Having just watched Aston Villa led (???) by Houlier, is it a case of ?Better the Moyes you know?.??
Under O?Neill, Villa were definitely a team that could have challenged for the magical 5th place but look at them now? completely out-played and out-muscled by a Blackburn team (who even had a 6?4? giant on the bench) on Saturday.
I looked at the players Houlier had found somewhere ? household names such as Clark, Bannan and Hogg, with the likes of a 38-year-old coming off the bench ? where were the likes of Heskey, Carew, Reo-Coker and Albrighton?injured or dropped?
Now I know there were many reasons for O?Neill to go? but unfortunately there is not that much talent out there right now to choose from?
If not Moyes ? then who???
Dave Cooper, Posted 21/11/2010 at 22:41:02
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1 Posted 22/11/2010 at 04:29:33
We are not Real Madrid... we are not in a place to sack a manager because the football isn't pretty.
Moyes is paid to get points and he goes about that in a safety-first manner 75% of the time. But, once or twice, I would love to see a line-up and formation that says, "We are Everton... we are better than you, and we are going to put 3 in the onion bag today or go down swinging".
2 Posted 22/11/2010 at 05:26:51
I mean, we were brilliant against Blackburn, were we not.? You cannot mean this is a reason not to sack Moyes.
3 Posted 22/11/2010 at 07:35:39
4 Posted 22/11/2010 at 08:12:06
5 Posted 22/11/2010 at 08:23:55
6 Posted 22/11/2010 at 08:10:22
Have you not noticed... we aren't even in the remedial class of the School of Science this term?
7 Posted 22/11/2010 at 09:05:57
Transforming a workmanlike squad into crowd pleasers doesn't happen overnight. Remember we still have the same core of player that ground out 1-0 wins a couple of seasons ago.
It's a somewhat painful experience watching this slow evolution, we only nail it when on form and with key-players performing. Movement off the ball and pace is still missing from the equation.
But yeah, Moyes is gradually trying to do what most ToffeeWebber's want. It will be painful, but maybe it will take us further in the end?
8 Posted 22/11/2010 at 09:58:35
Also, Villa are playing good football, this is only a blip and Blackburn is not an easy place to go, look at our first game of the season.
9 Posted 22/11/2010 at 10:43:39
I thought the aquiring of Pires was a great move, helping the younger players, coming on for the occasional cameo. I particularly like Albrighton: fast, direct, crosses a great ball and gets on the end of things; Young now playing behind the forward (less diving would be an improvement); the target man, Carew, now consigned to the past as the long ball not utilised.
Villa a very similar club to us, sleeping giants, but making moves on and off the pitch, both player and ground wise; 43,000 capacity, NO obstructed views.
10 Posted 22/11/2010 at 12:52:56
11 Posted 22/11/2010 at 12:54:05
Houllier is doing okay at Villa, just as O'Neill was doing okay. I haven't watched much of them, but I don't think what's happening there has any relevance to us.
I'm a Moyes backer, despite his faults, and don't want rid of him, and it's true the lack of a better alternative has been an important point in these debates over the years; however, having a Dad who's a Burnley fan, and watching Bolton's form this season, there is a clear candidate who I think lots of clubs will be looking at in Owen Coyle.
12 Posted 22/11/2010 at 14:13:11
13 Posted 22/11/2010 at 14:20:50
14 Posted 22/11/2010 at 14:34:31
15 Posted 22/11/2010 at 15:07:06
16 Posted 22/11/2010 at 15:43:30
17 Posted 22/11/2010 at 16:43:27
1) Owen Coyle, if we can pinch him off Bolton now they're doing well;
2) Mark Hughes, I'm sure he'd walk to Everton just to get back into the northwest. I don't think his heart is in it down there... plus he's got something to prove after the Man City affair.
18 Posted 22/11/2010 at 16:39:44
19 Posted 22/11/2010 at 19:20:12
I've had enough... he's got to go! It's nine years and counting, and this team he's put together, you know, the one he's been building for nine years, are fuckin useless.
This was the year, they said: Moyes, Arteta, Nev, Tim, something special, they told us. Well, they're talking shite. in nine fucking years this so-called manager has built a team with no pace, none whatsoever!
They're so fucking slow to break with the ball, that teams don't worry about us in them circumstances. Blackpool and Newcastle look more exciting than we do, even Bolton and Blackburn, look more of a threat than us.
Let's get the money talk out of the way: Everton have spent over £100M gross under Moyes; Villa have spent something similar. How much money have Newcastle and Blackpool, Stoke, Bolton, Blackburn, etc spent in the last ten years?
People who believe Moyes is doing a great job under the financial circumstances, are deluding themselves. Moyes the manager cant take us to the next level, his teams have no PACE, he isn't tacticaly astute, he can shore up a leaky defence but that's about it.
His unhealthy relationship with the Chaiman, job for life etc , is detrimental to Everton. His loyalty to certain players is a disgrace, if it wasn't for the fans on this site and others like it, Coleman wouldn't be playing wide right.
Where's are 'secret weapon' (Gueye)? He's that fucking secret Moyes has forgotten him. Just like he's forgotten to tell the likes of Butch Arteta Wilkins to fucking run into the box with the ball, run at players... Attack, attack, fucking attack...
He hasn't got it in him. Sack the unsackable, now ? get someone in with a bit of guile. Take a chance on Martinez, fuck me even Holloway's Blackpool play more entertaining football than we do, and they have fucking pace and fucking attack.
IMWT, Well not me. IMWT My fuckin arse!!!!!!
20 Posted 22/11/2010 at 19:33:40
21 Posted 22/11/2010 at 23:27:55
4-5-1 Starting line up has got to be:
Coleman Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines
Fellaini or Rodwell
Gueye, Arteta, Pienaar
For 4-4-2, a decision and a sacrifice has to be made, whether we like it or not:
Coleman Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines
Fellaini or Rodwell, Arteta
22 Posted 23/11/2010 at 02:10:24
23 Posted 23/11/2010 at 03:13:37
He might be great; he might be out of his depth. Let's just see before we put him from the start. Personally, I can't wait to see him play but I think he has to prove something before he becomes a definite starter. A few sub appearances first.
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