Two more points thrown away, and again it's Tim Howard who must take the blame. Is he doing a good enough job to verify selection week-in, week-out? How many mistakes does he have to make before the more-than-able Mucha gets a chance? With the three points he has cost us so far, we would have been 7th in the league, just behind United and a mile ahead of Liverpool.
So what happened yesterday? If he has made his mind up to go out and punch, then he must get a hand on it. He was high enough, the ball didn't go over him, he just missed it!!
Sometimes I feel he has a nonchalant attitude to his job. Takes things for granted. But did you see Van der Vaarts run? He anticipated where that ball was going, why didn't Distin? Surely if he sees the keeper leave his goal then it should be his job to cover?
A real pity because this would have been a great 3 points, we lost all initiative at a very important time in the game. Otherwise I thought the defence looked good, reducing a powerful Spurs attacking force to a handful of long shots. Pity we were so toothless going forward.
Well... Is it time Jan Mucha got a chance, or are we happy with the job Tim is doing?
Tony Cheek, Posted 24/10/2010 at 09:27:04
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1 Posted 24/10/2010 at 15:52:31
2 Posted 24/10/2010 at 16:10:20
3 Posted 24/10/2010 at 16:46:53
4 Posted 24/10/2010 at 16:47:18
All keepers make mistakes (we saw Van der Saar`s miss last week), but I like to think that no Everton player should take for granted that they play every game.
5 Posted 24/10/2010 at 16:58:05
6 Posted 24/10/2010 at 16:55:44
Van der Vaart being unmarked in the area to make the shot is a bigger concern for me.
7 Posted 24/10/2010 at 17:04:49
8 Posted 24/10/2010 at 17:27:43
I've never rated Woods; bring in Neville Southall or Nigel Martyn ? they would sort the problem out.
9 Posted 24/10/2010 at 17:34:19
10 Posted 24/10/2010 at 17:35:21
Me thinks you have never seen this lad play for us in the reserves or in the first team... I am being diplomatic when I say NO!
11 Posted 24/10/2010 at 17:36:28
It just seems the lad has zero spatial awareness because, when a cross comes either side of his area, he completely flaps or just stands there watching it flop over, 9/10 he will let it go, usually straight into the net.
He simply can't deal with left / right crosses and it's here we are vulnerable with Howard.
The question is, why are our defenders so lackadaisical when defending from either the right or left of our area?
So, for me, the deeper question isn't so much Howard fucking up, but more to do with our defenders stood there ball-watching... which they are usually pretty guilty of on the edge of our box.
12 Posted 24/10/2010 at 17:48:06
An example should be set nevertheless, unless Mucha is considered the same mould as Wessels/Nash.
In the end though, I still think Howard will be No 1 for some time to come.
13 Posted 24/10/2010 at 17:58:13
14 Posted 24/10/2010 at 17:57:55
15 Posted 24/10/2010 at 17:51:35
We only got a point, due to our ineptitude going forward, not because Howard made a mistake. Yet again, our supporters have to find a scapegoat to blame, and made responsible. This is a team game, there are 10 other players on that pitch. if Howard makes mistakes week-in, week-out, then it's a fair call to drop him. But when you get players like Bily and Heitinga constantly failing to deliver, blame deserves to fall with them first.
16 Posted 24/10/2010 at 18:03:13
Briliant Keeper, just a shame his mistakes are resulting in goals. He won't make any more errors this season.
17 Posted 24/10/2010 at 18:56:05
Howard at Everton is a different deal: there is no doubt he is one Moyes's favourites to the extent that, if he is fit, he will start. No ? scratch that: the new Moyes paradigm is, even if you are unfit, you will start!!! Those mistakes Howard makes are clearly NOT counting against him ? despite the words of David Moyes about putting some pressure on him that only I seem to remember...
Howard does a pretty good job, especially close range one-on-one. But 99.9% of penalties saved? Er.. no, but he has saved a few and that's always brilliant for me. I think he has two weaknesses: lack of concentration or focus when dealing with floated crosses (both of his howlers this season), and the ease with which some long-range shots will catch him out.
My comments elsewhere were intended to highlite the fact that Mucha is patently NOT putting any effective pressure on Howard's position. I believe they were empty words from Moyes: Mucha is clearly NOT an option. He is at Everton to sit on the bench as the required sub, needed only to provide cover in the event of injury or red card to Howard.
In this subordinate role, he joins a long list of such poor keepers purchased or retained by Moyes over the last 8½ years:
I will be surprised if Moyes drops Howard to the bench and plays Mucha for a Premier League game.
18 Posted 24/10/2010 at 19:22:08
1) Howard shouldn't be made responsible for his mistake. ? Err.. He made the mistake; of course he's responsible. How laughingly ridicuous!
2) To do so is "scapegoating"?!?! ? Don't be so silly. A player makes a mistake that losess us 2 points ? of course we're going to comment on it. To call that "scapegoating" is pathetic.
3) "We only got a point due to our ineptitude going forward." ? the Moyes game plan, lest you forget, is to grab one from a set-piece and then hold onto the lead by way of superbly disciplined defence. We got the goal brilliantly from the set piece and that was 3 points... we dropped 2 of them when Howard fluffed at the cross. Everything else was playing catchup, which we are not very good at.
4) "Heigtinga and Bily should be blamed instead". ? Unfuckingbelievable! They were poor, but they did not make nor even contribute in any way to the blatant error the keeper made that cost us the win.
19 Posted 24/10/2010 at 19:37:58
20 Posted 24/10/2010 at 20:08:18
People just remember the mistakes when I guarantee, when Mucha or whoever else we have playing, we would have dropped points.
The defenders letting Van der Vaart have that much space is just as bad as a crime.
But no it's always the obvious error - HOWARD, HOWARD, HOWARD
21 Posted 24/10/2010 at 20:16:27
Yes, Tim has effectively cost us a couple of points but for all those of you with really short memories ? go back 6 weeks in time to the 3-3 United game and Howard's unbelievable reaction save in that match. Didn't that effectively gain a point?? There is no need to drop Howard unless the mistakes are happening regularly.
22 Posted 24/10/2010 at 19:58:08
It is fickle to believe that football matches hinge on single isolated incidents. Football matches are over 90 minutes, with 22 participants taking part. Who let Hutton put the cross in? Why didn't Distin follow Van Der Vaarts run? Why did Spurs have the ball anyway? Who lost possession that resulted in the goal? There is no foolish guarantee that says had Howard saved the cross, we would have won. Howard saving that cross may have resulted in us losing the game 4-1, as the whole balance of the game would have changed.
You are looking at the symptom as opposed to the cause. One shot on goal from a set play is not good enough nor deserving to win three points in the Premier League away from home. The simple fact is, we need to play better as a team. Bily and Heitinga were just as much if not more at fault, for being extremely ineffective for 90 minutes. Howard made a single mistake.
And your comment re Moyes is utter bollocks. You must have not watched the Birmingham game or the Derby last week.
23 Posted 24/10/2010 at 20:32:04
24 Posted 24/10/2010 at 20:39:52
Micheal #17. I don't think you can criticise Moyes for retaining Simonsen and Gerrard. I seem to remember him bringing Wright in very quickly after taking charge.
25 Posted 24/10/2010 at 20:48:39
26 Posted 24/10/2010 at 21:50:02
27 Posted 24/10/2010 at 23:05:14
How would Nev or Nigel sort it out? Just because they were great/very good keepers does not mean they will be great coaches.
28 Posted 25/10/2010 at 00:27:09
I must've seen the goal 20 times and it looks worse everytime I see it. He's up there with clamity James, both of them go from the sublime to the ridiculous at the blink of an eye
29 Posted 25/10/2010 at 00:06:19
Baines scores from free-kick ? Goal.
Howard flaps and misses ? Goal.
Baines fails to score from almost identical free-kick: no goal.
Are these the isolated incidents you are rejecting as match-hinging? In each case, they could go either way, but history records they went only one way, and two of those three events determined the outcome of the match.
Of course in your fantasy world, the score could have been anything you like. I'm sorry but I'm not sure quite what twisted mental process you invoke to make that particular diversion relevant to this discussion.
"One shot on goal from a set play is not good enough nor deserving to win three points in the Premier League away from home." ? funny, I've never read that rule, and I'm sure managers whose teams succeed in winning 1-0 away from home might not be familiar with it either. But let's go back to this match and think if you can of Moyes's ethos: score from set piece... defend at all costs. That is the essential game plan. We did okay with one part... we did okay with the other too ? for 93 of the 94 mins. What happened in that other minute... actually more like 5 game-hinging seconds? From an easy floated cross, flying through the keeper's hands, a goal is scored. A goal that most likely would not have been scored if the goalkeeper had not made that error.
The final score was 1-1 ? not 4-1. Spurs scored their one goal through an error made by the Everton goalkeeper. If you can't accept that as reality, then we really are living on different planets.
The derby, we were playing at home, in case you hadn't noticed, and in that game we should have gone for the jugular because we were playing a weak and demoralized pile of shite, but Moyes had them back off and defend because they were all done in at 60-mins.
At Birmingham, the match hinged on one attack in which an own-goal was scored for the the visitors (oh I see your point: not a set-piece! Damn!), who had defended well to that stage and then defended well to the end of the game. They got a very heart-warming goal in added time in the last attack of the match when they were actually trying to play the clock down... you think that disproves the Moyes ethos?
Perhaps I do need to generalize it a little bit ? snatch a goal, *maybe* from a set piece, and defend to the hilt.
30 Posted 25/10/2010 at 03:58:47
31 Posted 25/10/2010 at 09:25:53
Some of us are a fickle bunch... all I can say is careful what you wish for. Look, no-one's claiming that Howard is perfect. He's certainly made more silly, costly mistakes than I would like (but then all keepers make mistakes occasionally, even Van der Sar as seen recently).
Aside from those (relatively few) mistakes, Howard's generally a very good Premier League goalkeeper. He is extremely difficult to beat one-on-one, and makes a lot of top, top class saves. Credit for the way he stepped up after Saturday's mistake, and I can think of any number of times he's saved our bacon. I don't think there's any debate at all that behind Nigel Martyn he's the next best keeper we've had since Southall's heyday.
Of course there's a chance that Mucha is a superb keeper who will make as many top class saves as Howard but with fewer mistakes. I'm not in a position to judge, I've never seen him play. But, to be honest, I think the chances aren't all that good. Personally I'm happy for Howard to stay our No 1 for a long time.
32 Posted 25/10/2010 at 09:58:50
It was in out-swinging cross heading for the far post, it was a brilliant cross also ? had Bainesy put that ball in we'd have been happy.
Howard didn't flap at it either ? he was at full stretch try to punch it clear, he missed it, the rebound hit him and bobbled infront of goal for a tap in ? it happens and we'll get over it.
I bet Moyes is just as unhappy with the defending that allowed the space for the cross.
33 Posted 25/10/2010 at 10:56:20
34 Posted 25/10/2010 at 11:56:11
35 Posted 25/10/2010 at 13:32:06
36 Posted 25/10/2010 at 13:41:40
I need some virtual flags to put out!
37 Posted 25/10/2010 at 14:15:07
Yes, we were ahead at the time. But we were only a third of the way through the game, and frankly Spurs had been the better team to that point. For the rest of the game Spurs also looked more likely to score - Crouch in particular missed a couple of very good chances, and Modric also came close.
Ok sure maybe we could have held on for 1-0 and I'm sure conceding so quickly didn't help our momentum, but I just want to point out the obvious that it's a 90-minute team game and it isn't entirely fair to blame the result on one mistake by one player.
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