Recently I said on another thread that I thought we should have sold Pienaar in the Summer as he was patently not going to re-sign for the Blues and we could have got a fee for him to spend elsewhere on the squad. I still stand by that statement.
However, I would now like Pienaar to state his intentions. In recent days we have had statements on the matter from both Manager and Captain and a round of speculation as to his likely destination. But nothing from the player. I know he's not obliged to say anything. However, I do say that he owes it to the fans and more importantly to his Team to give a view as I think it will become increasngly unsettling for the squad to have such a key player remaining non-committal.
Steve Guy, Posted 28/10/2010 at 10:11:23
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1 Posted 28/10/2010 at 14:18:46
Steven looks to be on his way at the end of the season. I'd like to hurl a torrent of rage his way, but you know what, he's still playing with heart for us and hasn't been offered what he and his agent thinks he is worth ? other players have.
EFC decided not to cash in in the summer or improve the offer so that's that really. We miss out on a fee and lose a key player. Contract negotiations the Everton way.
2 Posted 28/10/2010 at 14:40:07
3 Posted 28/10/2010 at 14:42:47
Moyes knows his heart's here but his bank balance isn't and IMO the biggest mistake we made was giving Arteta £75,000 a week which has now set the benchmark.
4 Posted 28/10/2010 at 14:57:38
5 Posted 28/10/2010 at 14:56:04
I would like Pienaar to stay, but it seems from some reports on the continent, that maybe his head has been turned. The next transfer window will reveal all. Whether we are involved remains to be see.
6 Posted 28/10/2010 at 15:16:31
We can wring our hands and wail but each passing day we're so constrained is another day slipping further into obscurity, I don't blame Pienaar in the least.
7 Posted 28/10/2010 at 15:22:55
If not, I can see him staying. I hope we'll all be nice to him.
What annoys me is the media speculation ? look at today's nonsense ? it's based on nothing more than a few comments from Moyes and Neville: no substance whatsoever.
8 Posted 28/10/2010 at 15:37:50
9 Posted 28/10/2010 at 15:42:57
Baines even made Ossie look good on the left a few weeks ago.
10 Posted 28/10/2010 at 15:45:00
Yes I would love him to sign a new contract, but providing it deosn't affect his game there is no reason to get rid. The only question but be if we wanted the money, but Dave is clearly happy to forgo that in favour of having him til the Summer, which is understandable.
11 Posted 28/10/2010 at 14:47:24
If he's going to leave we should tie him up on an inflated salary and sell him in the summer. That way the club and the player get compensated properly; a la Rooney, who I reckon will be off in the summer for a sizeable fee.
12 Posted 28/10/2010 at 16:01:12
Any business that allows a £10m asset to walk away for zilch is on the road to oblivion, oh sorry its Everton, forward planning not one of our strong points.
Expect derisory bids from Spurs and possibly Arsenal in January.
Chris Eagles and hopefully Charlie Adam to us.
13 Posted 28/10/2010 at 16:02:06
It's one thing to pay the so called 'superstars' of the game mega-money but when squad members are getting rewarded like this, creative players at clubs like ours are bound to have their heads turned and I for one can't really blame them.
14 Posted 28/10/2010 at 16:38:04
15 Posted 28/10/2010 at 16:31:29
As for Peinaar, the lad is here till the end of the season - Why would he move in January if we were to accept a derisory 2 million quid offer when he knows if he hangs on until his contract expires, the 2 million quid becomes his signing on fee.
The problem here is that his heart still appears to be in it right now while it all appears undecided, but come January & a pre-contract agreement with someone else and can we then really play him?? Is he gonna chase and harry fully committed when he knows he's gone in a few months? Doubt it.
16 Posted 28/10/2010 at 17:02:46
17 Posted 28/10/2010 at 17:18:34
I for one have no problem with Pienaar not coming off the fence. It is crystal clear where we are, EFC and his valuations don't match. Whilst the ridiculous sums of money irritate me and make normal scenario incomparible to premiership footballers, in my line of work i don't feel that i have to justify myself to my collegues or my customer base (essentially what we are to both the everton board and players in the cold light of day) should i want to leave.
Pienaar has committed himself well this year and even if he did sign elsewhere come Jan i think he would continue to. That is all we can ask of him. If he ever did come back for a game i would for one give him a warm reception. This is a problem of Kenwright and Moyes, not him
18 Posted 28/10/2010 at 17:36:59
19 Posted 28/10/2010 at 17:58:16
20 Posted 28/10/2010 at 18:11:47
We cannot afford to let every player who is unsettled just leave!!!! I think that contracts should include loyalty payments and also severance money that would be forfeit if players angle after leaving before the contracts end.
Let's face it...every player that can command a decent transfer fee will try to improve his money at the club he plays for... the players who readily sign new contracts are normally the least valuable!!
21 Posted 28/10/2010 at 18:26:13
I was surprised it wasn't done last summer as that would have made objective economic sense & would have fitted in with previous precedent.
It would surely suit Pienaar & his agent to run down his contract, thereby being able to effectivly get a tranfer fee sized signing on fee next summer. Don't forget he did this when he joined us.
At the moment Moyes is talking tough about letting the contract 'Run down' but surely this plays right into their ( player/agents ) hands as this will mean mega bucks for player & agent.
To hold on until the summer will be in direct contravention of the EFC business model under Kenright/Moyes, which whilst it hold's us back, does just about keep us afloat.
At some point the reality of the stuation/contract cycle has to kick in & he must be sold.
I guess the current dithering/fear is concern as to whether we could get a replacement in January & Kenright's fear of a fan's revolt if we sell & then can't or won't ( due to financial constraints ) get someone else in.
22 Posted 28/10/2010 at 18:54:59
I think there is a guy in the Prem who has maybe two or three years left in terms of age. This guy has got more pace than Pienaar and is a better crosser of the ball.
Matty Etherington. If Pienaar goes in Jan then the club could do worse than to break the bank and go for Donovan on the right and Etherington on the left.
Eth. would fit in like a glove especially with Bainsey. I think it would be even better with regards to "the gel"
Also imagine having dead ball experts Like Arteta, Bains and Etherington. Jesus it doesn't bare thinging about.
23 Posted 28/10/2010 at 19:28:36
As for any criticism of the player himself that?s ridiculous, he has not demanded a transfer and still plays fully committed and has been one of our best players this season. Pienaar has fulfilled his contract and is free to choose what he does next June. I hope he stays but should he go I would wish him the best of luck.
24 Posted 28/10/2010 at 19:28:39
The first signing I would've made is Martin Petrov on a free. Secoond signing: Van der Vaart £8 million. Third signing I would've made would've been Carlton Cole for around £10 million. This would still leave us with money to spend and we really wouldn't've lost any of our most vital players. We could then afford to shell out higher wages and we'd probably be higher up the table than we are now.
I hope we make some good signings in the transfer window but I'm not confident.
25 Posted 28/10/2010 at 20:10:48
26 Posted 28/10/2010 at 20:27:31
1) Sell Arteta? Madness. Papers quoted £12M. You couldn't replace his influence for that.
2) Bily. Maybe. I do like him but he doesn't fit the way we play. Surely though we would have to take a hit on a player who has struggled to make a consistent impact, similar to how we got Pienaar for £2M. We could have sold him for about £5M in my opinion.
3) They wouldn't pay more than £6M for Yak in July, falling to £5M. Do your research, it was big news!!
4) Carlton Cole? Bewildered why you think this would be clever...
5) Van der Vaart. Firstly he was going to Shalke 04 I think for about £12M until it fell through. We couldn't have waited until the last minute of deadline day in hope of a good deal. Secondly, why would he join us? He only went to Tottenham because of Champions League football.
I hate to sound miserable, but it really annoys me when people think that reality is something akin to Football Manager.
27 Posted 28/10/2010 at 20:33:39
I love Everton FC. I don't feel the same about the players but the ones who wear the shirt on match days will always have my support. If the following day they decide they want out, goodbye and who's next.
Nearing 50, that's how I feel now.
28 Posted 28/10/2010 at 20:21:56
On that analysis, give thanks for Baines staying loyal and content and bring in the replacement accordingly.
Good shout for Ethrington and Adams, even Bentley if Moyes sorts his attitude out..
If we bring Landon in with Osman on the left for now, then i don't see the team falling apart.
Agree with the O'Shea comments, i guess on stupid wages, the teams that dish those numbers out are City, Utd, Chelsea, Spurs and for now Liverpool. From them it covers around 80 players on mega bucks leaving us to compete with the best of the rest.
Cash for wages are like trophies, only so much to go round, not every player at those clubs get parity, which then affects team spirit and cliques within that destroys the work ethic.
Those sides can't go on forever with those salaries and City and Chelsea apart couldn't sustain it for long without Champions League involvement. A big risk with other clubs not too far off top four contention.
We are building the right way and are right not to give in to Pienaar's wage demands. On a par with Arteta, no chance.
29 Posted 28/10/2010 at 21:01:13
Are you on day release? Sell Arteta for 12mil and sign Carlton Cole for 10mil.
With that mentality you should apply for a job at Pompey or as Peter Risdale's apprentice.
30 Posted 28/10/2010 at 21:06:00
How much would the replacement players transfer fee cost? Even if we were 20k short of Pienaars demands thats only 4.16mil over 4 years. Shouldn't we just bite the bullet?
Its a difficult one but I really hoped that everton weren't a stepping stone for our players anymore.
31 Posted 28/10/2010 at 21:13:26
Moyes can be criticised for a lot of things but neglecting to sign Carlton bloody Cole certainly isn't one of them! I'd rather he dressed a wheelie bin in a blue shirt and shoved that up front instead. It would be more mobile and better in the air than the ex-Chelski plodder anyway. Cappello would probably call it up to the England squad as well given the shortage of decent English forwards at the moment.
32 Posted 28/10/2010 at 21:34:35
33 Posted 28/10/2010 at 21:33:49
34 Posted 28/10/2010 at 21:40:55
John Daley Oh no, that will make TWO wheelie bins with Beckford
35 Posted 28/10/2010 at 22:33:22
The club could only be accused of being as mercenary as the players..
Commercial reality? We need the money too.
36 Posted 28/10/2010 at 22:40:45
37 Posted 28/10/2010 at 22:43:19
Remember, this is a big risk for Steven; playing out his contract. He's one bad injury away from getting little or nothing (who's paying substantial money for a 29 year-old on the mend?)
On the other hand, he MUST play his ass off for the remainder of the season for potential suitors to be attracted.
Surprised at his agent. He knows the great risk being taken. Nonetheless, I do want him to stay, but if he goes, he goes. EFC will survive just fine.
38 Posted 28/10/2010 at 23:19:22
This means he can not slacked off. He must play his hardest every time and show his mettle. A footballer is only as good as his last season. If his season is crap, who will sign him up???
His price value will drop. Ergo, it is in his best interest to play with every ounce of skills, talent and courage he has.
This is very good for Everton, isn't it?
Also, I believe Tim Cahill has already re-signed with Everton ages ago. What other players are getting (salary) is of no consequence to the Invisible Man.
Thirdly, Moyes should go to Australia and look at some of our A-League players. Some of them are truly awesome. You can get three quality players for the price of one in the EPL. If quality is what you want, scout down here.
What have you to lose????
39 Posted 29/10/2010 at 00:03:41
Robbie coke sniffer Fowler can still cut it in the
A league at 38 or 39.
40 Posted 29/10/2010 at 00:45:18
41 Posted 29/10/2010 at 11:43:39
So there you have it. I thought that I would share that snippet of information to you for what it is worth. If he does go to Tottenham in January there may be something in it for us, maybe a swop or a small fee.
42 Posted 29/10/2010 at 14:11:56
He came through the Man Utd youth system, I think he made his debut against us and scored.
Plays joined up football and would go down a storm with Baines, also tried and tested in the PL and would not cost a large fee or wages, ticks all the boxes.
The other alternative would be NZogbia, who Birmingham were going to sign, but would not meet his £50000/wk demands, which is what we are offering Peinaar.
Charlie Adam, ideal squad player, great set piece taker and in dispute with Blackpool.
All the above would depend on Everton doing some wheeler dealing in January, so dont hold your breath, we have players we could sell, trade etc but.
43 Posted 29/10/2010 at 17:18:19
44 Posted 29/10/2010 at 18:48:49
Arteta and Cahill are attacking players who can change a game. Pienaar has never shown that ability. We shouldn't break the bank to keep him.
45 Posted 29/10/2010 at 21:08:48
If Pienaar wanted to sign for us he'd have done it by now. I really think we should get rid, keep the fans and rest of team happy. This situation will become disruptive if it rumbles on.
46 Posted 29/10/2010 at 22:01:14
47 Posted 29/10/2010 at 22:12:29
48 Posted 29/10/2010 at 22:16:20
It's difficult to disagree with that.
Sod them. I'm behind the 11 tomorrow, whoever they may be.
49 Posted 30/10/2010 at 12:31:10
On the replacements mentioned, I think Bentley would be on too much wages; Wigan want too much for N'Zogbia; Eagles just signed a 5-year contract at Burnley and they would bleed us dry over the fee. Etherington is worth a closer look at on Saturday...
50 Posted 30/10/2010 at 12:58:31
51 Posted 30/10/2010 at 17:17:10
He's a better player than Arteta so far this season who I believe we have pandered to in offering such a massive contract considering his long lay off during which he received full pay and support from the club while he was in Spain.
I think Pienaar is worth as much as Arteta and in fairness to Pienaar, like Arteta, he hasn't linked himself with other clubs and has been completely respectful of the club and it's fans albeit his agent has been a bit of a tool.
If we need to sell/loan someone in order to keep Pienaar on the appropiate terms then I suggest we do so....
For example how much are we paying the Slovakian No.1 to sit on the bench every week?? Even if it's £15k it'd be better spent on an incremental increase for Pienaar to keep a player of his quality and an asset worth circa £10M IMHO.
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