Over the last couple of weeks, a little bit to my surprise, Adrian Durham on Talksport has been advocating Pip as the best English right back and that he should be in the England team.
I am full of praise for our captain, but was still surprised. However, having just watched Gareth Bale destroy Inter for the second time and knowing Pip totally nullified him, Durham's thoughts become more realistic. Can anyone name a more consistent right back than Phil Neville?
I am a very proud English supporter and I would certainly be happy if he was chosen again.
Tim O'Connell, Posted 02/11/2010 at 21:38:38
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1 Posted 02/11/2010 at 23:34:26
2 Posted 03/11/2010 at 00:11:49
I have no doubt International duty with England played a part in Rooney fucking off.
Same with Lescott.
Plus if Rodwell gets a couple of games, he'll no doubt get the Rhino's top-lip of Rio whispering sweet millions in his ear,
Plus anything that has the potential to get Everton players injured, I'm against.
Plus you have to cheer for Stevie G and Jamie, imo both shifty, sly and cowardly.
Mainly though, it's because most people from England seem to delight in the thieving scum Scouser stereotype.
Seriously - try visiting Beaulieu or Lymington and see how far you get explaining to the locals you're a fellow 'Englishmen' (nb: don't be like Rooney and Stubbs in the estate agents in Chelsea - do it fast BEFORE the police arrive)
In my experience, 'The English' hate scousers, Consequently, anything they support, I don't.
3 Posted 03/11/2010 at 01:42:31
4 Posted 03/11/2010 at 01:46:32
5 Posted 03/11/2010 at 06:39:44
In my own personal experience, I've found the Americans, Aussies and Irish actually seem to quite like us and view the city very positively.
I can honestly say it's ONLY here (nb: in England) that the simple act of ordering a pint or asking for directions marks me out as a violent, work-shy thief.
By the way, I LOVE your use of 'grace the world stage'.
In fact I'm going to start using it myself but with your ironic interpretation.
EG: (shakes head) "Benfica put five past us, yes we certainly graced the world stage tonight"
(you were being ironic weren't you, or do think regular humiliation in World Cups IS 'gracing the world stage'?).
Also liked your use of 'wallow around' - means nothing but sounds negative - clever!
6 Posted 03/11/2010 at 07:49:36
If you think that it's only in England that Scousers get verbal abuse you should visit Wales more. If I had a pound for every time someone, joking or not, has brought up the "thieving Scouser" topic I could BUY Wales. Even after pointing out that the crime levels are,per head, higher in Cardiff, Swansea, Rhyl etc. I still get it.
"Lock your drawers, Scouser alert" was a fairly common comment when entering work.
7 Posted 03/11/2010 at 08:33:38
Just face it: everyone hates everyone else to an extent. Try being a middle class southerner ordering a pint in your city centre, straight away you're being looked at differently. Probably because people are wondering which pocket holds the keys to the car.
8 Posted 03/11/2010 at 08:33:18
Personally though I wouldn't want him anywhere near the distractions and risks of an England squad he's too valuable to us.
Eugene some of the worst offenders in the thieving scouser myth are so called comedians. Every lazy, second rate comedian on TV, now that racial, religious or fat wife/mother in law jokes are off limits, seems to thinks its fine to joke about a whole section of the population being thieves and scallys. Reason? they know they won't end up in court.
9 Posted 03/11/2010 at 08:55:12
However, the velocity at which this thread left the theme of the original post to become a discussion about the views of others (in respect of scousers) has made me think again.
'To boldly go....' and all that!
10 Posted 03/11/2010 at 09:08:30
11 Posted 03/11/2010 at 09:03:14
I was at WHL and from kick-off it was obvious that Everton's main priority was to keep Bale quiet.
I do not want to nulify your post but Bale also had to cope with Coleman before facing Neville. Basically, Coleman did not venture forward for much of the game. Being honest, we played with two right backs.
Additionally, and probably more to the point, Neville took Bale out in the first half, for which he was booked, this tackle left Bale limping and thereafter he had a quiet game.
What I'm saying is that it was not just Neville who kept Bale quiet but more likely Moyes's tactics of keeping two men on him, and whenever possible letting Bale know he's being marked. Our players did this to the tee.
12 Posted 03/11/2010 at 09:56:06
13 Posted 03/11/2010 at 11:41:08
14 Posted 03/11/2010 at 12:04:56
15 Posted 03/11/2010 at 12:42:13
Your'e right Howard #8 some of the worst ambassadors for this city have been the likes of Boardman, Tarbuck and Black. Gobshites one and all.
Not far behind is John Bishop! I went to see him in the Echo Arena and all the prick did was talk about the time he played in a Liverpool testimonial and his mates Carragher and Stevie G lar. Walked out befor the end, even my missus said he was an irritating shit.
16 Posted 03/11/2010 at 13:02:47
17 Posted 03/11/2010 at 13:26:12
18 Posted 03/11/2010 at 14:03:53
Maicon was ripped to bits by Bale last night (and last week) yet he's still considered the best right-back in the World even though defensively he's a bit iffy ? a la Ashley Cole.
19 Posted 03/11/2010 at 14:05:53
20 Posted 03/11/2010 at 14:11:45
21 Posted 03/11/2010 at 13:58:12
Normal language in the Alex on South Road.
John Bishop is quite funny but he obviously plays on his accent and that lazy scally accent goes right through me.......laaaa
22 Posted 03/11/2010 at 15:22:27
Dr Frasier Crane would refer humour dealing with grief and the chippy was in fact his baby sister. True story, is that a far enough tangent from the original post?
23 Posted 03/11/2010 at 15:39:11
24 Posted 03/11/2010 at 15:46:27
"Diego Maradonna has a Phil Neville tattoo"
I know, but it's the best I could come up with at short notice!
25 Posted 03/11/2010 at 15:47:06
I'd hate for Phil to get an England recall because of the significant increase in risk of injury plus it would only be a matter of time before rhino lip whispered in his shell like about a move to manure!
Seriously though, I would support any team playing against England with the exception of the Aussies and possibly Republic of Ireland. During the World Cup, I actually cheered every one of Germany's goals. The England team is mostly a collection of reprehensible maggots undeserving of my support.
26 Posted 03/11/2010 at 17:34:11
Tony Hibbert. Better defender, but doesn't lead like Neville does.
27 Posted 03/11/2010 at 18:20:36
Like most respondents, I couldn't give a hoot about Ingurrland, but it gives an indcation of how far they have fallen if the best names they can find for right back are Phil Neville and Glen Johnson.
28 Posted 03/11/2010 at 18:47:05
Bunch of prima-fuckin-donnas ? the players, that is!
29 Posted 03/11/2010 at 18:51:03
I also go to England matches and don't want Neville playing for England because frankly it would be backward step. Conversely, I don't want Rodwell/Jagielka playing for England because they might get injured/tapped up and not be available for my first team, Everton.
In my view, and all of those that I travel to matches with (there are plenty of us from the area you deride), consider Scousers of all persauasions even the RS variety to be most hospitable and welcoming. Get used to it mate, us on the south coast may soon be regarded as the "new Norwegians" simply because we were chosen to support Everon and love everything about the city and its inhabitants.
30 Posted 03/11/2010 at 19:04:58
31 Posted 03/11/2010 at 19:38:10
32 Posted 03/11/2010 at 19:44:30
33 Posted 03/11/2010 at 19:34:50
Try being an apprentice for five years in a garage and see what ultra thin skin gets you. In a garage you haven't got a choice, you grow a thicker skin and learn to put up with shite or you die.
If anyone's to blame about scousers and brummies and jordies and anyone with an accent then look to our precious media. They are the ones to blame for the way we all look at people from other parts of the country in a stereotypical way.
Also I can't believe anybody watches the BBC. Am I on a different planet or what. I'll bet you lot still pay your fucking license, wankers.....
34 Posted 03/11/2010 at 19:51:21
In fact to anyone asking "what has this got to do with England and Phil Neville?".
The original poster Tim O'Connell says he would be happy to see Phil Neville play for England as he (Tim) is a 'proud England supporter'.
That's his reason for wanting to see PN play for England and fair enough.
But so imo are all the reasons posted for NOT wanting him (or any Everton players) involved with England.
Opposite views but not 'off thread'.
And If someone is challenged on their opinion, their response is not 'going off thread' either.
Anyway, debate develops, it doesn't have to stay rooted and inflexible to one spot.
Obviously If there's a thread about Everton's away support and someone posts that they love Vesta Chow Mein, pull em up, however personally I suspect the 'going off thread' thing is often used as a way of saying 'I don't like the way this is heading'.
35 Posted 03/11/2010 at 20:39:13
36 Posted 03/11/2010 at 20:31:23
No, I'm not buying it
It was the line "I can't believe anybody watches the BBC".
Plus your assertion that Stan Boardman was funny.
My satire senses started twitching.
I'm guessing you're a performer, have developed a character and are immersing yourself in him, in the same way that Sascha Baron-Cohen did with Ali G or Steve Coogan does with Partridge.
I'm seeing a small theatre in Edinburgh, single spotlight and you in overalls, oil on the fingers, a rag hanging out the arse pocket and...
"BBC!? Youuu WANKERS!" or "YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING THESE DAYS!"
I'm guessing we could be watching the Jon Cox show in a couple of years (or maybe you're in a Mike Leigh?)
If I'm wrong I'm... well, a bit scared,
37 Posted 03/11/2010 at 21:20:59
I can't afford a psychiatrist, but you appear to be the next best option :)
38 Posted 03/11/2010 at 21:49:20
Let me see then.
Erm....ah, I see you put a question mark after "Free of charge that is" which is not a question.
Plus you've done that smiley face thing.
So I reckon you're as....
Shit sorry, gotta go, phone.
39 Posted 03/11/2010 at 22:20:56
40 Posted 03/11/2010 at 23:37:00
oh hang on, just checked on wikipedia and found he has been picked FIFTY-NINE SODDING TIMES already by about 6 different England managers, ergo of course he's bloody good enough. I don't understand this whole debate.
41 Posted 03/11/2010 at 23:42:24
42 Posted 04/11/2010 at 10:42:19
"In my experience,"the English," hate Scousers.Consequently anything they support,I don't."
So on account of a perceived prejudice ? he actually advances his own (subjectively reciprocal) prejudice first!!
Hardly "hands across the water," is it?!
43 Posted 04/11/2010 at 17:30:01
Long live Scousers everywhere.
44 Posted 04/11/2010 at 17:52:44
45 Posted 04/11/2010 at 17:52:44
46 Posted 04/11/2010 at 18:39:14
Did your cow refuse to produce milk for you and ask to move to a new farm by any chance?
47 Posted 04/11/2010 at 19:09:17
Have you heard him say; "You are unbelievable" when he doesn't agree with something Darren Gough or one of the others say??? Honestly, I'd kick his self righteous, tabloid-bandwagon-jumping-on, ginger head in, right there live on the radio station.
Is he only there to insight (road) rage?
I gather Talk Sport get a nice few quid from the incensed listeners who call in to put him right and for that reason I never will.
I can imagine Alan Brazil and Porky Parry in their monthly meetings saying "shall we get rid of that tube Durham?" and then quickly riposting "nah, the calls from wind-up hour just paid for the box at Chelsea/Man Utd etc".
Thanks for this opportunity to vent my hatred for Adrian Durham without falling in the trap of calling Talk Sport's 0898 number?
While we are (I am anyway) on the subject of Talk Sport, does it grind anyone else?s gears that they, without exception, have the same commentary game on as 5-Live What's the F'in point of that??!! Do they think we won?t notice? Do they think their audience is so stupid that they?d rather listen to Stan Collymore sit and recount what he sees on a television punctuated by adverts every ten minutes than turn over to the BBC and listen to Alan Gree?? aaah I get it.
BTW Phil Neville should have been in the World Cup squad as cover in at least three positions but it's too late now.
48 Posted 05/11/2010 at 07:37:30
I stated "In my experience (nb: MY experience) the English hate Scousers. Consequently anything they support, I don't."
Now my response could be interpreted as childish or angry or irrational or stupid or...many other things.
However you say "So on account of a perceived prejudice ? he actually advances his own (subjectively reciprocal) prejudice first!!"
And why is this interesting?
Well firstly there's your use of 'perceived' regarding another person's experience/s.
Fact: 'In my experience' I was always there, you never were, so I'm curious to know what qualifies you to use 'percieved' with such confidence when referring to someone else's reality?
However what really fascinates me, from a scientific point of view, is that it appears I am being accused of directly challenging Newton's third law of motion.
His third law states that for every action (force) in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, if object A exerts a force on object B, then object B also exerts an equal and opposite force on object A (nb: basically how I see my situation re England - England discriminates against Scousers, I withdraw support for England - action and reaction).
Now however, it seems we have Hudson's law, which reverses this.
Remember "So on account of a perceived prejudice ? he actually advances his own (subjectively reciprocal) prejudice first!!"?
Sounds very like 'For every REACTION there is an equal and opposite action'.
Maybe an apple fell on your head?
PS: By the way, you can direct questions/criticisms directly to me. This thing of "he says this!!" makes it sound like something escaped from the zoo
49 Posted 05/11/2010 at 12:10:03
With a whiff of hypocrisy, you've become passive-agressive to the whole on account of the bigoted actions of the few... and, in the process, fallen into the trap of re-inforcing the tiresome stereotype of the cliched Scouser harbouring a chip on his shoulder.
Sadly, I too have not been immune to these wearisome prejudices... but I've discovered the best way to ameliorate this psychological trend of our English brethren is by removing any (percieved) ammunition,and subtlety shifting their opinion of our kind...
ie: Don't be a sucker!!
50 Posted 06/11/2010 at 09:57:40
Same to you with passive-aggressive nobs on!
51 Posted 07/11/2010 at 15:15:17
52 Posted 07/11/2010 at 20:39:02
Read a red-top if you want dumbed-down discussion. (That's sarcasm & alliteration).. Should I pretend to be thick to conciliate your inverse-snobbery? ( You might want to look that one up.)
Or maybe not..
Cast your mind back to the calamitous "Negativity an explanation," article published by you on ToffeeWeb. Remember indulging in these particular words: Zenith-permeates-hegemony-vacuous-disposition-pejorative & puerile?
Do you also remember incorrectly spelling the word "correllation?"
Then why the sudden volte-face?
53 Posted 07/11/2010 at 23:01:08
He's actually trawling back over your past posts to get you.
54 Posted 07/11/2010 at 23:33:48
(Meanwhile.., Undies. Vest. Computer.)
55 Posted 08/11/2010 at 10:21:40
You are now in my power.
I can bring you to this post and make you dance about whenever I feel bored.
In fact, right now you'll be thinking "He's posted again! Where's my bumper book of long words and my Gyles Brandreth put-downs compilation?"
And it's no good suggesting I'm wrong because there you are, just below this post.
Go on dance!!
56 Posted 08/11/2010 at 10:50:03
Although your arguments lack the necessary gravity, as you are a WIMP!!
(Weakly Interacting Massive Particle )
57 Posted 08/11/2010 at 11:12:55
58 Posted 08/11/2010 at 12:25:51
Good cardio-vascular exercise doing this in my "Giles Brandreth," style jumper...
(Heads back to Dictionary Corner...)
59 Posted 08/11/2010 at 15:35:41
However, I would point out that there is a not so subtle difference between using 'fancy' words in a relevant context, and shoe-horning them into sentences where they have absolutely no place, in a manner that can only be designed to make yourself look uber-intelligent.
Here's a bit of advice: it has the opposite effect.
60 Posted 08/11/2010 at 16:49:04
You've appointed yourself The Authority on linguistic etiquette,and are now policing ToffeeWeb Towers! This must keep you awake long into the night!
Does this mandate permit you to employ any word you choose (after all, everything you say has relevancy), and empower you to capriciously arbitrate on the oh-so important concept of other people's grammar?
Can I be arrested for failing to uphold blue-collar language at all times?
Should non-native English contributors take heed?
Does your semantic & pedantic regime extend to all who dare submit a post on this hallowed forum-or is Ciaran's Law designed exclusively for me?
Did you know that the fancy accent hovering over the second A in your name offers no linguistic function whatsoever, as your name is pronounced exactly the same without it?!
An indulgent shoe-horn that makes you look uber-pretentious.
61 Posted 08/11/2010 at 18:30:25
DANCE!! C'MON, MORE MORE!!!
(Adopts Slim Pickens accent, fires colt 45 at Kevin's feet)
Say 'capriciously arbitrate' agin shitkicker!
Say 'Ennui, peut-etre' again!
"Maaaan you use your voice purdier than a twenty dollar whore"
62 Posted 08/11/2010 at 20:25:18
"Pick up the gun.."
63 Posted 09/11/2010 at 09:33:49
Is the word 'sophistry' in your garbled vocabulary?
I am certainly not policing the board - just having a laugh at your strained attempt to look brainy.
ps: I think you'll find that the fada in the Irish language broadens a vowel and therefore has a very real 'linguistic function'... But then again, please feel free to educate me on the merits of my own name and native language. You do appear to be that type.
64 Posted 09/11/2010 at 10:53:43
Gently poking you over your name is the direct response to the SOLE purpose underlining your contribution to this thread:
To mock how I use MY native language.
Clearly YOU are that type!
You leave yourself wide open to the very charges you direct at me, hoping I won't pick up on your hypocrisy, as you're just "having a laugh."
And yet, without knowing anything about me, or having met me, you reckon I wish to impress a chatroom full of strangers I'll never meet, in cyberspace.
You're full of personalised assumption, aren't you?!
Is that inferiority?
What's the Gaelic word for "bitter?"
65 Posted 12/11/2010 at 16:54:49
ps: As usual, the rest of your post is gibberish.
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