"I was cringing with the coverage on Sunday," Neville says. "I was totally embarrassed by it. Sometimes you have to take the plaudits, they don't come around that often, but I found it embarrassing on Sunday, so I stopped reading the papers and turned the television off. I found it disrespectful to Seamus Coleman, Johnny Heitinga and the other players who stopped Bale from getting the ball, or who helped me out when he did. I came out with a few plaudits and I don't really enjoy that because I am a team player. I don't shout about myself and I've always been team orientated, so maybe that is why I have always slipped under the radar throughout my career."
Is it just me or is it the case of the less said by our captain the better?Phil Neville doesn't shout about his performances, well what is this very interview about then if not highlighting his own worth? I know that he went on to talk about management etc but I just find that he says some very strange things.
It wasn't that long ago that he said that he didn't think that Everton needed anymore players and then thankfully the Yak came out and said that sounds like a player fearing for his own position.
I don't particularly like or rate Neville, an average-to-poor first touch, poor distribution and a decent tackle and decent long throw... hardly leading by example or the first name on the teamsheet material, as with other skippers. I think the reasons just mentioned are why Neville doesn't receive rave reviews and he certainly hasn't 'slipped under the radar.' In fact, after a couple of good performances last season, he was actually tipped for England.
I think it may actually be an intelligence issue (or lack of). Go on YouTube and watch him play the Yes or No game ? it's awful.
I think we need a right back still; I'm not sure that Coleman has the same ability to defend as he does to go forward, he conceded a penalty against Brentford and was fortunate to not have another (and red card) against Newcastle.
Anyway, the long-term right-back is another issue but for now, Neville ? leave the pre-/post-match interviews for Moyes, Cahill, Arteta et al, concentrate on your own game, and then receiving some praise in the Sunday papers shouldn't be such an uncomfortable surprise.
Ian Campbell, Posted 29/10/2010 at 20:27:12
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1 Posted 30/10/2010 at 07:08:18
2 Posted 30/10/2010 at 07:31:12
3 Posted 30/10/2010 at 07:59:50
He's Captain of the team, and a good Captian too, apparently. He's bound to be asked for his opinions and to comment on all things Everton. People should try getting off his back for once.
4 Posted 30/10/2010 at 08:07:23
5 Posted 30/10/2010 at 09:01:33
6 Posted 30/10/2010 at 09:10:28
Phil Neville isn't the best footballer and I hate that he is the only player in the league that backs off an oncoming striker more than Hibbert does... but you can hear him on the pitch and the defence/midfield is better for it.
7 Posted 30/10/2010 at 09:17:58
As for Coleman, the lad came into English football from Sligo, and right into the Premier League. He was loaned out for experience to Blackpool, and helped them gain promotion. The lad is still learning, and going forward, is one of his strengths. I feel that he could become a goalscorer when he gains more confidence but only time will tell.
8 Posted 30/10/2010 at 09:57:51
But get over it! He's been with us now for 5 years and there is absolutely no doubt that we are a better team when he is playing than when he is not. He is still our best right back and there are many other priorities for the squad than improving his position at this time.
9 Posted 30/10/2010 at 10:10:27
10 Posted 30/10/2010 at 10:35:40
11 Posted 30/10/2010 at 11:50:19
12 Posted 30/10/2010 at 12:32:34
Don't care about the fact he's a Mancunian, nor do I care in any way shape or form about the England team. What I do care about is his lack of footballing quality on the pitch, which in my opinion is undeniable - one decent game or not.
13 Posted 30/10/2010 at 13:16:40
14 Posted 30/10/2010 at 13:34:12
15 Posted 30/10/2010 at 13:44:16
16 Posted 30/10/2010 at 13:51:37
17 Posted 30/10/2010 at 13:54:01
Not letting us down by being positive about the club captain again!! You are always consistent... if nothing else.
18 Posted 30/10/2010 at 14:33:33
Ray #2 ? I have no problem with him being asked for his opinion, I just think that his opinion is strange a lot of the time and why would he say that he is uncomfortable when the papers report that he has played well, that makes little sense... it's not U8's everyone knows its a team game and doubt Coleman and Heitinga are remotely bothered.
Do we really think that any team that has aspirations of a 4th placed finish would be fielding Neville? I don't. I think we are 1 right back and 1 forward away from being back to challenging from 4-5th place.
Oliver #15 ? I agree Neville was a good signing, served the club very well and was exactly what we needed then... soon it should be thanks very much and here's a squad number and job on the backroom staff.
19 Posted 30/10/2010 at 15:23:42
20 Posted 30/10/2010 at 16:58:31
21 Posted 30/10/2010 at 17:05:14
22 Posted 30/10/2010 at 17:19:26
Do you ever have a good word to say or are you always as negative as an electron?
23 Posted 30/10/2010 at 17:59:54
Thanks for that pearl of wisdom Ciaran!!! Pity that the likes of Harry Redknapp, David Moyes and virtually every Sunday newspaper's football correspondent as well as Neville's own team mates don't possess your foresight and knowledge of the game!!
You wanna try getting out more. It'll do you the world good!!!
24 Posted 30/10/2010 at 18:57:10
25 Posted 30/10/2010 at 18:59:55
26 Posted 30/10/2010 at 19:10:50
27 Posted 30/10/2010 at 19:17:03
28 Posted 30/10/2010 at 19:28:00
No problem Sean... the Brady Bunch usually need things spelt out.
Especially after they rely on the old 'David Moyes and Harry Rednapp said so ? so it must be true' argument.
29 Posted 30/10/2010 at 20:12:10
30 Posted 30/10/2010 at 21:31:30
31 Posted 30/10/2010 at 21:42:42
But then again, we also had Hansen in some kind of omniscient position earlier as well... so it's an ever-growing gang of ultimate opinions!
Apart form David Moyes... how many Everton games do you think these blessed trio/quartet/apostels have watched in the last 25 years?
I'd say it's pretty well below any Evertionians count.
Perhaps we should stick to supporting our own opinions eh.
32 Posted 30/10/2010 at 22:09:39
33 Posted 30/10/2010 at 22:09:21
Anyway, it's a forum, I started the thread to see if people thought the same as I do ? most don't so no problem. I'll still support Neville whenever he puts on the blue shirt; it is just my preference that, in the coming seasons, we get a better replacement and he wears it less and less ? that''s all!
34 Posted 30/10/2010 at 22:45:46
Ian, Wash your mouth out, this kind of aspiration will not be tolerated!
35 Posted 30/10/2010 at 23:07:39
Only a season ticket holder with 3 credits (i.e. all home cup games) got a ticket so what you on about now? You bizarrely claimed that someone who had been to a few away games and no season ticket had more right.
36 Posted 31/10/2010 at 01:31:50
37 Posted 31/10/2010 at 09:08:25
Brian (24), I assume and hope you're not talking about me?
38 Posted 31/10/2010 at 09:44:57
Bless you, Ciaran, never knowingly contradicted or last worded. :-) I didn't realise Neville had been with us for 25 years? I also thought he played for Ferguson at Manchester United? Or was that his brother? Us Brady Bunchers are so easily confused.
39 Posted 31/10/2010 at 11:42:11
And his modesty ? obviously a heinous crime.
He is a limited player... but a great pro, totally committed and a fantastic example for the younger players coming through.
As we're skint ? and Maicon isn't looking to kiss our badge any time soon ? you should join the real world and be thankful that here's a guy who'll give everything for Everton when he goes out on the pitch. If only there were more like him.
40 Posted 31/10/2010 at 12:25:08
41 Posted 31/10/2010 at 15:58:31
GJ #40 ? how about something along the lines of "It was a good performance and reading the Sunday papers is now a far more enjoyable experience than it was at the start of the season". Surely that's better than 'oh I'm so embarrassed, I really feel for the others not getting sufficient credit, I'm really modest and stay under the radar' blah blah.
42 Posted 31/10/2010 at 16:57:24
I don't know what interview you read, but I was proud of Neville when I read it. Some people will just whinge about literally anything they can.
43 Posted 31/10/2010 at 17:03:14
44 Posted 31/10/2010 at 17:09:08
Furthermore, Evertonians may be more totally immersed in Evertonian comments views and opinions, and less in those of the broader media and fanbase. That may make their views more narrowly defined, but I don't agree that it devalues them ? quite the opposite. I'd much rather read what Evertonians have to say (hence the website!) but I'm increasingly disinterested in the rest of the football blather out there.
You and I have locked horns on what you see as a need for more insular Evertonians (like me!) to see some boarder perspective based on comparisons with other clubs, etc. While that may shape your views, all well and good. I don't think it makes your views better ? just different.
45 Posted 31/10/2010 at 18:24:17
I just find some of Neville's comments rather strange and sometimes bordering on the negative. I personally would much rather it was Jagielka or Arteta that was speaking to the press pre/post match as our captain ? always guaranteed a place in the team, they both sound intelligent when interviewed and are professional and give 100% when they play. The latter two qualities seem to be the justification for Neville as skipper.
46 Posted 31/10/2010 at 21:25:05
And guess what last year?
When he was out injured we went on a run of 1 win in 9 league games. He came back an we lost 2 of the next 20.
Yes - he really is shite that Phil Neville.
47 Posted 31/10/2010 at 22:15:21
We start slow every year and it just so happens that Neville was out for the 4 of the first 5 games - in his absence though we had a good performance at Villa and a very credible 3-3 draw with Utd. In the game he did play at Blackburn we lost so what happened there?
48 Posted 01/11/2010 at 11:18:35
1) I simply disagree about the Neville interview. He's our captain, he comes across well, and I think he just gave honest and humble answers to the questions he was asked, I don't think he went looking to make a point that he's really modest.
2) Reading Toffeeweb, one comes across an awful lot of negative articles about our players, manager and owner. Some of these are justified (though often over the top) and many are not, so when I read yours and felt it wasn't justified it was definitely a case of the last straw. I suppose I''m guilty of lumping you in with a whole load of other posters who've moaned about a whole load of other things.
49 Posted 01/11/2010 at 12:32:23
I noticed that you only picked up on the first half of my stats though to justify your own blinkered view of Neville. How about the second part of the stats from last season? Are you trying to suggest that we always have a shit 10th to 18th game every year?
I think with you it isn't a case of "shit arguement" more like "no arguement "
50 Posted 01/11/2010 at 13:13:36
If your methodiology was to work you would need the following to occur which clearly cannot;
1) Same opposition played at same location with/without PN.
2) Opposition would need to perform to exactly the same levels with/without PN.
3) The other 10 players in Everton team would need to remain the same throughout the period.
4) Other everton players would need to perform the same - same fitness levels etc etc.
For all we know last year during that time when Neville was absent we may well have played away at Utd and Villa for example yet he came back into the team for Burnley/Hull. Its clearly not the same so any argument about with/without neville is inherently flawed.
I hope that answers your question!
51 Posted 01/11/2010 at 17:39:48
As we are never going to play the same team every week and every other player would remain constant, then your suggested methodolgy is a purely academic and unrealistic suggestion.
However, my method is far simpler and easier to work out. Do we lose more often when Neville is in the team or not? The analysis of the results suggests that we lose more games when he isn't in the team. The only way of actually assessing this is to look at the games he played in and those he didn't.
Just to be fairer to you though and go a little way to assessing like with like:
There are 4 games this season that mirror those games he missed in the period I referred to last season:
Spurs Away - Lost 2-0
Liverpool Home - Lost 2-0
Wolves Home drew 1-1
Stoke home drew 1-1
Neville played in none of these. Wins out of 4 = zero
Spurs away - drew 1-1- he played
Liverpool home - won 2-0 he played
Wolves home drew 1-1-he didn't play
Stoke home won 1-0 he played.
. He played in 3 lost - zero.
52 Posted 01/11/2010 at 23:33:43
In the absence of these common denominators you can only look at how the player performs each game. As I have said before I think that Nevilles first touch and distribution are average to poor his ability to beat players is far inferior to Baines on the other side. He shouts a bit more and is a fairly decent tackler, not sure that warrants an automatic start as captain to be honest!
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