Reading "The Independent" today I came across an interesting article by Nick Harris and Sam Wallace regarding Wayne Rooney.
Rooney could leave Man Utd next summer by buying out the final year of his contract for the cost of his current yearly salary (£5M) - plus small compensation fee. He could do this using the Webster Ruling - named after former Hearts player Andy Webster. See link for details: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/rooney-could-quit-united-for-only-1635m-2110324.html
Now just imagine this scenario, Rooney decides he wants out of Utd, his family who are all Evertonians as he is, see his future closer to home, with his wife and child. Over the last 18 months he has been building bridges with David Moyes, Evertonians etc. He decides to come back to Everton, will accept the wages he is on at Man Utd currently and EFC pay the £5M to Man Utd, we get a world class player, in his prime for a comparative pittance.
Will Evertonians accept him? After all, his transfer fee stopped EFC going to the wall, but his antics since have caused a great rift between him and Everton, but he did attend the FA Cup Final v Chelsea, his son is being brought up a Blue.
Stranger things have happened and the betting has him at 50-1 to re-join Everton?
Larry Boner, Posted 19/10/2010 at 10:55:08
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1 Posted 18/10/2010 at 21:18:17
2 Posted 19/10/2010 at 09:04:34
3 Posted 19/10/2010 at 09:24:16
4 Posted 19/10/2010 at 10:14:04
5 Posted 19/10/2010 at 10:19:11
He Joins us on Loan in Jan. He buys out his contract, joins Everton for free after helping us to a top four place and an FA Cup win following an 18-win streak after Xmas during his loan spell.
In Season 2011-12, Everton are the first team ever to win the Premier League, FA Cup, Carling Cup and Champions League. Rooney is on fire and is the Leading scorer in Euro 2012.
Unfortunately BK is still looking 24/7 and still no-one will invest in the club and Rooney is so fed up with the Club's lack of ambition leaves for Chelsea for £80M on a 4-year deal on £300k per week. As he leaves Goodison for the second time he gives Bill and Davey a big wink as if to say, "Back soon"...
Got to stop posting now as the Pussycat Dolls are bringing me my breakfast and I don't know which of them I want to share a shower with. Ah what the hell I'll let them all shower with me.
Dream On fellas
6 Posted 19/10/2010 at 10:20:45
7 Posted 19/10/2010 at 12:11:44
I just think this will blow over and we will get him back in about 7 yrs when he is on the back end of his career. I just hope I'm wrong.
8 Posted 19/10/2010 at 12:08:05
9 Posted 19/10/2010 at 13:30:48
Oh that's right, he's an uncultured scouser, working class background and would be lost in a country like Spain, I mean, only those who have been rich since birth and had regular holidays in Spain as a child are cultured enough to make the move abroad. It would be almost impossible for a multi-millionaire with lots of spare time to learn a language.
nb: For all his faults, Gazza became fluent in Italian.
10 Posted 19/10/2010 at 14:17:55
Man City or abroad, Why Everton ? It's not as if Manchester is a couple of thousand miles away is it.
11 Posted 19/10/2010 at 14:22:17
It would take Rooney £5 million to buy himself out of his contract for the final year (his signing on fee). Rooney left to make his millions, seek fame and win medals. He has done all this now. Is this the time he might consider to make his return. I'm sure that wages of a £100,000 could be found and would be enough to secure his services, due to his love for the club!
Would Wayne be interested in a move back to Goodison park, and more importantly would the fans want him back?
12 Posted 19/10/2010 at 14:22:45
If the transfer was to involve a swap then how would this affect our slice of the money. Its stated that Benzema & Diarra + £20m would go to Man U, but how do you calculate the value of the 2 players, would they be purposely devalued in the transfer for taxes or this bonus payment?
13 Posted 19/10/2010 at 14:21:34
In any case Wayne wouldn't come for any wages we could even dream of paying, not yet anyway. So no point in even thinking about it.
14 Posted 19/10/2010 at 14:26:40
15 Posted 19/10/2010 at 14:30:27
16 Posted 19/10/2010 at 14:32:47
17 Posted 19/10/2010 at 14:36:35
18 Posted 19/10/2010 at 14:29:56
As totally unlikely as it first seemed, (and still does to be honest) the idea of Wayne coming back to Everton ISN'T as stupid, mad, ridiculous as some would have us believe.
He doesn't want to go abroad. He doesn't really want to move (homewise). He's absolutely minted so money isn't (shouldn't) be the deciding factor...parity with Everton's top earners and sponsorship deals etc would see him alright methinks.
What he probably wants, and is just realising it after all thegoings on, is to be loved! The lad's head will be absolutely battered over recent events (which on his part were unforgiveable) and he needs stability in an environment where he feels safe and secure (I'm being serious here)...and where else other than where you grew up.
Moving to Everton would benefit the club immensely in the extra publicity etc gained..and watch investors THEN line up to throw money in. Sponsorship deals, merchandising etc etc etc... the possibilities are endless...
On the footballing side of things. When Rooney left we weren't ready, or good enough (lets be honest) for a player of his ability.....
WE ARE NOW!
...and the number of other players that would look at Everton in a different light (should Rooney re-sign) would be make transfer windows a totally different matter!!!
I tell you! Rooney rejoining Everton SHOULDN'T be looked upon as a bit of a joke because I think the time, the conditions, everything.... is just about right.
Come home Wayne, sort out your personal life, settle down, ... and after a couple of goals in the Anfield derby...all those who said they'd never forgive....will.
19 Posted 19/10/2010 at 14:40:13
As regards his ability to adjust and settle into a foriegn country, learn the language and the culture, I am sure to would be capable of learning the language, whether he wants to, is another matter entirely. As Ian Rush once so eloquently put it "Its just like living in a foreign country"
As regards Mr Gascoinge, I know he was fluent in Italian as I witnessed him burping his answers (in Italian) to journalists at Rome airport.
20 Posted 19/10/2010 at 14:53:44
Surely that would be welcome news to Moyes? Very unlikely we will ever see Rooney in the blue of Everton.
21 Posted 19/10/2010 at 14:56:31
I think this actually constitutes a new twist and is gaining a lot of attention... so here we are. I've put a redirect at the end of your earlier thread.
22 Posted 19/10/2010 at 14:58:52
Anyone who thinks he'll return to the Toffees is insane by the way.
23 Posted 19/10/2010 at 15:18:30
So Wayne bangs in a request with promises of we'll put a bid in for you. Billy then in true style states that the buy out was not right for EFC and the search goes on.
Well it's more plausable than the hope that he may resign for us.
24 Posted 19/10/2010 at 15:27:38
25 Posted 19/10/2010 at 15:23:57
Fate dictates that those who can appear arrogant and supercilious are sometimes forced to squirm occasionally. Given the history, it?s added a delicious irony being able to watch the extract on the BBC.
With regard to managing Rooney, old boy, I am afraid you?re officially a failure. Not up to the job. No queeeestion about that. Enjoy.
26 Posted 19/10/2010 at 15:28:16
27 Posted 19/10/2010 at 15:35:26
I wonder if Roberto Mancini is about to have round of golf with Paul Stretford, and then start effing and blinding at a journalist for asking him about it?
I also wonder how much Mr Stretford will ?earn? for moving his ?client? to Man City, Real Madrid or Barcelona? I reckon it might be more than the £1.5 million he ?earned? for negotiating his ?clients? move to Man Utd.
It?s times like these that makes me fucking hate football, and all the money grabbing bastards that leach from it.
28 Posted 19/10/2010 at 15:38:06
29 Posted 19/10/2010 at 15:37:50
A thought though - Benzema for Rooney seems to be general tabloid rumour at the moment. Wouldn't Rodwell for Rooney seem more likely?
30 Posted 19/10/2010 at 15:33:22
31 Posted 19/10/2010 at 15:50:58
32 Posted 19/10/2010 at 16:07:12
Been searching on a well known search engine but can?t find the official breakdown, must be on the web somewhere!!
33 Posted 19/10/2010 at 15:55:43
Rooney's got too many people whispering in his ear about £200K+ weekly wages.
Barcelona - No
Madrid - At a stretch (mainly because of Ronaldo and Mourinho)
Italy - no chance
For me it's either Citeh (in a deal which sees Tevez or another big player coming the other way + £££) or Chelski for £50-60M.
Either way I think this spells the end of Utd as title challengers for a while and only helps to seriously opens up the top 4 of which I'd argue only Chelsea are guaranteed fixtures and Arsenal are likely.
My early season prediction is:
Plus 2 from:
Spurs (struggling with CL)
Man Utd (slipping seriously)
City (impressive but will stutter when egos clash)
Everton (we all know the start, but we're only 1 win off top 6 now)
Then Villa, West Brom and Liverpool vying over the final european spot.
34 Posted 19/10/2010 at 16:10:29
Curiouser and curiouser; what next, straight swap for Torres or go wherever his wife says?
35 Posted 19/10/2010 at 16:25:37
36 Posted 19/10/2010 at 16:26:47
During this, I dreamt that that we swapped Bilyaletdinov for Rooney in January and a Rooney-fuelled Everton stormed the League in 2011, thus preserving the much fabled '24-year rule.'
Was it the painkillers or was it a premonition? :) I wonder waht the odds would be at the bookies? Incidentally I also dreamt that Roxanne Pallet was lying naked next to me, but woke up to find it was actually the cat lying there.... definitely the wrong type of pussy!
Sadly, I don't think either dream is likely to come true, but it's fun wondering!
37 Posted 19/10/2010 at 16:25:52
"nb: For all his faults, Gazza became fluent in Italian"
That was slurred Geordie speak, Fran!!!!
Still not sure about the Rooney thing - grew to despise him a bit after the blatant badge-kissing, etc.
However, I think that I can honestly say that I know just how I would feel if he were to twat one of those goals in for Everton..........
38 Posted 19/10/2010 at 16:38:57
39 Posted 19/10/2010 at 16:38:32
40 Posted 19/10/2010 at 16:33:05
Only slightly more amazing is the cant from SAF. Far from turning Rooney into a better player, he's actually worse now than when he was 17 and looks physically and mentally shot to bits. Not only is he a worse player for going to Manure but he hasn't exactly been protected in his "private" life either. He must go down as one of the most badly advised players in the history of the game. I hope for his sake and his family's he isn't the next Gazza.
41 Posted 19/10/2010 at 16:41:28
Probably, "I don't wish to comment on other teams players but of course he is a world class player so any team would want him to join" in public but "yes, yes , yes" in private.
Where you are Bill?!
42 Posted 19/10/2010 at 17:06:39
43 Posted 19/10/2010 at 17:08:10
44 Posted 19/10/2010 at 17:21:23
Yeah, I know it's a job and a short career and all that but you have to expect a bit of humanity in these situations and a bit of respect for the supporters who have worshipped him like a god at his previous club.... don't you?
He'll probably sign for Shitty then.
45 Posted 19/10/2010 at 17:28:10
Feb-11: Kisses badge at the Stretford end after scoring the winner in the 98th minute
Once a nobhead, always a nobhead....
46 Posted 19/10/2010 at 17:31:22
Some of us didn't slag him off at the time, and still don't feel like he "stitched us up like a kipper"... or believe Moyes was seriously going to be the next Utd manager anytime soon...
I'd certainly welcome back possibly the most naturally gifted Englisg footballer of a generation. That's not to say he's without faults, far from it.
So no hyposcrisy here!
47 Posted 19/10/2010 at 17:40:46
It was only a light hearted dig mate. I'm still far too happy from Sunday to let ANYTHING bring me down.
Wasn't having a "proper go".
48 Posted 19/10/2010 at 17:51:06
49 Posted 19/10/2010 at 17:53:29
He is the most gifted player of his generation but seems to be doing his best to piss it up the wall.
50 Posted 19/10/2010 at 17:46:07
But I think you've raised a good point there with the Gazza comparison. Maybe he just needs someone like Alan Stubbs (who was at his wedding) to put an arm around him to say everything will be all right when you come back home.
51 Posted 19/10/2010 at 18:04:45
He'd undoubtedly improve our team. He'd push us into the top 4 no question, but there is absolutely no chance on earth that he is leaving United to come back to us.
He is all about the money. He's on £80,000, Balotelli is on £0200,000, Rooney wants to get to or near to that figure. He cares about United the same as playing for us, meaning he'd happily move to City, Chelsea, Madrid or Barca if the money is right.
Anyone thinking otherwise is living in an alternate dimension.
52 Posted 19/10/2010 at 18:06:32
These comments from 2004 sounds like we get a quarter of any profit from a sale. Rooney could fetch £60m, profit of £30m we get £7.5m. Surely we can get Landon in January now?
53 Posted 19/10/2010 at 18:34:08
That's why I hate it when Jags & Bainsey get picked for the England team. The likes of Lescott and Barry will be waving their wage slips under their noses. As soon as Rodwell gets a shout for the senior squad, he will go the same way, with his sly fucking agent about to share the biggest payday of his life.
54 Posted 19/10/2010 at 18:34:27
55 Posted 19/10/2010 at 19:06:09
So I'm not the only one who has that dream......
56 Posted 19/10/2010 at 19:15:05
Will ManU fans forgive anyone - even the blessed one from Govan - if he is allowed to sign for Chelsea or especially Man City? I think not.
What might be a good way out to save face and theoretically admonish Rooney? Send him back to the Toffees in January for 6 months with no CL exposure or (at least in their minds) limited chance of success in the PL. Selling him on somewhere else in summer suddenly becomes more palatable.
If this became a catalyst for Everton to go onto the next level of CL qualification, a trophy and higher world exposure I'd be willing to take the chance. I think he would be interested as well. Problem is... would he be welcome back here.
I really don't think this is as unfeasible as it sounds and the writer of this good article, Larry Boner, is right to highlight family influence about Rooney's decision-making.
57 Posted 19/10/2010 at 20:19:28
Then again we might get him for £5m in the summer(i wish). How about swapping him for Johnny H who seems to be after a move!!! COYB
58 Posted 19/10/2010 at 20:38:33
I am watching Fergie on SkySports giving a press conference looking dumb-founded at Rooney's lack of loyalty. What does he expect from soemone who cheats on his pregnant wife and leaves his childhood club at the drop of a hat?
59 Posted 19/10/2010 at 20:48:10
60 Posted 19/10/2010 at 21:01:16
61 Posted 19/10/2010 at 20:58:07
62 Posted 19/10/2010 at 21:03:11
A - Yes.
Q - Would I have him back ?
A - In a fcukin shot.
Q - Will it happen ?
A - Absolutely no fcukin chance.
Because we have a stagnant Board, totally lacking in vision or dynamism. When added to the fact that that tosser Stretford is still his agent, don't be surprised if Wayne ends up at Sitteh, where both he and his scum of an agent can get the biggest bucks. The latest sad indictment of modern money mad football!!
63 Posted 19/10/2010 at 21:00:28
I cant help but admire your thinking. I remember you were the first person who pointed out the "24-year rule" about 2 years ago and you are still not giving up on it.
64 Posted 19/10/2010 at 21:37:13
65 Posted 19/10/2010 at 21:38:32
But Peter Fearon, you're wrong about Rooney's relationship with Moyes. They're actually on pretty good terms now.
66 Posted 19/10/2010 at 21:42:28
Another £5m will get us fuck all and he will have shafted us again.
67 Posted 19/10/2010 at 21:48:21
68 Posted 19/10/2010 at 21:02:35
In the ensuing fixtures chants of "Rooney's gona get yaa" Good times; how sad it all turned out. Without question, I would love it if he came home to lead Everton to some silverware. After all he is a proper Scouser unlike Gerrard (Whiston Scouser?) and Carrager (Alien), which always made me wonder why he didn't show the same loyalty.
69 Posted 19/10/2010 at 22:42:13
70 Posted 19/10/2010 at 22:26:39
71 Posted 19/10/2010 at 22:18:47
Dec, 24th 2010.
Sky bloke: "That's this weekend's big relegation battle between Liverp.....and um we're going to break off there and to go over to Goodison for the press conference that we have been told will 'momentous' and 'a Christmas present for every Evertonian'"
Cut to the Bernie Wright suite: Big long table with 5 chairs. After an hour looking at the empty chairs, in troop Rooney, Stretford, Moyes, Round (if he hasn't taken over at Boro) and a beaming Luvington Darling.
They sit (someone says something that makes them laugh nervously but we can't hear what it was)
Stretford leans into microphone: "Wayne will be reading a prepared statement, after that neither he or I will be answering questions. Any questions you have should be directed at the Manager and or Chairmen, thank you....Wayne?"
Wayne, head down, reads: "First of all I would like to thank the staff and players of Manchester United for all their help in my time there. It is a fantastic club and I will never forget all their kindness. Many years ago, In a youth cup game for Everton, I wore the t-shirt 'once a blue, always a blue'. I know this upset many Evertonians after my move to United but (looks up) I meant it then and I mean it now. Everton football club is the club my family and myself love. This might seems strange when you have seen me kiss the United badge, but I done this - cough, drinks water - sorry, I done this because I was fumin' at gettin' slagged an all that. I left Everton at a very young age partly because I was probably a bit too big for my boots and wouldn't listen to anyone. I was always gutted though and always wanted to come home. I am back at Everton now and don't expect to be forgiven immediately for my past. What I intend to do is keep my head down, concentrate on my football and my family. Thank you and COME ON YOU BLUES!!".
Him and Stretford leave as questions are shouted from press.
Observer: "Wayne will you be forgiven by Evertonians?"
Times: "Wayne, Sky TV - brilliant or what?"
Sun: "Wayne that prozzie, shaved or..."
For his first appearance, there is mainly subdued applause and a few noticible boos; however, his performances for the rest of the season are incredible. He helps us to a CL place and all is forgiven.
Not only that but the following season, he knocks the ciggies on the head and his added fitness takes us to our first title since 1987.
Oh and yes... Liverpool went down.
72 Posted 19/10/2010 at 23:35:31
73 Posted 20/10/2010 at 00:02:08
5 Years in Spain, then maybe he'll be coming home.
74 Posted 20/10/2010 at 00:32:45
75 Posted 20/10/2010 at 00:33:42
76 Posted 20/10/2010 at 01:16:31
77 Posted 20/10/2010 at 01:24:12
1) In 2004 Rooney was, in all probability not very mature ( I remember thinking at 18 that I knew it all and everything was just so simple and why can't every one else see it, dummiies )
2) He thus listened to the wrong people.
The question is just how much has he matured and just who is he listening to now...and more to the point what are they saying.
It could happen and I'm sure a sponsor could and would be found to fund the shortfall in wages, the price is always right if it's high enough.
What shirt number should he have??
78 Posted 20/10/2010 at 01:42:58
79 Posted 20/10/2010 at 02:29:55
80 Posted 20/10/2010 at 02:52:47
Would he make us proper challengers? Yep!
Is the ANY chance he actually will return? Nah......
81 Posted 20/10/2010 at 02:59:54
It's not going to happen, dreaming about it makes you all look desperate. Rooney is incapable of the hilarious scenario in post 72 as he can't string five words together. It's all about money for Wayne, always has been. When he left Everton, United were the best deal for him. With the financial winds changing and City throwing money around, he's jumping ship again to potentially double his money.
He's a braindead mercenary. He'll throw his career down the pan within a few years because football will no longer keep him happy. He's already shagging around, smoking, the drink will start, he might have a stint in Spain/Italy once his City career backfires, then around the age of 32 he'll arrive back at Goodison as a burnt out wreck of a player grabbing the last easy paycheck courtesy of 35'000 gullible idiots paying to watch him.
The best we can hope for is that the 25-35% profit of next sale is still valid and that we get a tidy £5-6m on him.
82 Posted 20/10/2010 at 03:21:03
But that's me. I wouldn't have Stretford banging on about money down my ear and I'd have the intelligence to make a decision for myself.
So, unfortunately, Rooney is off to City to enjoy £200k a week.
83 Posted 20/10/2010 at 04:21:58
Obviously it's pure dream talk that he is going to nip back to us, so let's be honest and hope they sell him to the highest bidder. Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't the original transfer deal give us 25% of the transfer sell-on?
I'd stick the money back into reducing our debt, being a steady sort of bloke, and also being happy with our current squad too.
The results are slowly coming, let's not blow it all, if anything can we sell a more financially stable club to those few remaining billionaires to toy with?
I hope Bill wins the lottery or something personally!
84 Posted 20/10/2010 at 04:34:18
But is so happens NESV will show the world they mean business.
85 Posted 20/10/2010 at 05:44:11
I'm stuck at work, no access ;)
86 Posted 20/10/2010 at 07:19:16
In the inside pages there's also a picture of Coleen out shopping. I turn on my TV and she there doing adverts - why is she famous? What has she done ? Oh yeah she's married to somebody who's famous so that justifies her mega deal with whichever celeb magazine/designer label.
Now I don't mind footballers earning good money - it is a short career after all. However I think it has got way out of hand. When I was a kid the likes of Alex Young would earn about 3 or 4 times what the average wage was - now these guys can earn in a week what the average person would take years to earn.
Do you really want this money grabbing mercenary and his entourage - including that obnoxious creature Stretford back at Goodison ? I certainly don't. He is yet another example of an over hyped over paid footballer who thinks that he is a legend.
I was pleased to see Kevin Campbell back at Goodison on Sunday - I think he is far more deserving of the title "Everton hero" than Rooney. His goals kept us in the Premier League. Rooney plays for one team and one team only and that's TEAM ROONEY. He has played in 2 World Cups and one European Championship - if he really was "World Class" he would have dominated those stages - he didn't.
He used Everton as a launch pad for his career - that's all we were to him. Yes he started at Everton as a kid and I've seen the pictures of him as a mascot. However the truth is we have had more loyalty from some of the players that we signed than Rooney. Wayne Rooney is loyal only to himself - that's the way it is with him. I don't believe that's the case with all players - but it is with Rooney - he has seen how much he can earn and that's become the driving force for him - so good riddance.
Once he retires if he come back to make a public appearance at Goodison cheer him if you want to - I wont.
87 Posted 20/10/2010 at 07:49:27
88 Posted 20/10/2010 at 07:53:02
The difference is Rooney is, undoubtedly, a genuinely world class footballer. If he came to Everton, he'd improve the sides quality... but maybe he'd demoralise the squad with his attitude, baggage and agent.
89 Posted 20/10/2010 at 07:59:09
I'll wake up and our number nine is living in a semi in Crocky, Coleen's got a job as a dinner lady down the school and Kai's just became the youngest ever Everton signing at twelve months old.
Plus the world's richest man has finally got in touch with BK after the phone bill was paid.
90 Posted 20/10/2010 at 08:41:45
He will either go for nothing or at a cut price due to the little time remaining on his contract, I read a report this morning saying Barca would pay nothing more than £25m for him, so he will leave Man Utd for nothing or next to nothing and we will make nothing on the move cos Man Utd will make no profit from his move!
Bad for his current employers Man Utd; bad for Everton ? but good for him, and his bank balance... this is the way the modern game is thanks to player power a la Pienaar.
91 Posted 20/10/2010 at 09:03:33
Rooney's leaving United because he wants more money than United can offer, and he's rightly concerned that United are stagnating because they don't have the funds to invest that City, Real and others have. He wants to play and earn at the elite level.
Which bit of that has him taking a massive pay cut and moving back to mid-table Everton? Seriously... I don't know sometimes. All the vitriol against him over the years, and now some of us are apparently fantasising about having the nastly little scumbag back in the team?
92 Posted 20/10/2010 at 09:26:40
93 Posted 20/10/2010 at 09:52:57
94 Posted 20/10/2010 at 10:07:37
95 Posted 20/10/2010 at 10:08:02
Unfortunately Billy K scuppers the deal by offering salary parity with Tony Hibbert and two tickets to his latest production "Wank Rag". That's what my crystal ball tells me anyway.
96 Posted 20/10/2010 at 09:21:43
I'd have him back in a heartbeat.
Maybe it is a pipedream, but who really knows why he wants to leave.
At 24 he's probably made more money than he can spend. Unlikely that he will come back, but remotely possible.
97 Posted 20/10/2010 at 10:19:19
I've just heard from Tal Bel Haim's sister-in-law that's he's going to be the fulcrum of the Rooney - Riquelme - Moutinho axis.... wha-hoooooo!!!!!!
Rooo-ney!!! Roooo-ney!!! Rooo-ney!!!!
98 Posted 20/10/2010 at 10:22:32
99 Posted 20/10/2010 at 10:29:46
Maybe he comes back.
Maybe we get some sell-on.
Or worst case scenario it weakens Utd, our (potential) Premier League rivals.
I wonder if he did come back whether that would necessarily be a good thing given
a) how poor he has looked for the last 6 months
b) where his head is at
c) the destabilisng effect it may have on the team.
I'd probably still take him in a heartbeat. If nothing else it would mean we would have two of the the main player sponsors of FIFA 11!
100 Posted 20/10/2010 at 10:01:09
Firstly, the media coverage.
Almost to a man the press and television journalists are talking about Rooney's betrayal of Ferguson and Manchester United. They talk of how the club nurtured him, turned him into one of the best strikers in the world, only for him to kick the club, the manager and the supporters in the teeth for the sole purpose of filling his (and presumably his agent's) pockets.
It is also reported by the same media that he regrets Manchester United's lack of ambition and the (probable) consequent drying up of the trophy conveyer belt. He wants to win things....so they say.
Well, aren't they exactly the same reasons he left Everton? Didn't our club do most of the nurturing, bringing on a nine-year old kid to a position where he could take the European Championships by storm at the age of 16? Didn't our club and our supporters feel betrayed too?
Yet I don't remember David Moyes calling a press conference to begin the character assassination of Rooney and I certainly don't remember Everton receiving any sympathy or Rooney receiving any villification from the media at the time for what he did.
Then, it was a matter of Rooney doing the only sensible thing and moving to a club where he could realise and maintain his full potential. What a clever young man. Now he will shine.They said.
What's the fucking difference? If Rooney can sense Manchester United are in decline (as I think they are) what is different about him turning his back on them and going somewhere, to another club, which is a 'rising star'? No difference at all except it's Manchester United this time and not lowly Everton!
Secondly, the view that many have expressed on here, that they would welcome him back 'home' not only demeans them but the club itself.
There is no doubt that as a player, at his best Rooney could grace any football club in the world and improve it. As a player I would love to have him at Everton. But as a personality, and as a man (he ain't no badly advised kid anymore) he fucking sucks and he is not good enough for our club. This prick is more than capable of doing what would be the worst possible betrayal of the supporters of the club whose badge he became so fond of kissing and who grew to idolise him by sticking two fingers up to them and going to their neighbours. I fully expect that to happen. And he will do it for the money.
Whether it does happen or not, the man is a shithouse and he is not fit to wear the blue shirt of Everton Football Club even if that is what he wanted (which I doubt). He's not fit to scrape the mud from Tim Cahill's boots, wipe Tony Hibbert's arse or clean Mikey's house. Because they are what loyalty and respect are all about. While they may not be able to match Rooney's talent, as people, as role-models, they leave him wallowing in the slime.
He and his agent are lying toe-rags and that was proven iin Court. Yet they are still a 'team'. That says a lot to me.
It tells me that people like these are inexorably dragging this beautiful game further and further into the shit. God knows, the game has always had its dodgy characters but it has never plumbed these depths. But that is where these two, ably assisted by a two-faced media, are dragging it to.
101 Posted 20/10/2010 at 10:57:26
I think wiping Hibbo's arse is EXACTLY what he's fit for!
102 Posted 20/10/2010 at 10:36:46
The facts around Utd are:
1/ They are the next Liverpool, deep in debt and cannot afford big transfers in anymore with the Glazers in charge.
2/ Rooney has seen Ronaldo and Tevez leave because of this.
3/ As stated in the Rooney article, he has been flogged in out of position roles by Utd and left to suffer fans' abuse when not performing for England in summer tournaments.
He has no loyalty to Utd, so where does he go? Colleen won't leave England with her sister in Alder Hey. This leaves one club financially and locally: Man City. It would be totally against current footballing greed for Rooney to opt for Everton and a massive shock for anyone in football.
Rooney see's Man City as a side competing with the best in Europe. We all think Utd will snap their fingers for Rodwell at £25m, when all I can see is City offering £50m for him and £50m for Wilshire from Arsenal. Rooney will not come to Everton, it's City nailed on.
On the plus side, £60m to Real Madrid, becomes £90m for Man City and a £15m cut for us. That's as good as it gets for us, so stop the dreaming and enjoy some cash revenue to push us on.
103 Posted 20/10/2010 at 11:09:18
For some reason, I was outside Anfield this morning and heard Roy Hodgson say "looks like Wayne's coming."
I was gonna wait and find out more but it started to piss down so I got off.
Not my joke though, heard it somewhere else, but made for a good laugh so decided to post it on here.
104 Posted 20/10/2010 at 11:19:21
105 Posted 20/10/2010 at 11:05:27
106 Posted 20/10/2010 at 11:36:24
"Everton have also negotiated a 25% 'sell-on' agreement, under which they would receive a quarter of any excess sum over all amounts paid in this agreement"
Does that mean if it was £30M we'd get 25% or does it mean if we've had £27M already, we'd get 25% of £3M? (ie, the excess sum over all amounts paid).
I'm shite at financial stuff so be grateful if someone could explain.
107 Posted 20/10/2010 at 11:47:03
Rooney's going to City surely?
Pro's - club on the up, unlimited buying power, doesn't have to up sticks, already can speak Manc, wedge wedge wedge (£1m a month....?)
Cons - will get some abuse from Man Utd fans. Team not there yet, might take a couple more seasons to be real title contenders etc.
The pro's speak for themselves. As for the abuse I think he would look at the Stretford End and think there's nothing you can do / say to me that I've not had in L4 4EL. Also - if he's hacked off with SAF and United what better way to fuck them back off than go to City.....?
The only other contenders for me are Real Madrid, it's a two horse race.
108 Posted 20/10/2010 at 11:49:19
109 Posted 20/10/2010 at 11:54:41
Why would SAF say all I ask is you respect the honour and traditions of this club?
Why wouldnt he? What's he going to say that could damage the honour and integrity of the club.....?
"..... and anyway, those hookers you know, all organised by the club, all part of the culture of MUFC, the club knew.... the club even paid...."
110 Posted 20/10/2010 at 11:49:36
111 Posted 20/10/2010 at 12:21:24
So basically we're looking for him to go for £50m or so, which would give us around £6m.
Shit that would be great!
112 Posted 20/10/2010 at 12:35:53
Maybe we should start a bidding war and offer £100m! Then gulp when they say OK.......
113 Posted 20/10/2010 at 13:07:29
"Phil, I owe you an apology. I gave Rooney the benefit of the doubt when he left Everton but now it is clear he is a money grabbing traitor!" ? Oldham and England fan
"I feel a bit silly for defending him all this time! What an idiot! You were right all along" ? Spurs and England fan
I could never make non-Evertonians understand how/why we were so upset about Rooney's leaving ? Dave Roberts, you said it all, mate
114 Posted 20/10/2010 at 13:47:05
Pricks. The media are pricks, every last one of them, and I hope we remember it when we're challenging for honours in 40 years time.
115 Posted 20/10/2010 at 14:33:19
Offer ten million and when they turn us down, offer three and say 'he's not that good'
(for...um...a laugh like...type stuff)
116 Posted 20/10/2010 at 14:23:02
Having said that, I'd nick Johnny Heitinga's Barcelona bike and give him a backy down the M62 to see him in an Everton shirt again.
117 Posted 20/10/2010 at 14:58:33
Firstly let me state my understanding of our sales contract with Manchester United re the Wayne Rooney sales. Perhaps Micheal or anyone else could let me know if this is incorrect.
I believe that the potential add ons for winning the Champions League, Premier League, FA Cup and League Cup as well as the add ons for goals, United appearances and England appearance were written out of the contract during the sales of Howard and Neville to us. However the 25% OF EVERYTHING ABOVE £27M STILL STANDS as United didn't think he would be leaving.
I have been given what I deem as reliable (though not explicitly correct) information as follows:
That Manchester City and Manchester United have already agreed a fee of £60m for Wayne Rooney on wages of £250k per week. Rooney handed in his transfer request in August in the hope that he would leave before Deadline Day, however it never happened. That is why Rooney has been a bit part player and the lies about his injury.
Now that the deal has been done, SAF has announced that he is looking to go. I'm not sure of the benefit in that, apart from to try and start a bidding war, as despite an agreement in principal nothing can be signed until January 1st. SAF has previous in undermining transfer deals and has had it happen to him before ? see John Obi Mikkel and Alan Shearer.
This leaves Everton with a dividend of £8.25m which will be used to sign Landon Donovan permanently in January and talks are being held with the MLS. It may also be the case that a fee has been agreed as the MLS have confirmed today that they will allow Landon Donovan to return to England to play for Everton.
Landy Cakes has also been making some interesting Twitter comments in the last week in support of Everton and also mocking Liverpool fans no less.
?Go on Toffees? before the match and then on Sunday night ?A lot of Liverpool fans talking on here yesterday, where are you now?.
If this is all correct then big thanks to Wayne, unwittingly you may have just given us a great present.
118 Posted 20/10/2010 at 15:06:58
119 Posted 20/10/2010 at 15:19:40
I hope you are right on multiple levels: 1. It improves Everton if we get LD 2. It seriously impacts United both in the short term and also from a prestige perspective to get trumped like this on what was the jewel in their slipping crown 3. Karma 4. Living in the US I think having LD on the team will improve the number of games and their profile - and the profile of the club in general - over here.
(OK, so it's still City, but that's not the point ... one day this will happen to City ... and some would even say we're enjoying a taste of our own after signing Ball etc from other clubs during the 60's).
120 Posted 20/10/2010 at 16:20:23
121 Posted 20/10/2010 at 16:30:17
Landon has been in the media today saying he may be open to a loan move but even that would be subject to how he feels after a tiring season.
Also, £60m for a player who has requested a transfer and is on the verge of running out his contract is absolutely ludicrous. Even Mercenary City have the sense to know they have United on the rack; £30m tops.
122 Posted 20/10/2010 at 16:10:55
I don't think we did too much wrong when we signed Bally!
We came in late with a dirty big offer when it looked as if he was going to Leeds, so Blackpool had already agreed to let him go....and in any case, his dad told him he had to stay in Lancashire! There was only one place he was going after that. The Shite Board wouldn't give Shankly the money so he couldn't go there even though they wanted him.
'Once Everton touch you, nothing is the same!' Unless your name is Rooney (or Lescott)
123 Posted 20/10/2010 at 16:44:07
£8.25m could be the magic number.
Also the same cut from a £60m transfer for Rooney to City.
Anyone ready to praise BK for some sound business dealings yet ?
Cheers Wayne, played a blinder.
124 Posted 20/10/2010 at 17:02:20
125 Posted 20/10/2010 at 17:14:58
Re Landon saying it depends on tiredness etc, you need to quote his full quote which was something along the lines of "I must make sure I am not failing the club I am joining."
126 Posted 20/10/2010 at 17:48:07
127 Posted 20/10/2010 at 17:55:27
128 Posted 20/10/2010 at 17:57:01
129 Posted 20/10/2010 at 17:53:07
He's acheived so much so young that really, he doesn't have any passion for United anymore. I doubt he'd go to Chelsea as he knows the implications and I doubt he'd even dream of going to Spurs. I honestly believe that, if he does leave, GP is his only viable destination. He'd be a fans favourite; he wouldn't have to put up with Ferguson; Coleen and his family would be happy; and it would be his homecoming.
130 Posted 20/10/2010 at 18:32:21
131 Posted 20/10/2010 at 18:53:39
Dave #100.. don't know if anyone read Phil McNulty's blog on BBC sport ... his post 100 is spot on and gets a lot of people agreeing --- there is little sympathy for Man U or Ferguson..many realise he is getting exactly what he does to many other teams.... if it weren't for players not been 100% loyal he would never have got 90% of his side.. let alone even Rooney.. it's complete hypocracy... its not only Evertonians that see it!
132 Posted 20/10/2010 at 19:17:43
But he ain't coming, so how come that we end up with a 132 thread on a non-subject. In a statement Shrek, states that Man U have no ambition, and that's why he's leaving, at the same time demanding £ million a week off the same club-so does mean that he will suffer the pain of being with a club lacking in ambition, as long as they give him the money. What a slut! let's face it Stretford's been pimping him around and has found a willing buyer, probably Citteh.
Really all of us are to blame, we should walk away from this greedy, tawdry game, and make the fuckers work for a living. Talk about more wants more
133 Posted 20/10/2010 at 20:17:25
134 Posted 20/10/2010 at 21:04:04
I don't know what's making me smile more, this thread of watching Spurs get battered in Milan, keep chasing that ball lads, you're not playing again until lunchtime Saturday ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha..................
135 Posted 20/10/2010 at 22:08:17
136 Posted 20/10/2010 at 22:44:03
I can?t believe people question this. Tim Cahill plays for Everton like a fan on the street would.
This pre-season all the talk of playing Billy in his role behind Saha, what bollocks.
Everton is built on players like Neville Cahill and Jagielka.
I said it before moths ago but heading is just as much an important part of football as passing, finishing, first touch etc.
I watched the semi final of the champions league barca v Inter and needing one more goal to qualify a headed chance fell to Bojan and he fluffed it,. I kept thinking what Timmy would of done with that
Cahill Everton legend, in 30 years time I?ll be telling me grand kids about him, no doubt.
137 Posted 20/10/2010 at 22:50:05
138 Posted 21/10/2010 at 03:48:02
With the 50% tax bracket coming, I reckon Stretford is just angling to take his cash cow to a low tax regime.
He's the puppet master; how do you think all these stories re: prostitutes and bust ups come out? And cause maximum destabilisation?
The best we can hope for is for him to go to Citeh...and give those plastic manure arseholes a taste of their own medicine.
139 Posted 21/10/2010 at 04:09:02
He wants to keep winning things, when was the last time we won anything?
Do Everton really have the ambition and the talent to win the league, get into the champs league and win.
Then there is his weekly wage bill.
Sorry but this is a non event. He won't ever come back to us because I believe he will never be accepted back. There is now too much ingrained hatred of the badge kissing manc sucking greedy shithead to allow him to come back.
I read an article in some rag about a year ago, which in part stated Rooney wouldn't be renewing his contract at manure and that he wanted to return to Liverpool..which meant us. The spooky part is, whoever wrote the piece was bang on with the first part. The last imo is completely wrong.
Imagine this, Rooney arrives and we pay him obscene wages, the highest at the club. The other lads see this and demand wage increases to compensate for what he is getting. It would create way too much unrest at the club, and would send us backwards big time.
In a nutshell, no thanks and I don't care where the greedy twat goes either.
140 Posted 21/10/2010 at 06:01:46
I don't think Rooney has got a lot better since he left us. We thought he would become a world beater. He is about as good as Paul Ince. A decent player no more and not much better than a decent player.
141 Posted 21/10/2010 at 07:11:29
World Class footballer he may well be - personally I would wait to see if he does well in a World Cup/European Championship - he is also world class in selfishness. Football is a team game - Rooney plays first and foremost for Team Rooney.
He has shown very little respect for Manchester United - but should anyone be surprised as he showed very little respect for Everton. I remember him kissing the United badge when he scored at Goodison. Contrast that attitude with that of Tim Cahill - he scored against Millwall in a Cup replay, but he refused to make a great celebration of scoring - " They were the team that gave me a start in football - I am not going to rub their noses in it" was the attitude of Tim Cahill. A stark contrast to Wayne Rooney - Everton legend ? No way. He used us and as far as I am concerned he is one of the worst examples of selfish, celebrity footballers around at the moment.
I am not going to say that ALL modern players are of the same ilk - I think that is far to simplistic and I don't think that they are all like Rooney. But the likes of Rooney, Gerrard, Terry, Cole and Lampard are now just as much celebrities as they are footballers. They think they are bigger than the teams that they play for. They aren't and ironically everyone could see the results of this in the World Cup - they strut around thinking they deserve to play because of who they are and that they are automatic choices for club and country.They got battered by a German team including 4 or 5 young lads with about 10 caps between them. I don't normally like Alex Ferguson, but I would love it, just love it if he made the arrogant self obsessed Rooney train with Man United's Reserve team. Or better still got Vidic to kick him all over the training ground !!!!
142 Posted 21/10/2010 at 09:28:09
(wool accent) "CONCENTRATE LAD, CONCENTRATE!!!....DO YOU HEAR ME? IS THIS GETTIN' THROUGH!!"
143 Posted 21/10/2010 at 14:18:22
And he can pay himself low wages as a player and massive wages as Chairman so the other players don't get upset. Marvellous.
I know, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but hey....
144 Posted 21/10/2010 at 14:28:30
His personal life is in tatters, and the media are hounding him out as they love to do, so I don't see any worth in him going to another English club.
His problem now is where does he go? Barca won't buy him purely because they don't need him, and Madrid are now saying they can't afford his wage demends. My choice would be Madrid ? Mourinho is coach and speaks perfect English/knows the player. Ronaldo is there and they're obviously old team mates and Xavi Alonso is also there who will know Rooney on some level and also speaks English. Question is, is Rooney bright enough to be able to see that getting out of the UK is the best thing for him, his family and his career? This I doubt.
He may hold all the cards at Utd, but his options are becoming increasingly limited.
145 Posted 21/10/2010 at 14:41:37
Hundreds of thousands a week or clubs to suit his ambition of winning trophies. We don't fit into either of his required catergories unfortunately.
146 Posted 21/10/2010 at 17:46:06
Chelsea are the favourites to sign Rooney so I?ll start with the reasons why I believe he won?t go to Chelsea. Chelsea already has a decent strikeforce and I believe that it?s highly unlikely United would allow him to leave or it would be Rooney?s first choice of club as he wouldn?t be top dog.
It?s very unlikely Rooney would move to Arsenal or Arsenal would want to sign him. He isn?t Wenger?s type of player and they have only just signed a top class striker. I?m not sure whether they?d have the money either.
While City certainly are one of the richest clubs in the world, one of the most successful they are not. I doubt Rooney would dream of playing for Manchester City as I believe that it would be a ridiculous move for him to make. City have already spent huge amounts on strikers and I can?t see him fitting into their team. Signing him would be extremely controversial in Manchester and I don?t believe United would dream of allowing him to go to City.
Signing for Spurs would be a step backwards for Rooney and again I can?t see with the way Spurs are playing and already having a decent side them spending huge amounts on a disruptive player. Neither Rooney nor Spurs would be interested in this transfer so I think it?s unlikely he?d end up in North London come January.
Seemingly Rooney?s ideal destination but due to other factors I believe a transfer abroad wouldn?t realistically happen. With the recent controversy in Rooney?s life I doubt he?d have the audacity to suggest that his wife and child should move to another country to follow his selfish ambitions. Colleen seems to me to be quite a family-motivated person and with her sister extremely ill and with all her work in Britain, I can?t see Rooney going to Madrid with a wife.
This leaves only 2 options. Rooney has already said some extremely strong statements and seems to have angered his team-mates, the manager and the fans a hell of a lot. I believe that he has burnt all his bridges yet I wouldn?t be surprised if he stayed. If he does leave in January, I believe the only possible destination he could end up in is at Everton.
Due to the reasons mentioned above, I can?t see him going to any of the clubs mentioned. SAF would be wary about allowing his best player to play for one of their rivals. I honestly think that Rooney could end up going to Everton on loan. This would mean he?d remain close to his family, he would be playing in his hometown and he?d be treated like a superstar. I think Rooney could be playing at Goodison Park sooner than you expect.
147 Posted 21/10/2010 at 19:55:52
Don't blame Rooney for going, it wasn't him that stirred it up publicly yet is getting all the stick. Utd's PR bullying tactics as usual.
What a terrific week, wrap it up at Spurs with a win. Perfection.
148 Posted 22/10/2010 at 12:58:39
149 Posted 22/10/2010 at 12:57:51
150 Posted 22/10/2010 at 13:02:21
He's only 24 and still plenty of time to make other cock-ups. Thankfully it won't be our club that people are laughing at.
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