This player is a strange case.
When he arrived at Everton, I thought £6m was a fair transfer fee to pay but his reported, then record, wages I thought were over-rated. I considered Johnny to be slow, inconsistent, thuggish and liable to do something stupid.
I appeared correct in my judgement after his first few games at the Club playing midfield and right-back. Then, because of injuries, he got moved to centre-back. Johnny then transformed into a colossus at the heart of our defence and Everton went on an excellent run. His form continued into the World Cup where Everton had only their second ever World Cup finalist and I thought he had an excellent tournament despite the sending-off in the Final.
A lack of pre-season and again playing in midfield and Johnny seems to be more of a hinderance than a help. I thought he gave the ball away needlessly against Spurs and looked slow and unfit.
I think Moyes needs to decide where to play Johnny: if it's in midfield, then I don't think he is good enough, especially when Fellaini returns, and he is an expensive (wages) sub and also appears to be a disruptive voice in the dressing room. Play him at centre-back and he is world class and happy.
Over to you, Davey...
Matthew Lovekin, Posted 24/10/2010 at 09:07:02
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1 Posted 24/10/2010 at 15:56:27
Won't be surprised if Bily is off-loaded to sign Landon.
2 Posted 24/10/2010 at 16:18:24
3 Posted 24/10/2010 at 16:52:42
4 Posted 24/10/2010 at 16:56:19
5 Posted 24/10/2010 at 17:45:32
And to be honest, he hasn't been that shocking, he just does not dictate games in midfield. 1st half against Spurs, I actually think he did well, same goes for the game against Liverpool. Albeit he was poor in both second halves.
6 Posted 24/10/2010 at 18:02:08
He trots around in much too pedestrian a manner, making unforced errors that he makes no real effort to make up for. He nearly cost us a goal yesterday after we'd been in a promising attacking position, and he did sod all to rectify his error.
I also though he was great once he got moving last year, but I'm finding it hard not to get on his back now- the guy just seems to be asking for it at the moment.
7 Posted 24/10/2010 at 18:03:09
8 Posted 24/10/2010 at 19:10:55
Add to it his high wages, misunderstood (to be generous) comments, and his either daft tackles or giving up on not yet lost causes ? the breakawayby Spurs at the end after he gave the ball away ? All add to a confusing situation as, when he came, I almost joined the clamour for him to be Captain.
I believe he needs a heart-to-heart with DM and either fits in or is flirted out in January.
9 Posted 24/10/2010 at 19:21:33
10 Posted 24/10/2010 at 19:58:42
Last season, he said in his own words he didnt feel fit for the pace of the English Premier Leauge until after the Bolton home game (2-0 February, I think). But last year the injury list was so bad he had to complete 90 mins as there were no other players available.
At this current time, we have injuries but not as bad as last year, so that's why he is getting subbed. Moyes even said he is getting cramp all the time. With Johnny's current form, Fellaini will walk straight back into the team. I would actually prefer Neville over Heitinga at the moment (as Hibbert hasn't really put a foot wrong when played this season anyway).
And yes, I agree with the above comments ? he looks like he is sulking a little. He basicaly has a month to get fit in the midfield position (until Mo is back) and then, if Distin or Jags takes a knock, he will get another chance at centre-half.
Another thing I have not noticed pre-match ? last year he used to jog around the pitch high-fiving all his team mates and pscyhing them up and egging on the fans; this season he has done the above partially and even looks a little reluctant.
11 Posted 24/10/2010 at 20:52:24
The breakaway was in the last ten yesterday
12 Posted 24/10/2010 at 22:52:28
So if we had Jags and Jonny, then we lose the left side we get with Distan.
Heitinga is a better midfielder than Jags.
That is why David Moyes plays them where he does.
13 Posted 25/10/2010 at 00:41:10
He seem to have just the 2 extremes very good or piss poor and a moody attitude to go with it, though which comes 1st the attitude or the form I don't know.
Hopefully Moyes can give him a kick up the arse to get him going again. Or cash in come June.
We can't afford to carry 2 players ( him and Blini ) no matter how small the squad has become.
An average 'trier' from the bench or reserves has to be better than a so called star just going through the motions.
BTW, Any body know how Vaughan has gone since his hat-trick start??
14 Posted 25/10/2010 at 00:54:07
Heitinga excites me when we signed him but after his numerous comments and his latest display, I won't miss him...
Moyes shall realise now it is time to build the team again around Fellaini, Arteta and Rodwell.
No way escape for this...
15 Posted 25/10/2010 at 07:15:21
I thought his passing in the midfield against Spurs was class, and he and Pienaar did really well together with some clever passing and touches to match and at times outplay a bigger-name midfield. I thought Johnny also was good at getting tackles in, & winning/heading bouncing balls in midfield and generally settling, commanding our play. I thought he was a presence in there, ask Van der Vaart.
I still believe Fellaini is the man for the position & Johnny should be at centre-back, but for everyone to rubbish his playing ability so much has surprised me.
I don't think we've seen his class in that position (again Fellaini excepted because I do rate him as world class), composure, ability to pass, intelligence, warrior-like qualities for some time. I am admittedly only a relatively new blue, but can someone please let me know if any predecessors: Phil Neville, Lee Carsley, Tommy G had more class (as a player), pedigree & were of a higher calibre than Johnny H?
16 Posted 25/10/2010 at 07:39:56
I'm not sure when Moyes bought him where exactly he thought his best position is... a bit like Bily.
17 Posted 25/10/2010 at 09:20:49
Heitinga would have to displace Jags, and I think he knows that's unlikely. On the plus side, we're almost guaranteed a return on him, so it's all good!
18 Posted 25/10/2010 at 11:41:28
We could have kept Yobo and perhaps someone cheap like Senderos as cover for Jags and Distin and then used the Heitinga money to buy a wide player or striker. Or has in fact Moyes made a bad 'panic buy' mistake and bought Heitinga as a right-back before discovering his best position is centre-back?
19 Posted 25/10/2010 at 12:23:54
20 Posted 25/10/2010 at 13:15:13
21 Posted 25/10/2010 at 13:05:39
What Rooney cut are you referring to? Please explain.
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