This has prompted much debate on Toffeeweb in the last couple of months.
Here are some important stats:
49 goals in 168 league matches. 60 goals in 208 gams (all competitions for Everton).
This season he has scored 4 league goals in 7 appearances and a couple of very important assists, it can be argued that he has won us possibly 7/8 of our points this season.
He has also just become our post-war leading goal scorer in derby matches. That in itself justifies legend status. He ought, genuinely in my opinion to be regarded as a true Everton legend.
James Cadwaladr, Posted 18/10/2010 at 08:46:39
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1 Posted 18/10/2010 at 13:48:11
2 Posted 18/10/2010 at 13:50:23
3 Posted 18/10/2010 at 13:46:49
Tim Cahill is a great ambassador for the club and a superb example to kids worldwide.
He may have a dip in form throughout the season now and again but that's more to do with the team performance. He is an athlete and a true Pro; (Torres take note you miserable twat).
Well done Tim and welcome to the "Legend Status" at EFC.
4 Posted 18/10/2010 at 13:50:53
5 Posted 18/10/2010 at 13:59:46
Cahill is class, I'll settle for that title for now.
6 Posted 18/10/2010 at 14:12:37
7 Posted 18/10/2010 at 14:06:51
8 Posted 18/10/2010 at 14:17:05
9 Posted 18/10/2010 at 14:25:01
I for one had him down as an impact sub this year with Fellaini, Rodwell and Arteta making up the triangle. All I can say is what cracking option it will be to change that around when all are fit.
10 Posted 18/10/2010 at 15:03:11
11 Posted 18/10/2010 at 15:08:43
I've always thought he is so over rated by so many Everton fans, his two goal salvo v united aside.
I do think he had the club at heart but so does Hibbert and I don't hear many calling for his inclusion as a legend!
12 Posted 18/10/2010 at 15:28:39
(heard something along those lines...I think...maybe for a midfield player or...).
Anyway, from the point of view of REAL legend I tend to go along with Mike McLean.
That said, Cahill's input 'in real terms' has, in my opinion, been greater than Ferguson's, so I'm happy to go along with 'modern legend.
13 Posted 18/10/2010 at 14:09:14
14 Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:18:30
It's a case of cometh the hour, cometh the man... but I can't put Cahill up there with Sharp and Southall, but I think that fans who didn't experience better times would probably put Cahill in the legend bracket, the same as those who put Big Dunc up there.
Legend or not, you've got to love Timmy. His reaction to his (cracking) finish yesterday says it all for me.
15 Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:29:36
Top 10 scorers of headed goals in the history of the Premier League
1 Tim Cahill ? 27 headed goals in 170 Premier League matches (6.30 games per headed goal)
2 Dion Dublin ? 45 in 312 (6.93)
3 Duncan Ferguson ? 35 in 270 (7.71)
4 Les Ferdinand ? 43 in 351 (8.16)
5 Gustavo Poyet ? 22 in 187 (8.50)
6 Peter Crouch ? 27 in 232 (8.59)
7 Chris Armstrong ? 23 in 216 (9.39)
8 Alan Shearer ? 46 in 441 (9.59)
9 Niall Quinn ? 26 in 250 (9.62)
10 Dwight Yorke ? 38 in 375 (9.87)
*All players have scored at least 20 headed Premier League goals and 40 Premier League goals in total
16 Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:35:06
There was a statistic on Sky Sports about 3 weeks ago that said Cahill has got more headed goals than any other player in the Premier League. I can't remember though whether that was any player who has played in the league or only current ones.
17 Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:40:59
He could start by not taking anymore corners.
18 Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:48:27
are all legends to me. Controversially, I'd add Mike Lyons but no place for Duncan, however much we all loved him at times).
19 Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:56:40
20 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:01:50
21 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:07:17
22 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:10:42
23 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:13:23
We'll have to better define legend before arguing the matter but for me he's ticking some pretty important boxes.
24 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:38:52
25 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:47:33
Other players of significant note: Kanchelskis, Amokachi, Gravesen, Carsley and Stubbs (possibly AJ for the derby and the game against Arsenal) - not legends but personal favourites / cult figures. Arteta is on his way, Felli could be one but will leave in the next 3 years.
People will always go on about the teams from the eighties, seventies and sixties, but I feel all players in the past are looked back on in an overly romantic view.
26 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:56:14
27 Posted 18/10/2010 at 16:30:58
i) playing performance - the goal record from a midfielder speaks volumes and how many of them have been crucial match-winners - quite a few. I also think he puts a hell of a shift in in midfield and though not as naturally gifted as say Arteta, he can play a bit and certainly grafts, which brings me to...
ii) attitude and passion - for me this is vital for legend status and it's primarily why big dunc is considered by some as a modern legend, the never say die, lay my lie down for the team passion as well as genuine loyalty to the club and camaraderie with his team mates
iii) ambassadorial quality - ask any non-Evertonian or middling footie fan to name Everton players and it's likely you'll get a very short list. No disrespect to Osman, Hibbo or even Saha, but thanks to his intelligent interviews, distinctive celebrations, international appearances and FIFA box-art featurings Cahill is our number one 'brand' player, followed by Arteta, Howard, Pienaar, the Yak and possibly Baines. He's certainly raised our profile massively in the Antipodes and arguably the far East too.
In terms of comparing Tim, or indeed any of the FPL era players to the legends of years gone by, that's obviously a dicey business. For starters you've got the halcyon days filter which makes anything out of immediate memory seems better. More problematically you've got the situation that those old-school players were more often than not playing in championship-challenging sides which were either stuffed full of quality or were competing against weaker opposition than the modern money-stuffed FPL. If you need to win something to be a legend then all our recent legends will have to come from the 95 side.
Then again with Big Nev and Watto I suppose that probably does apply anyway, Big Dunc is a legend for me, Horne and Stuart will remain forever golden in my eyes from that last gasp Wimbledon win and the rest of the team weren't too shabby either.
Hmmm, maybe a separate thread on the general status of modern-day (Premier League era) Everton players is warranted?
Where for instance would we place the likes of Gravesen, Kanchelskis or Carsley?
28 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:58:07
29 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:59:10
30 Posted 18/10/2010 at 17:59:16
As many others have pointed out it's pride, responsibility, commitment, loyalty and love of the club, added to playing ability, that define legenday status to me
31 Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:15:54
32 Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:29:08
Someone or something very famous and admired, usually because of their ability in a particular area.
(Cambridge dictionary online). Using this definition I think most (all) Everton fans and the vast majority of football fans would agree.
But still, he isn't is he? Or is he? Personally I don't really give a shit. (Or do I?).
33 Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:48:08
34 Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:43:38
35 Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:47:38
36 Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:49:04
37 Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:56:07
38 Posted 18/10/2010 at 18:47:42
39 Posted 18/10/2010 at 19:09:10
40 Posted 18/10/2010 at 19:26:45
Chris James you answered the other criteria well imo..
Arteta is my favourite Everton player since Sheedy.. by signing on for another 5 years - if he sticks with us.. hall of famour no doubt... player of the year a couple times.. and no doubt will be again... just give us a couple more years Mikky...
41 Posted 18/10/2010 at 19:47:23
42 Posted 18/10/2010 at 20:28:07
Dunc and Cahill may not be as good as the likes of Dixie and Ball, but they always gave everything for the club and the fans always looked to them to inspire the team.
Therefore Dunc and Cahill not amongst the elite of legends, but legends all the same.
43 Posted 18/10/2010 at 20:32:58
It?s no coincidence that Everton pick up far more points when Tim is in the side. Never hides in the big games, never gives up and a genuine ambassador for the club in an era of mercenaries.
44 Posted 18/10/2010 at 22:12:38
When we were shite in the 70s Andy King still made us proud with his commitment and crucial goals ... Cahill is the 2000s version.
Totally dedicated to being a blue - check out his doco film ... he loves us and we love him.
He is the ultimate 'just off the main striker' player - and unlike other legends (read Giggs here especially) he hasn't cried off from international duty - despite it meaning thousands of hours and air miles.
Timmy Timmy, Timmy Timmy Cahill we salute you as the 'next' or 'latest' of the Great Corinthians!
45 Posted 18/10/2010 at 22:17:29
46 Posted 18/10/2010 at 22:36:34
47 Posted 18/10/2010 at 22:37:50
Maybe it was the way he shrugged off poor Coleman, who tried in vain to celebrate with him. It was just as much Seamus' goal, OK, Timmy was pumped, but we knew who'd scored the goal and didn't need telling. Without that brilliant unacknowledged run, there would have been nothing to celebrate.
48 Posted 18/10/2010 at 23:04:44
As an Aussie who started following the club as a youngster in the mid 80's, it's been tough to get any sort of 'brand recognition' here for the first 20 years that i've supported the team.
Now there are Everton shirts all over the place. Still not as many as Liverpool, Man U, Juve etc but the fact that people actually see the shirt and recognize it is a massive step forward. You still cop crap about only supporting Everton because of Cahill (mostly from blokes who think Beckham still runs out for the Mancs) but that's better than having to explain what Everton actually is! Personally i tell them i became an Evertonian when Eddy Bosnar joined - confuses them to no end!
Every time he's in the country, he talks up Everton & his love for the club. Even if he never kicks another ball in Royal Blue, he'll always be, if not a legend, then certainly a hero.
49 Posted 18/10/2010 at 23:28:42
50 Posted 18/10/2010 at 23:54:04
51 Posted 19/10/2010 at 00:05:52
The icing on the cake for me yesterday was when he mugged Gerrard on the 18 yard line, cool as a cucumber. Those who say he only scores goals need to try watching him for 90min theres an awful lot more to his game than you give him credit for. A legend? has been for years.
52 Posted 19/10/2010 at 03:18:14
I fell in love with Everton watching the likes of Sharpy, The Rat, Southall, Sheedy and Trevor Steven so they are the ultimate legends in my mind.
it's amazing how often my favourite player Trevor Steven gets overlooked when it comes to chat about Everton legends. I know he left us to play for Rangers when he could have stayed longer after Heysel but for me, he was amazing. I mean, what we could do with a player like him now on our right...
53 Posted 19/10/2010 at 03:01:49
None of that could be applied to Tim Cahill. I've had the pleasure of getting to know the guy in person, and he is "old school" purely and simply because he recognises the privileged position he is in, and wants to give something back.
Most importantly, he, more so than any other non-Scouse players, understands the ethos of the club, and its fans.
He's 31 now, and in his last contract as a pro. When that runs out, he'll retire and go back to his adopted Australia and focus on his academies. I think that those who spout about his limitations will then realise his value when the team loses a key dimension. Every fan of other teams I talk to always states how much they despise him, because he's that good at unsettling their defence. It helps that he scores a few as well!
54 Posted 19/10/2010 at 06:51:39
He was born in Sydney....
55 Posted 19/10/2010 at 07:47:01
And yes Timmy is a legend.
56 Posted 19/10/2010 at 07:50:46
I remember the abuse Sharp and Reid suffererd for their poor performances coming to the end of their Everton careers and who can not forget the Bin man banner at Coventry.
This man travels thousands of miles around the world and puts a shift in without a whimper, he shouts our name on those trips from the rooftops and has given young blues something to cheer about, as these kids where not lucky enough to see that team like us, that is as worthy as any title winning player.
57 Posted 19/10/2010 at 08:13:11
I think we take Cahill for granted. Its no coincidence that all of the pundits highlight Cahill when talking about Everton. His heading ability in both boxes is immenseworld class. There's not many players we can say that about.
We'll miss his dogged mindedness, ability to annoy the fuck out of premier league defenders, influence and tenacity long after he's retired.
Legend - For Sure.
58 Posted 19/10/2010 at 08:24:14
Timmy Cahill is twice the Big man in terms of records and stats... hence, he is a legend too...
Anyway, Timmy Cahill will never be put in the same light as Sharp, Southall etc.. unless he starts to win something...
In that case, it applies to all players post 84 era...
The wait near the end though... I can feel it.... we might win something this or next year.
59 Posted 19/10/2010 at 08:29:30
Someone or something very famous and admired, usually because of their ability in a particular area.
That's make Big Dunc a legend... he can stranggle quite good... no?
60 Posted 19/10/2010 at 09:00:48
Some of the ridiculous standards some of you lot are suggesting will ensure no one ever becomes a 'legend' for this club ever again?
What is a legend? Someone you can tell great stories about, someone that turns up, someone that delivers and someone that cares
Let's not over complicate it: if you're likely to tell your kids about Tim's overhead kick against Chelski or the way he headed the last min equaliser at Anfield or the header against Arsenal at Goodison or the famous fightback against Man ure when 3-1 down and 90 mins on the clock..........well you'll be telling the story of a legend...
61 Posted 19/10/2010 at 08:53:03
I have no doubt that he will see his contract out and bow out gracefully however if he has a hissy fit and decides to sign for Liverpool things are then a bit different.
Case in point - Andrei Kanchelskis. If his career had ended at Everton due to an injury at a young age he would have been a legend because of what he did in the short time he was here. As it was he went under a cloud and his time here is somewhat tarnsihed despite some quite unbeleivable performances.
62 Posted 19/10/2010 at 09:17:22
Cahill is not the greatest player to have pulled a blue shirt on but, he is commited.
He loves the club and would run through a brick wall for it.
Same goes for Ferguson, Lyons, Hibbo and Neville. Not world class by any stretch of the imagination but worth there weight in gold if only for the commitment they show.
Please don't confuse legendary status with Messi type skill. Give me any of the above over todays mercenary bastards.
63 Posted 19/10/2010 at 10:11:11
64 Posted 19/10/2010 at 11:17:03
65 Posted 19/10/2010 at 10:58:47
66 Posted 19/10/2010 at 10:42:38
At our fathers knees old arses such as myself learned, dreamed and was inspired by tales of the immortal Dixie. My own dear dad would dab a tear as he recounted the great ones deeds. During the dark years the legend of Dixie was my candle in the dark.
In years to come our own children and their children too will need candles of hope. They also will be inspired by whispers of the great ones and these whispers will include those of Tim Cahill.
From the early 50s I have seen the full list of Everton legends. Here I use the word legend only in its relationship to Everton.
I have no qualms with any of the players on that list yet I honestly do not know what more must Cahill do to be accepted.
In any case, all such argument is merely academic.
A few more goals into the RS net and Tim bypasses legendary status to go straight to recognition as an Everton Immortal.
67 Posted 19/10/2010 at 11:48:12
As for Cahill, he's... not quite there. He's one of the best of the Premier League era we've had, but for Evertonians of a certain age a player has to have exceptional ability as well as heart on the pitch.
That's why Duncan Ferguson is labelled an undoubted legend by some, and laughed about by others. I think Cahill is in the same bracket, because whilst he's definitely effective on the pitch, he's not the most technically skilled player and those who still believe in the "School of Science" will need a lot more convincing before they even contemplate putting him in the same bracket as Alex Young.
68 Posted 19/10/2010 at 12:26:02
I have seen both of them and except for club loyalty where Cahill comes out on top I reckon they are pretty even. But then again I am only going on the statistical record. Perhaps it is my fading memory but I cannot remember when an individual stroke of Ball genious or brilliance swung a game in our favour.
I do not wish to belittle in any way Alan's individual contribution to the Everton cause but in all honesty I cannot see where it betters that of Cahill. I would be delighted to be wrong about this. can anyone oblige. Remember, I am only talking about the Everton record of both.
69 Posted 19/10/2010 at 13:03:18
Get a grip.
Alan Ball was a midfield maestro and genius at unlocking defences, taking control of and running the game.
Cahill pops up with a couple of headers and you put him over Bally.
Ball was forced to leave us and it broke his heart when he did.
Cahill is an average player ability wise and will never be in the Alan Ball class.
Fucking Hell man !
Hang your head in shame for even suggesting that he could lace ballys boots.
So don't start with all this everything Aussie is better, even when it's not.
That is an outrageous statement, even from someone who thinks the sun shines out of Cahills arse.
You have clearly taken on the Aussie blinkered mindset that all that is Australian
is not up for critisism.
70 Posted 19/10/2010 at 13:03:56
I believe that every generation will have their own particular "Legends"; having watched Everton since 1948 my own favourites include Peter Farrell, Wally Fielding,Dave Hickson, Alex Parker, Alex Young, Bobby Collins and Tommy Ring from the fifties and sixties. Mick Lyons, Martin Dobson,and Duncan McKenzie from the seventies, Andy Gray, Peter Reid, Trevor Steven from the eighties.
I also believe that Duncan Ferguson despite his disciplinary shortcomings is worthy of legendary status. I am also aware that there are other players who could quite easily be regarded as "Legends" but we have to draw the line somewhere.
71 Posted 19/10/2010 at 15:06:01
72 Posted 19/10/2010 at 15:15:47
73 Posted 19/10/2010 at 16:11:19
74 Posted 19/10/2010 at 18:09:41
I'm too young to remember any of the legends beyond the 80's. But when i'm 50 and somebody asks who were the legend 20 or 30 years ago, then Cahill would be one name I would mention. Moyes too to be fair.
All the older fans saying no way because he isn't as good, fair point, but all the younger fans have players they relate to the now and the 90's.
Cahill, Moyes, Carsley, Weir.. these are the kind of names I would be naming from experience and from being a fan of the club.
75 Posted 19/10/2010 at 19:00:47
76 Posted 19/10/2010 at 19:17:09
Not just for sheer number of goals from midfield but for importance of said goals and willingness to give everything for the cause.
Sure he goes through bad spells like most players but he loves the club and that's a good start and a record number of derby goals has to help, too.
I'd be very sad to see him go - I hope he finishes his career with us.
77 Posted 19/10/2010 at 22:02:37
As one third of the holy trinity Alan an advantage over Tim because the latter has never enjoyed that kind of teamwork and rapport. Too often it has been the case that if Tim dosen't score then nobody will.
One other aspect that is conveniently forgotten is the lightning pace of the todays game compared to yesteryear.
Without wishing or dreaming of taking anything away from Balls contribution to the cause I still maintain that Cahill is of comparable status.
78 Posted 19/10/2010 at 23:15:14
I also apologise for the tone and some of the content of my post.
Cahill for what it's worth will be a legend if only for his commitment to the cause.
We will have to agree to disagree with regards their footballing ability.
79 Posted 19/10/2010 at 23:41:10
80 Posted 20/10/2010 at 09:11:03
81 Posted 20/10/2010 at 10:58:23
The only thing missing is a trophy!
82 Posted 20/10/2010 at 12:22:02
I miss Rafa..
83 Posted 20/10/2010 at 13:51:42
If the team around him were to his own standard, I am sure there would be a few medals in his locker.
84 Posted 20/10/2010 at 13:59:22
Alec Young and Arteta are worthy selections for one or more of these reasons. Not far behind are Timmie, Peter Reid and a host of other players many of us cannot remember. This has been a great topic of discussion and will always be popular but it's like picking your favourite film. Everyone has a different choice for different reasons.
85 Posted 20/10/2010 at 17:45:03
86 Posted 20/10/2010 at 22:50:32
I can?t believe people question this. Tim Cahill plays for Everton like a fan on the street would.
This pre-season all the talk of playing Billy in his role behind Saha, what bollocks.
Everton is built on players like Neville Cahill and Jagielka.
I said it before moths ago but heading is just as much an important part of football as passing, finishing, first touch etc.
I watched the semi final of the champions league barca v Inter and needing one more goal to qualify a headed chance fell to Bojan and he fluffed it,. I kept thinking what Timmy would of done with that
Cahill Everton legend, in 30 years time I?ll be telling me grand kids about him, no doubt.
87 Posted 21/10/2010 at 00:30:42
88 Posted 22/10/2010 at 01:03:49
Not sure. Maybe. I think if he beats Dixies scoring record at Anfield he wil be - just one to go......
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