.62)

10 Dwight Yorke ? 38 in 375 (9.87)

*All players have scored at least 20 headed Premier League goals and 40 Premier League goals in total
David Thomas
16   Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:35:06

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Eugene,

There was a statistic on Sky Sports about 3 weeks ago that said Cahill has got more headed goals than any other player in the Premier League. I can't remember though whether that was any player who has played in the league or only current ones.
Brian Waring
17   Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:40:59

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Duncan, can't agree that Arteta is on his way to becoming a legend. IMO he has a long, long, long way to get there.

He could start by not taking anymore corners.
Ray Robinson
18   Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:48:27

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Gordon West
Brian Labone
Jimmy Gabriel
Alex Young
Alan Ball
Colin Harvey
Howard Kendall
Neville Southall
Graeme Sharp
Kevin Sheedy
Peter Reid
Paul Bracewell
Kevin Ratcliffe
Mikel Arteta
Tim Cahill

are all legends to me. Controversially, I'd add Mike Lyons but no place for Duncan, however much we all loved him at times).
Kunal Desai
19   Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:56:40

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The most consistent player under Moyes' Everton era to date. £1.5-2M -PRICELESS. A big thank you to Simon Jordan as well mwuhahahahaha!
Tony Waring
20   Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:01:50

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Probably best to wait until he's finished playing but he is certainly on the way - no question. In these days of pampered, so-called stars, it is heartening to have someone like Tim in the side. He must have accumulated more airmiles to and from the antipodes than anyone else in the Premier League but you never hear him complaining of travel fatigue. He just goes out and plays - even yesterday when his shoulder was strapped up.
Tony Waring
21   Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:07:17

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Ray (#) what about Martin Dobson one of the most elegant midfielders ever and the Latch ?
Tony Waring
22   Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:10:42

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Sorry that should have read.....Ray #17
Paul Columb
23   Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:13:23

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I think when folks call for legend status for Tim, it's more in acknowledgement of his true passion for EFC. He cared as much as any of us yesterday when he netted and his reaction after the match at beating that shower said it all. He posesses the passion we expect of those who pull on our shirt but often forget that rarely do players have any emotional attachment to the club of the type that afflicts us as fans. They're mercenaries.....employees Tim's an Evertonian, puts in 110% and nets goals when it matters.

We'll have to better define legend before arguing the matter but for me he's ticking some pretty important boxes.

Charlie Percival
24   Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:38:52

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Sorry but Duncan Ferguson is DEFINITELY A LEGEND. Unquestionable. He's an idol to most of us and he was awesome in his own style. Come on, the most intimidating player to ever grace the Prem has to be a legend!
James Thomas
25   Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:47:33

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I am 22 years old and have watched Everton since 1993. As such I have known only the Premiership era. I have seen three legends -

Duncan Ferguson
Kevin Campbell
Tim Cahill

Other players of significant note: Kanchelskis, Amokachi, Gravesen, Carsley and Stubbs (possibly AJ for the derby and the game against Arsenal) - not legends but personal favourites / cult figures. Arteta is on his way, Felli could be one but will leave in the next 3 years.

People will always go on about the teams from the eighties, seventies and sixties, but I feel all players in the past are looked back on in an overly romantic view.
Charlie Percival
26   Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:56:14

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Exactly James (24). The modern game is so much different, even to the extent that it is not respected and even watched by many of the older people who used to watch it with such pride.
Chris James
27   Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:30:58

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Tim definitely deserves legendary status in my book for three reasons:

i) playing performance - the goal record from a midfielder speaks volumes and how many of them have been crucial match-winners - quite a few. I also think he puts a hell of a shift in in midfield and though not as naturally gifted as say Arteta, he can play a bit and certainly grafts, which brings me to...

ii) attitude and passion - for me this is vital for legend status and it's primarily why big dunc is considered by some as a modern legend, the never say die, lay my lie down for the team passion as well as genuine loyalty to the club and camaraderie with his team mates

iii) ambassadorial quality - ask any non-Evertonian or middling footie fan to name Everton players and it's likely you'll get a very short list. No disrespect to Osman, Hibbo or even Saha, but thanks to his intelligent interviews, distinctive celebrations, international appearances and FIFA box-art featurings Cahill is our number one 'brand' player, followed by Arteta, Howard, Pienaar, the Yak and possibly Baines. He's certainly raised our profile massively in the Antipodes and arguably the far East too.

In terms of comparing Tim, or indeed any of the FPL era players to the legends of years gone by, that's obviously a dicey business. For starters you've got the halcyon days filter which makes anything out of immediate memory seems better. More problematically you've got the situation that those old-school players were more often than not playing in championship-challenging sides which were either stuffed full of quality or were competing against weaker opposition than the modern money-stuffed FPL. If you need to win something to be a legend then all our recent legends will have to come from the 95 side.

Then again with Big Nev and Watto I suppose that probably does apply anyway, Big Dunc is a legend for me, Horne and Stuart will remain forever golden in my eyes from that last gasp Wimbledon win and the rest of the team weren't too shabby either.

Hmmm, maybe a separate thread on the general status of modern-day (Premier League era) Everton players is warranted?

Where for instance would we place the likes of Gravesen, Kanchelskis or Carsley?

Charlie Percival
28   Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:58:07

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I would say Joe Parkinson is also a LEGEND
Charlie Percival
29   Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:59:10

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Barry Horne haha. That dig against Wimbledon. Hes a LEGEND
Ray Robinson
30   Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:59:16

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Tony Waring #21. Threw that list together in 1 minute. Yes add, Bob Latchford, Martin Dobson and Dave Watson to the list.

As many others have pointed out it's pride, responsibility, commitment, loyalty and love of the club, added to playing ability, that define legenday status to me
Kunal Desai
31   Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:15:54

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72 goals in 184 appearances, not since Tony Cottee have we had a striker who has contributed better than him. He's got to be up there to.
Alex Kociuba
32   Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:29:08

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Definition: Legend noun ( FAME )

Someone or something very famous and admired, usually because of their ability in a particular area.

(Cambridge dictionary online). Using this definition I think most (all) Everton fans and the vast majority of football fans would agree.

But still, he isn't is he? Or is he? Personally I don't really give a shit. (Or do I?).
Nick Entwistle
33   Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:48:08

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That's a piss poor definition of legend Alex. Famous and admired... takes more than that.
Tony Doran
34   Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:43:38

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Just to see him tapping Caragher on the head was quality. Caragher didn't know what to do, i mean who else have you seen do this to the shite's old timer.
Stephen Kenny
35   Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:47:38

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He'd have to win the league on his own to go down as a legend in the Arl fella's eyes. In time we will all be telling stories about an Australian fella who could jump 14ft high, and every time the story gets told the jump will be a foot higher!!!
Danny Broderick
36   Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:49:04

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It's beyond any doubt. I do believe that some people bandy about the term 'legend' like confetti, but he has consistently produced the goods for the last 8 years or so now. He is the man the opposition fear most when we play, yet few manage to stop him scoring. We are also not the same team without him. Definite legend.
Andy Crooks
37   Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:56:07

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Andy Codling, I was one of the idiots you refer to. Also, for some time I have advocated playing Bily in his role. I'll get my coat.
Santosh Benjamin
38   Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:47:42

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He is a legend in my opinion. His goal tally should satisfy those of you who insist on the numbers. Add to that the passion, hard work and exuberance that he brings to our team and you have one amazing player. He is also a wonderful human being - humble and polite as i saw on his documentary and from comments people have made after meeting him. Lets not compare him to our former legends and start up an argument. Lets appreciate what we have and savor this derby victory.
Hugh Jorgan
39   Posted 18/10/2010 at 19:09:10

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Tim Cahill - Legend? Without a doubt ? just for yesterday's performance alone. For the people who see Tim just for his goals, I suggest watch him carefullyhoughout the game and see what he brings to the team. When he is form he is just about the most destructive player in the Prem, breaking up the oposition attacks throughout midfield and bringing the ball forward.
David Chait
40   Posted 18/10/2010 at 19:26:45

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One very important criteria to be considered a legend is time with the club.... Cahill has committed a very large portion of his career to us.. and has no intention of ever leaving... THAT is a mark of a club legend...
Chris James you answered the other criteria well imo..

Arteta is my favourite Everton player since Sheedy.. by signing on for another 5 years - if he sticks with us.. hall of famour no doubt... player of the year a couple times.. and no doubt will be again... just give us a couple more years Mikky...
Alex Kociuba
41   Posted 18/10/2010 at 19:47:23

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Nick Entwistle, that was kind of the point.. it depends on the definition of the word and personal perception of subject matter. The fella who invented the paper clip is a legend in the stationary world.
Matthew Lovekin
42   Posted 18/10/2010 at 20:28:07

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It is very difficult to compare players from different generations. Therefore, I'd say a legend is someone who is an excellent player, gives everything for the club and an icon amongst fans.

Dunc and Cahill may not be as good as the likes of Dixie and Ball, but they always gave everything for the club and the fans always looked to them to inspire the team.

Therefore Dunc and Cahill not amongst the elite of legends, but legends all the same.
Liam Reilly
43   Posted 18/10/2010 at 20:32:58

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Undoubted legend for me.

It?s no coincidence that Everton pick up far more points when Tim is in the side. Never hides in the big games, never gives up and a genuine ambassador for the club in an era of mercenaries.
Spragg Johnson
44   Posted 18/10/2010 at 22:12:38

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He's a defo ledge ... no question.

When we were shite in the 70s Andy King still made us proud with his commitment and crucial goals ... Cahill is the 2000s version.

Totally dedicated to being a blue - check out his doco film ... he loves us and we love him.

He is the ultimate 'just off the main striker' player - and unlike other legends (read Giggs here especially) he hasn't cried off from international duty - despite it meaning thousands of hours and air miles.

Timmy Timmy, Timmy Timmy Cahill we salute you as the 'next' or 'latest' of the Great Corinthians!
Tom Bowers
45   Posted 18/10/2010 at 22:17:29

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Timmie is probable the best signing for money that the Blues have made in the last 10 years and maybe longer.Yes he scores vital goals and is very popular etc.etc. The word legend can be applied for different reasons. Ask Wimbledon fans and they will have said Vinnie Jones and we all know the reasons why but very little to do with class.Manure fans can probably name 20 or 30 players over the last 20 years as possible legends some of whom are still playing.I am not sure that a still young Tim Cahill would like to be referred to as a legend just yet.Timmie has had his ups and downs since coming to Goodison and right now he is on the up.
Robert Moore
46   Posted 18/10/2010 at 22:36:34

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Cahill is a Legend for sure, such passion he shows, always pops up when we need him. RESPECT!!!
David Hamilton
47   Posted 18/10/2010 at 22:37:50

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Probably has just about reached Legend status, but there's something lacking.

Maybe it was the way he shrugged off poor Coleman, who tried in vain to celebrate with him. It was just as much Seamus' goal, OK, Timmy was pumped, but we knew who'd scored the goal and didn't need telling. Without that brilliant unacknowledged run, there would have been nothing to celebrate.
Jarrod Prosser
48   Posted 18/10/2010 at 23:04:44

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Let's judge legend status once Tim moves on. At the minute, he's our talisman, and certainly a great ambassador.

As an Aussie who started following the club as a youngster in the mid 80's, it's been tough to get any sort of 'brand recognition' here for the first 20 years that i've supported the team.

Now there are Everton shirts all over the place. Still not as many as Liverpool, Man U, Juve etc but the fact that people actually see the shirt and recognize it is a massive step forward. You still cop crap about only supporting Everton because of Cahill (mostly from blokes who think Beckham still runs out for the Mancs) but that's better than having to explain what Everton actually is! Personally i tell them i became an Evertonian when Eddy Bosnar joined - confuses them to no end!

Every time he's in the country, he talks up Everton & his love for the club. Even if he never kicks another ball in Royal Blue, he'll always be, if not a legend, then certainly a hero.
James Stewart
49   Posted 18/10/2010 at 23:28:42

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Well I remember someone on here over the summer suggesting we should sell him and that he would raise no more than 5m. Unbelievable. All very different now isn't it! Drop Cahill and you lose at least 50% of our entire goal threat.
Kevin Hudson
50   Posted 18/10/2010 at 23:54:04

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Agree completely James.
Gerry Western
51   Posted 19/10/2010 at 00:05:52

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I've defended Cahill here on countless occasions this guy has just about everything in his locker. He gets back and defends, he links up well with the striker, breaks up the play, scores goals,can thread a pass, is tenacious and puts his body on the line. Above all he's inspirational. I've lost count of how many times he's dug us out of a hole.

The icing on the cake for me yesterday was when he mugged Gerrard on the 18 yard line, cool as a cucumber. Those who say he only scores goals need to try watching him for 90min theres an awful lot more to his game than you give him credit for. A legend? has been for years.
Zack Yusof
52   Posted 19/10/2010 at 03:18:14

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Cahill is on the way to becoming a legend and i love his goals and tenacity but for me but not he's not quite there yet.

I fell in love with Everton watching the likes of Sharpy, The Rat, Southall, Sheedy and Trevor Steven so they are the ultimate legends in my mind.

it's amazing how often my favourite player Trevor Steven gets overlooked when it comes to chat about Everton legends. I know he left us to play for Rangers when he could have stayed longer after Heysel but for me, he was amazing. I mean, what we could do with a player like him now on our right...
Matt Traynor
53   Posted 19/10/2010 at 03:01:49

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Like some "arl arses" on here, I despise calling any modern footballer a legend due to their incredible ability to earn astronomical wages, but that's not really down to them... Many of them are lucky enough to do that, because if they weren't good enough to make the grade then they would've been just average Joe's, working class like so many who pay good money to watch them. Some of them let the money go to their head, and behave disgracefully, and complain when the media expose them (even though they openly court the publicity as it adds to their image rights value).

None of that could be applied to Tim Cahill. I've had the pleasure of getting to know the guy in person, and he is "old school" purely and simply because he recognises the privileged position he is in, and wants to give something back.

Most importantly, he, more so than any other non-Scouse players, understands the ethos of the club, and its fans.

He's 31 now, and in his last contract as a pro. When that runs out, he'll retire and go back to his adopted Australia and focus on his academies. I think that those who spout about his limitations will then realise his value when the team loses a key dimension. Every fan of other teams I talk to always states how much they despise him, because he's that good at unsettling their defence. It helps that he scores a few as well!
Jarrod Prosser
54   Posted 19/10/2010 at 06:51:39

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Adopted Australia?
He was born in Sydney....
Peter Bourke
55   Posted 19/10/2010 at 07:47:01

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I've defended Timmy on here many many times and i think Gerry (51) summed up what i have tried to say on many an occasion. It seems Andy Crooks is the only one of his knockers to admit he was wrong and the rest of his knockers have gone into hiding. Well done Andy, at least you have a balanced opinion.
And yes Timmy is a legend.
Paul Gladwell
56   Posted 19/10/2010 at 07:50:46

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Zack, Cahill may not have won a trophy but he has put as bigger shift into the club as those players if not more.
I remember the abuse Sharp and Reid suffererd for their poor performances coming to the end of their Everton careers and who can not forget the Bin man banner at Coventry.
This man travels thousands of miles around the world and puts a shift in without a whimper, he shouts our name on those trips from the rooftops and has given young blues something to cheer about, as these kids where not lucky enough to see that team like us, that is as worthy as any title winning player.
Liam Reilly
57   Posted 19/10/2010 at 08:13:11

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Totally agree Paul. some folk wouldn't be happy if Roy of the Rovers played for Everton.

I think we take Cahill for granted. Its no coincidence that all of the pundits highlight Cahill when talking about Everton. His heading ability in both boxes is immenseworld class. There's not many players we can say that about.
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We'll miss his dogged mindedness, ability to annoy the fuck out of premier league defenders, influence and tenacity long after he's retired.
Legend - For Sure.
Afzan Yusuf
58   Posted 19/10/2010 at 08:24:14

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Big Dunc is a legend only because of his passion for the club. I believe he might murder someone for the love of the club (nearly did though...)
Timmy Cahill is twice the Big man in terms of records and stats... hence, he is a legend too...
Anyway, Timmy Cahill will never be put in the same light as Sharp, Southall etc.. unless he starts to win something...
In that case, it applies to all players post 84 era...
The wait near the end though... I can feel it.... we might win something this or next year.
Afzan Yusuf
59   Posted 19/10/2010 at 08:29:30

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#32 - Definition: Legend noun ( FAME )

Someone or something very famous and admired, usually because of their ability in a particular area.
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That's make Big Dunc a legend... he can stranggle quite good... no?
Kase Chow
60   Posted 19/10/2010 at 09:00:48

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MODERN DAY LEGEND for sure

Some of the ridiculous standards some of you lot are suggesting will ensure no one ever becomes a 'legend' for this club ever again?

What is a legend? Someone you can tell great stories about, someone that turns up, someone that delivers and someone that cares

Let's not over complicate it: if you're likely to tell your kids about Tim's overhead kick against Chelski or the way he headed the last min equaliser at Anfield or the header against Arsenal at Goodison or the famous fightback against Man ure when 3-1 down and 90 mins on the clock..........well you'll be telling the story of a legend...
Gareth Humphreys
61   Posted 19/10/2010 at 08:53:03

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You have to wait until he leaves and under what circumstances.
I have no doubt that he will see his contract out and bow out gracefully however if he has a hissy fit and decides to sign for Liverpool things are then a bit different.
Case in point - Andrei Kanchelskis. If his career had ended at Everton due to an injury at a young age he would have been a legend because of what he did in the short time he was here. As it was he went under a cloud and his time here is somewhat tarnsihed despite some quite unbeleivable performances.
Dave Lynch
62   Posted 19/10/2010 at 09:17:22

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To be an Everton legend you have to be commited to the club.
Cahill is not the greatest player to have pulled a blue shirt on but, he is commited.
He loves the club and would run through a brick wall for it.
Same goes for Ferguson, Lyons, Hibbo and Neville. Not world class by any stretch of the imagination but worth there weight in gold if only for the commitment they show.
Please don't confuse legendary status with Messi type skill. Give me any of the above over todays mercenary bastards.
Chris Fisher
63   Posted 19/10/2010 at 10:11:11

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It's difficult to call a player a legend until after they have retired or left the club. But, if there is a current Everton player who deserves to be called a legend, it is Tim Cahill.
Keith O'Brien
64   Posted 19/10/2010 at 11:17:03

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Yes he is just one of our greats and just love how he gets up the noses of any opposition regardless of how taller they are then him. By here is a question that I cant see covered on any match reports or threads, why in the 80 something minute that he have a free kick on the half way line and just kick it into touch like a rugby match? Was it the manager or captain that instructed to give the possesion back to the reds? Disgusted with that decission really
Steve Pugh
65   Posted 19/10/2010 at 10:58:47

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To become a legend you have to have enough people saying that you are a legend. It is as simple as that, and enough people are saying that Tim is a legend to make it a fact.
Dick Fearon
66   Posted 19/10/2010 at 10:42:38

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Around camp fires in Australias outback, in pubs and big city boardrooms and on the shop floor, generations of blues will speak in awe of Tim Cahill?s achievements with our club..
At our fathers knees old arses such as myself learned, dreamed and was inspired by tales of the immortal Dixie. My own dear dad would dab a tear as he recounted the great ones deeds. During the dark years the legend of Dixie was my candle in the dark.
In years to come our own children and their children too will need candles of hope. They also will be inspired by whispers of the great ones and these whispers will include those of Tim Cahill.

From the early 50s I have seen the full list of Everton legends. Here I use the word legend only in its relationship to Everton.
I have no qualms with any of the players on that list yet I honestly do not know what more must Cahill do to be accepted.
In any case, all such argument is merely academic.
A few more goals into the RS net and Tim bypasses legendary status to go straight to recognition as an Everton Immortal.
Lee Kidd
67   Posted 19/10/2010 at 11:48:12

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There's a very high standard for Everton greats, and usually it's after they retire they're given recognition.

As for Cahill, he's... not quite there. He's one of the best of the Premier League era we've had, but for Evertonians of a certain age a player has to have exceptional ability as well as heart on the pitch.

That's why Duncan Ferguson is labelled an undoubted legend by some, and laughed about by others. I think Cahill is in the same bracket, because whilst he's definitely effective on the pitch, he's not the most technically skilled player and those who still believe in the "School of Science" will need a lot more convincing before they even contemplate putting him in the same bracket as Alex Young.
Dick Fearon
68   Posted 19/10/2010 at 12:26:02

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What is the difference between Ball and Cahill? Is it their work rate or passion for the club? Is the goals they have scored for Everton. Or their club loyalty?

I have seen both of them and except for club loyalty where Cahill comes out on top I reckon they are pretty even. But then again I am only going on the statistical record. Perhaps it is my fading memory but I cannot remember when an individual stroke of Ball genious or brilliance swung a game in our favour.

I do not wish to belittle in any way Alan's individual contribution to the Everton cause but in all honesty I cannot see where it betters that of Cahill. I would be delighted to be wrong about this. can anyone oblige. Remember, I am only talking about the Everton record of both.

Dave Lynch
69   Posted 19/10/2010 at 13:03:18

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FOR FUCKS SAKE DICK !
Get a grip.
Alan Ball was a midfield maestro and genius at unlocking defences, taking control of and running the game.
Cahill pops up with a couple of headers and you put him over Bally.
Ball was forced to leave us and it broke his heart when he did.
Cahill is an average player ability wise and will never be in the Alan Ball class.
Fucking Hell man !
Hang your head in shame for even suggesting that he could lace ballys boots.
So don't start with all this everything Aussie is better, even when it's not.
That is an outrageous statement, even from someone who thinks the sun shines out of Cahills arse.
You have clearly taken on the Aussie blinkered mindset that all that is Australian
is not up for critisism.
John McFarlane
70   Posted 19/10/2010 at 13:03:56

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Much like yourself Dick, I too suffer from a fading memory, but I have no doubt that Alan Ball was responsible for many memorable match defining moments. The one that springs to mind is the match winning strike at the Gwladys Street end, versus Liverpool in the March 1967 FA Cup tie.

I believe that every generation will have their own particular "Legends"; having watched Everton since 1948 my own favourites include Peter Farrell, Wally Fielding,Dave Hickson, Alex Parker, Alex Young, Bobby Collins and Tommy Ring from the fifties and sixties. Mick Lyons, Martin Dobson,and Duncan McKenzie from the seventies, Andy Gray, Peter Reid, Trevor Steven from the eighties.

I also believe that Duncan Ferguson despite his disciplinary shortcomings is worthy of legendary status. I am also aware that there are other players who could quite easily be regarded as "Legends" but we have to draw the line somewhere.

Ray Robinson
71   Posted 19/10/2010 at 15:06:01

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Dick Fearon #68. Sorry, mate but your memory is going. I'm not comparing Ball with Cahill as they're both legends to me, but the former won us many matches with flashes of inspiration and genius - just as Cahill has done.
Tom Bowers
72   Posted 19/10/2010 at 15:15:47

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Judging by all the opinions it for sure the jury is still out on this one.Scoring goals particularly in a derby match is always going to be euphoric and fans will give credence to their own reactions and subsequent plaudits for the players who score them. Have to agree though that one cannot as yet speak of Timmie in the same breath as Bally,Southall,Young or even Mountfield and Sheedy who scored a bagful of crucial goals between them and cost little.
Guy Hastings
73   Posted 19/10/2010 at 16:11:19

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A profile of our favourite corner flag abuser.

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Ben Jones
74   Posted 19/10/2010 at 18:09:41

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Well surely if Cahill's a legend, then Moyes is too?

I'm too young to remember any of the legends beyond the 80's. But when i'm 50 and somebody asks who were the legend 20 or 30 years ago, then Cahill would be one name I would mention. Moyes too to be fair.

All the older fans saying no way because he isn't as good, fair point, but all the younger fans have players they relate to the now and the 90's.

Cahill, Moyes, Carsley, Weir.. these are the kind of names I would be naming from experience and from being a fan of the club.
Tony Cheek
75   Posted 19/10/2010 at 19:00:47

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.Every team needs a Tim Cahill , if we are going to get a decent position in the PL this season , he will light the way .... Just build a statue !!!
Michael Upton
76   Posted 19/10/2010 at 19:17:09

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Unquestionably a legend in my eyes.

Not just for sheer number of goals from midfield but for importance of said goals and willingness to give everything for the cause.

Sure he goes through bad spells like most players but he loves the club and that's a good start and a record number of derby goals has to help, too.

I'd be very sad to see him go - I hope he finishes his career with us.
Dick Fearon
77   Posted 19/10/2010 at 22:02:37

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I have unintentionally upset a number of you by daring to compare our two midfield marvels. For that I appologise because I was and always have been an admirer of Ball. At the same time and notwithstanding that I am currently based in Oz I am unashamedly an admirer of Cahill.

As one third of the holy trinity Alan an advantage over Tim because the latter has never enjoyed that kind of teamwork and rapport. Too often it has been the case that if Tim dosen't score then nobody will.
One other aspect that is conveniently forgotten is the lightning pace of the todays game compared to yesteryear.
Without wishing or dreaming of taking anything away from Balls contribution to the cause I still maintain that Cahill is of comparable status.
Dave Lynch
78   Posted 19/10/2010 at 23:15:14

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Dick.
I also apologise for the tone and some of the content of my post.
Cahill for what it's worth will be a legend if only for his commitment to the cause.
We will have to agree to disagree with regards their footballing ability.
Dennis Stevens
79   Posted 19/10/2010 at 23:41:10

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To my mind the term "Legend" can only really be applied retrospectively, but I'm confident that Timmy the blue kangaroo will qualify.
Norman Merrill
80   Posted 20/10/2010 at 09:11:03

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Its only my opinion, but when the word legend is mentioned at Everton, I only think of the great "Dixie"
Anthony Millington
81   Posted 20/10/2010 at 10:58:23

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Definetly a legend! It's not just his goalscoring record, but the importance of his goals in big games. Is it five goals he's scored against Liverpool now? You could sit here all day and go through pretty much every team in the Premier League that he has scored against. He has scored on nearly every away ground aswell...from the last minute overhead kick equaliser at Stamford Bridge, goals at Old Trafford, the Emirates, Anfield, 2 late winners at Eastlands, Villa Park...the list goes on.

The only thing missing is a trophy!
David Price
82   Posted 20/10/2010 at 12:22:02

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Legend has it, in Spain if it's white liquid in a bottle then it's milk.
I miss Rafa..
Tony J Williams
83   Posted 20/10/2010 at 13:51:42

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Definitely a legend in my eyes. the problem is when people judge him against other legends. Most other "Legends" were surrounded by other legends, such a the Holy Trinity. Cahill's holy trinity has been players like Pembridge, Gemmill etc, so it's ridiculous to say he can't be a legend because he hasn't won anything.

If the team around him were to his own standard, I am sure there would be a few medals in his locker.
Tom Bowers
84   Posted 20/10/2010 at 13:59:22

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It's all a question of how we determine wht a legend is. Is it goals scored in derby games? Years with the club? Trophies won?International caps? Consistently good games and having influence?Goals overall, or just 100% great battlers? Most of these come into play when considering and yes Dixie Dean, Alan Ball, Big Nev, Big Dunc, Dave Hickson...

Alec Young and Arteta are worthy selections for one or more of these reasons. Not far behind are Timmie, Peter Reid and a host of other players many of us cannot remember. This has been a great topic of discussion and will always be popular but it's like picking your favourite film. Everyone has a different choice for different reasons.

Andy Crooks
85   Posted 20/10/2010 at 17:45:03

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Tim Cahill will achieve legendary status is years to come. My fear is that he will be seen as the best Everton player never to win a trophy.
Ian McDowell
86   Posted 20/10/2010 at 22:50:32

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Legend undoubtedly

I can?t believe people question this. Tim Cahill plays for Everton like a fan on the street would.

This pre-season all the talk of playing Billy in his role behind Saha, what bollocks.

Everton is built on players like Neville Cahill and Jagielka.

I said it before moths ago but heading is just as much an important part of football as passing, finishing, first touch etc.

I watched the semi final of the champions league barca v Inter and needing one more goal to qualify a headed chance fell to Bojan and he fluffed it,. I kept thinking what Timmy would of done with that

Cahill Everton legend, in 30 years time I?ll be telling me grand kids about him, no doubt.
Kevin Gillen
87   Posted 21/10/2010 at 00:30:42

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A whole team of legends. Baardsen Darracott Barrett Bilic Naysmith Thompson Linderoth Nulty (capt) Alexanderson Wright Belfitt. Managed by Gordon Lee with Mike Walker as goalie coach. As a special treat to toffeewebbers Osman and Hibbert on the bench. I once gave Geoff Nulty some advice about how to improve his game, "cut your left leg off".
Mike Green
88   Posted 22/10/2010 at 01:03:49

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Legend?

Not sure. Maybe. I think if he beats Dixies scoring record at Anfield he wil be - just one to go......

Hall of Famer?

ALL. DAY. LONG.

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