I know the subject of Mark Clattenburg, has been brought up before. But what puzzles me, and I'm sure many Evertonians, is why he has never been in charge of a Blues game at Goodison Park, and if my memory is correct, at any stadium in the Premier League, since that infamous derby match at Goodison some years ago.
I am sure some fan will be able to throw more light on the subject. I must point out that I'm not advocating for him to ever ref a match involving Everton. But surely when Mike Riley took over from Keith Hackett as Referee supremo, this must have been brought up?
I am not going down a conspiracy road but something does not add up.
Norman Merrill, Posted 26/10/2010 at 12:51:46
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1 Posted 26/10/2010 at 14:58:45
2 Posted 26/10/2010 at 14:56:36
Gerrard refereed that game and the twat let him.
He has refereed in the prem on several occasions and took charge of one of the big games last weekend but can't for the life of me remember which one.
The man is a total prick of the highest order.
3 Posted 26/10/2010 at 15:01:50
It was the Arsenal City game.
4 Posted 26/10/2010 at 15:08:53
5 Posted 26/10/2010 at 15:07:55
At some point, Clattenburg is going to have to face the music otherwise the FA will have to admit that crowds can actually exert influence over referee selection.
6 Posted 26/10/2010 at 15:11:51
7 Posted 26/10/2010 at 15:06:29
8 Posted 26/10/2010 at 15:13:45
(Just in case this site is monitored by MI5 I'm partially joking. It's only a shotgun)
9 Posted 26/10/2010 at 15:15:11
10 Posted 26/10/2010 at 15:16:26
Unlike most others however, I have never been able to reconcile that derby game and put it behind me. It still rankles.
I would dearly love to know what Clattenberg said to Moyes outside the dressing room after that match as I think that would tell us everything we, and the game in general, need to know. I also find it amazing that even after severely criticising a match official Moyes was not censored at all.
We may have to wait for Moyes' autobiography before we find out but I get the distinct impression that a deal was done. 'We won't censure you and we won't have him refereee another game involving Everton as long as no more is said'.
A cover up. He (Clattenberg) did disappear for a couple of months due to 'business difficulties' and began his return in the Championship.
He should have been sacked for the good of the game. If there is anything worse than a bent copper it is a bent referee.
11 Posted 26/10/2010 at 15:38:50
12 Posted 26/10/2010 at 15:35:40
I will never forget that day. Didn't he go on tour with the RS the previous summer?
13 Posted 26/10/2010 at 15:57:05
14 Posted 26/10/2010 at 16:01:39
To my knowledge he has not refereed a Liverpool game either since the debacle of the 2007 derby though I am not 100% sure on this.
I have been told that each PL ref must officiate in a minimum of 8 games for each PL team, for instance Howard Webb should ref Everton at least 8 times this season.
The only reason for not refereeing particular teams is, place of birth, where you live and team allegiance.
Mark Clattenberg was born in Consett Co Durham and supports The Magpies.
I always thought Mr Clattenberg was a top ref, until that game and the subsequent revelations about his and his wifes closeness to Liverpool FC on a trip abroad.
15 Posted 26/10/2010 at 15:59:08
16 Posted 26/10/2010 at 16:34:33
17 Posted 26/10/2010 at 16:31:43
18 Posted 26/10/2010 at 16:41:56
Therefore MI5 please note that ?sniper rifle? is actually Scouse rhyming slang for ?trifle.? Dave was planning to offer Clattenberg ?The Battenberg? an alternative to his normal cake-fueled diet.
19 Posted 26/10/2010 at 16:48:25
Maybe I wasn't explicit enough, I apologize.
20 Posted 26/10/2010 at 17:34:30
He's a shithouse, a disgrace to football and to his own profession.
21 Posted 26/10/2010 at 17:34:28
I'd bet he'll get as hot a reception at Goodison as anybody has ever got including Clive Thomas ( who amazingly was back at Goodison the season after that FA Cup semi in 1977. He was booed all the way to the centre circle. Incredibly though he actually refereed another Everton v Liverpool FA Cup match - in January 1981 when we beat them 2-1 in the 4th round. You can view that match on Youtube and he actually did a good job!
Can't see Twattenburg ever reffing another derby match though!
22 Posted 26/10/2010 at 18:21:34
Play at 57 mins -
23 Posted 26/10/2010 at 18:43:28
He'd be a very very brave man stepping foot at Goodison again.
24 Posted 26/10/2010 at 19:09:02
Also Alan Robinson, who denied the Blues TWO clear penalties, one in 1984 at the Milk Cup Final and another in the 1986 F.A. Cup Final. Two big decisions that could have changed the outcome of both games.
25 Posted 26/10/2010 at 19:43:24
The FA are bricking it that he might give out some PR about one of their own.
26 Posted 26/10/2010 at 19:45:46
27 Posted 26/10/2010 at 19:58:37
28 Posted 26/10/2010 at 20:06:29
He will never come back to Goodison to officiate a match.
As far as I'm concerned he is either a Liverpool fan or was paid to throw the match Liverpool's favour.
29 Posted 26/10/2010 at 20:26:15
30 Posted 26/10/2010 at 20:49:26
Since retiring he has spouted off in his newspaper colums about standards of referreeing etc.
What a prick - the last person who should talk about standards.
As for Clattenberg, agree with everyone the most blatant obvious biased referring in history and should never have been allowed to ref another game.
31 Posted 26/10/2010 at 21:39:17
Clive "the Book" Thomas to linesmen, post-match, Maine Road, 1977
32 Posted 26/10/2010 at 21:45:47
4-1 we won, Villa never stood a chance, we didn't need a team talk, the players just looked at Thomas. Clattenburg might be worth a go just for that reaction.
33 Posted 26/10/2010 at 22:16:36
34 Posted 26/10/2010 at 22:19:56
Moyes was charged and once he appeared before the FA, the charges were quickly and quietly dropped. I would love to know why, something to do with video evidence and that referee who agreed with Moysie just after the incidents! I don't believe that Moyes, or Everton for that matter, would accept him as a referee at Goodison again. I wouldn't be surprised either if he has been told that he would not referee any of our matches away from Goodison either.
Good riddance - smug, plasticky, horrible, greasy bastard!
35 Posted 26/10/2010 at 22:34:37
I think the FA will have to confront their demons and assign Clattenburg to an Everton match at Goodison. I generally do not slate referees (having tried it myself and realised just how difficult it is) and had thought, prior to that derby, that Clattenburg was actually a good referee but I have to admit that was the most incompetent refereeing display that I have ever witnessed in nearly 50 years of watching professional football.
36 Posted 27/10/2010 at 02:47:55
37 Posted 27/10/2010 at 06:57:25
"You don't give penalties against Liverpool in the last minute".
Moyes, like everybody else within earshot, was gobsmacked. I do wish Moyes would go public on the issue though, just to show what a cheating bastard this referee is.
38 Posted 27/10/2010 at 08:58:27
Take a look at the Collina one. FIFA publicly state they don?t want 5 English teams in the competition. I remember when the referee listings were given for the 2nd leg being very confused ? we had been comprehensively outplayed by a far superior team at home, I ? like most others ? deemed the 2nd leg to be a formality. So we get ?the best? ref in the world. All seemed strange. Add to this was the year of the Italian ref scandal and he mysteriously retired soon after, something wasn?t right there.
Clattenburg is a little different ? I just think he is a genuine idiot who is a Liverpool fan. You can tell how the performance was bias by simply noticing he waited till the 2nd half before stating to make crazy decision ? he refereed excellently for the first 50-60 minutes then made at least 4 shocking decisions (when Liverpool looked pretty dead on their feet). Any fool could see that he was giving them things in their favour and I think all associated with the FA were pretty embarrassed. I think the charges were dropped against Moyes as he was going to say a lot of home truths in his hearings and the FA knew that, a lot of what he said, would be right and highlight the shortcomings of the FA and this shockingly bias and incompetent ref
39 Posted 27/10/2010 at 09:20:08
Collina: agreed the disallowed goal was mysterious but I think it might have been one of those things. If memory serves Kilbane was lucky to stay on the pitch in that game (I think Moyes hauled him off in fact) as he was uncharacteristically flying into challenges. He did one too many and I thought he was off; Collina let it go.
But then again maybe having Kilbane on the pitch isn't the same as a goal....
40 Posted 27/10/2010 at 10:16:52
What his financial situation was before the failed business came to light is a reasonable subject for speculation. Debts don't happen overnight.
41 Posted 27/10/2010 at 12:27:26
The Lescott decision
The Hibbett decision
There's just no defence.
42 Posted 27/10/2010 at 13:36:23
43 Posted 27/10/2010 at 19:52:31
When you see it once and it happens again your eyes are wide open.
I first saw it in 1998 with Sol Campbell. It was, as with Everton a straight between the eyes moment.
Why do you think FIFA will never allow goal line techno. They say they will but can you ever imagine S.Korea v Belgium in a world cup final.
Ever the Cynic, but there you go.
44 Posted 28/10/2010 at 12:42:50
It still makes me angry now when I think about how that gobshite Gerrard walked past Clattenburg, muttered something to him before Clattenburg changes the card in his hand from yellow to red and sends Hibbo off.
The refereeing authorities know that Clattenburg fuked up big time that day but will never admit it. Instead they will just ensure that he (Clattenburg) will never referee another Everton game again and that's fine by me.
Gerard gets Hibbo sent off. - totally unacceptable
Kyut's kung-foo kick on Neville - Only a yellow card ?!!!
Carragher pulling down Lescott not once but twice in the penalty area. Nothing given.- unbelievable.
Hang your head in shame Clattenburg and NEVER treat our hallowed turf again.
45 Posted 28/10/2010 at 18:55:27
He'd be our bitch for life....
46 Posted 28/10/2010 at 20:27:35
Someone at the FA has to be making sure that he is never involved in an Everton game ever again.
I noticed that we had Howard Webb twice is three games which is unusual too, Fulham away, then at Home to the Shite.
As for Chris Foy, wouldn't the reason he doesn't get Everton games be the reason he lives in St.Helens? His wikipedia page says he's an Everton fan but the source is stated as Blue Kipper.
Finally I have a few mates who watch Chester and Chris Foy about 10 years ago attacked on the pitch by one of their fans after sending off a Chester player. One of the worst decisions ever by a referee they say, I know the bloke who did it and he says he'd do a Big Dunc on Stefan Freund job next time!
47 Posted 30/10/2010 at 19:11:40
48 Posted 30/10/2010 at 19:36:27
49 Posted 31/10/2010 at 02:32:07
That guy is a fuckup.
50 Posted 31/10/2010 at 10:50:22
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