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"A man among men":

? a person regarded as epitomizing manhood or mankind; (esp. as a term of praise) one who is the equal of or an example to all others; an active, well-rounded member of society."
For this quote, see Phil Neville. When we were losing at the start of the season, too many ToffeeWebbers were slagging Pip off for his unnecessary war cries and his pandering to the media. Yet when he has an awesome game and keeps currently the best left winger (on-form) quiet, not many people will come out with praise for Phil.

The praise has come from all respected media sources and the two managers on Saturday. Is it because he is a Manc? Is it because he is an unglamorous player? Whatever the reasons, I think the discription above aptly suits our team captain and hope that more Everton fans start to see him for what he truly is ? a battler, a winner and a passionate leader for our great team.


Andrew Fair , Ashton     Posted 25/10/2010 at 08:50:34

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Adam Baig
1   Posted 25/10/2010 at 12:14:51

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Couldn't agree more. Another thing in his favour is he usually keeps Hibbert out of the side.
Angelina Tan
2   Posted 25/10/2010 at 12:25:17

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And his team mates respect him. That counts for a lot. For that reason alone, he should be acknowledged.
James Cadwaladr
3   Posted 25/10/2010 at 12:52:38

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Neville was outstanding on Saturday.
Mike McLean
4   Posted 25/10/2010 at 13:03:38

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So what he's a Manc? Make a list of the great Everton players who have been Scousers. It's not very long!
Dave Childs
5   Posted 25/10/2010 at 13:06:03

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I think, for better or for worse, he seems to encapsulate the state of the club at the moment. No nonsense, hard worker who's not pretty at times but he gets the job done.

I personally am a big fan of him. We always appear stronger when he plays. He also represents a level of professionalism that is sadly lacking in the youth players of today.
Andy Callan
6   Posted 25/10/2010 at 13:14:57

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He gets unfair shite from the thick twats in the crowd 'coz he used to play for United.

If the rest of 'em put as much effort and professionalism into their game, then we'd be in a MUCH better position.

Hibbert gets a lot of stick too, when fellas like Jonny the Madman, Fellaini & Saha should look closer at themselves in my opinion.
Tony J Williams
7   Posted 25/10/2010 at 13:19:35

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To be fair, the lavish praise given to him this weekend is more to do with the wankfest of pundits jizzing over Gareth Bale... when, let's be honest, Bale is nowhere near as good as these pundits think he is.
Tony J Williams
8   Posted 25/10/2010 at 13:22:55

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Oh and Hibbert is still a far better defender than Neville... and gets down the wing more but unfortunately is as cack as Neville in getting the ball into the box.
Dave Lynch
9   Posted 25/10/2010 at 13:24:15

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I've been fighting Neville's corner on here for ages. It is no coincidence that when he is out of the side we are very vulnerable at the back and lack cohesion as a team.

For all his failings, and there aren't many, he brings a lot more to the table than people give him credit for. You need a leader on the pitch and lead he does ? by example. He was superb on Saturday and Coleman will learn a lot from him playing alongside him; he was also awsome in the derby. One of those players who just gets on with the job, never stops talking to his team mates and is a great organiser.

Those who just knock him for the sake of it ? and a lot do ? know fuck all about the game to be honest.

Tony J Williams
10   Posted 25/10/2010 at 13:37:57

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Dave, they knock him because they have to blame somebody for something, even when we win.

I mean we had a thread of 70 posts about Cahill stupidly putting a free kick out for a throw in last week.

Neville is a good professional and we do seem a little more stable when he plays but my personal view is that Hibbert is still a better defender than him.
Joe Carroll
11   Posted 25/10/2010 at 13:47:30

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Agree with most of your points, Tony, but I have to say that, although I think Bale's not world class as some pundits seem to claim, scoring a hat-trick at the San Siro takes some matching.

He is a very good winger and we don't see many of them these days, which perhaps explains the media frenzy.

Very good, not great. But give the lad credit, he's probably in the form of his life.
Tony McNulty
12   Posted 25/10/2010 at 13:51:12

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He isn?t the best of defenders. And it would be nice if he would occasionally find a man in blue when he passes the ball towards the opposition?s penalty box. So why does the team play better when he is on the pitch? As others have said, he is a leader and a winner, he constantly brings his experience to bear, he instructs other players (he is the manager?s eyes and ears on the pitch), he exudes confidence, and players in turn seem to gain in confidence through having him around.

I would add two other factors: (1) his body language sends a sends a strong message to everyone on the pitch, and especially the opposition; and (2) he is constantly fighting our corner with referees in a manner which seems to get results. Having watched a number of incidents, I am sure he influences referees in our favour at times just through his words and his presence.

If only he could tackle, play, pass and score.
Dave Lynch
13   Posted 25/10/2010 at 14:47:47

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Tony;

Hibbert may well be a better defender, but he does not possess the organisational or inspirational qualities that Phil does. They both bring certain attributes to the team and I have no problem with either player pulling on blue shirt. Mainly because of the commitment they show when on the pitch.

Kevin Tully
14   Posted 25/10/2010 at 15:00:26

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59 England caps, 6 league titles, three FA cups and a Champions League. Clearly, he is garbage.

He is not a great player, but you need a leader on the pitch, and you definitely need someone to guide the younger players during a game. He never hides, even when we are getting stuffed. His experience is invaluable.

A model professional, who is respected throughout football.
Greg Carr
15   Posted 25/10/2010 at 15:13:43

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Great leader, average defender but piss poor on the ball. For someone who has played professional football for 15 years at two of the biggest clubs in the country, its a disgrace he can't cross a ball. Time after time, he sends it behind the by line when we are in promising positions, it's a shame because otherwise I would be happy to have him in the team given our resources.
Anthony Hughes
16   Posted 25/10/2010 at 15:57:32

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Tony J, Gareth Bale may not be world class yet but the lad is only 21, he's younger than Coleman (who some of our fans go so over the top about it's unbelievable) and is clearly destined for a big future in football. Anyone who scores a hat trick at the San Siro ain't too bad. I thought Neville did well against him though.
Sega Kana
17   Posted 25/10/2010 at 16:00:06

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Bale is good but not nearly as great as the media paint him... more of a London club thingy.

Our Captain Pip is a true leader. Remember the tackle on Ronaldo which actually turned our season around and most recently, the small nudges/contacts on Crouch which was so subtle and professionally done that the ref had no reason to pull out a card.

Although not the most gifted of players, his leadership quality, confidence and fighting spirit surely rubs on the team. May it continue for many years to come.

Jon Cox
18   Posted 25/10/2010 at 18:29:34

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Dont know if anyone's been listening to Talksport but Adrian Durham is touting our Nev to play for England. Not only that it's the second time in a week that he's been going over the top for our man.

Not only that (the sequel) his back four, for his team of the week was Nev Jags and Bainsy for three of them.

A bit of balance at last. He's chatting about him now.

Nevs good for us at this stage and we miss him when he's not there.
Ray Roche
19   Posted 25/10/2010 at 19:05:04

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"wankfest of pundits jizzing over Gareth Bale"

"Towards more picturesque speech" is how I think the Readers Digest would refer to that gem.
Eugene Ruane
20   Posted 25/10/2010 at 20:10:18

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David Hallwood
21   Posted 25/10/2010 at 20:29:42

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It is the Neville conundrum, he?s not the most skilful, but take him out of the side and we struggle. He was missing against Wolves, Villa, Man U & the Barcodes, and we got 2 pts, he came back against Fulham and we haven?t lost since. Coincidence?
John Daley
22   Posted 25/10/2010 at 20:32:27

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He's still got a face like an e-bola monkey though.
Mick Wrende
23   Posted 25/10/2010 at 21:56:49

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Since when has any modern day professional footballer been a 'well rounded member of society'? That is what separates all of us from these money-grabbing cretins. The Yak of course fulfils the first part of the phrase but that's all.
Paul Olsen
24   Posted 26/10/2010 at 01:05:59

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What's the saying about the one swallow again Andrew?
Dave Roberts
25   Posted 26/10/2010 at 12:07:37

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John Daley

Gulp!

Nev looks like Tony Curtis compared to Kuyt. Now that IS ugly.

And what about that Kryzzywiggios (or summat) fella the shite have got? Nev looks like a Miss World contestant compared to him.
Ray Robinson
26   Posted 26/10/2010 at 12:30:34

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For those of you who still dislike our Manc leader, I'd say "Get used to it" because I see him as a potential successor to Moyes. I can criticise his play but not his commitment, leadership, professionalism and genuine enthusiasm for the club. I do wish he'd stop giving the press those embarrassing soundbites so often though!
Ernie Baywood
27   Posted 26/10/2010 at 13:13:50

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I like Neville, but really he's the lesser of two evils at right back. I don't mind him in midfield, but only if he's replacing Heitinga. I think he's a good leader, but only in the absence of a great leader.

Think too many are trying to find an individual reason for our improved form when, in my opinion, its a combination of factors. Not least Moyes being forced into a corner where he has had to play something resembling a team with shape rather than that random assortment of footballers he was throwing together to begin with.

Not to detract from any one individual, though, Clearly, the Yak, Neville, and Seamus have contributed in their own ways.
David Chait
28   Posted 26/10/2010 at 15:49:43

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Neville I think has actually improved his play in the last while... there was a time I don't remember him making a successful pass... then the obligatory foul just outside the penalty box with 5 minutes left.. I was pulling my hair out...

But you can't question his leadership... as a person and a leader.. I have all the time in the world for the guy... as long as he sticks to RB I'll keep the rest of my hair...
Trevor Lynes
29   Posted 27/10/2010 at 12:10:09

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If we had Bale we would be drooling about him, he is the most dangerous left-sided player in the Premier League on his present form. He has great pace, crosses well and scores... how can anyone say he is over-rated?

I've been an EFC fan since 1948 and don't walk around wearing blue tinted glasses (unless I have a headache)... Neville and Coleman played him very well BUT he was still dangerous when given space. Give credit where it's due or don't just write viriolic tripe!!!

Mike Allison
30   Posted 27/10/2010 at 13:42:46

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It's nice to see any of our players getting praise, so fair play to Phil Neville but, to answer the semi-rhetorical questions in the OP, it's because he looks like he doesn't know what to do with the ball most of the times he gets it.

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