So, enough said about last night. Disappointing, even if i probably would have taken a point beforehand.
For me and many others, gathering from some of the comments on here, it was in the central midfield area that we were particularly poor. I think Arteta and Heitinga are, on their day (and in the right positions), top class players but at the moment they are passengers at best, liabilities at worst.
It's time to play Rodwell and Fellaini. For me these two at 19 and 22 have the capacity to become one of the best central midfield combinations in the league.
Fellaini (when not suspended) has looked class since midway through last season. He is composed, intelligent, has a good engine and range of passing to add to his obvious physical presence.
Rodwell, though raw, has pace, stamina, can pass and shoot well off both feet and is potentially a future captain of Everton and England.
Both these players are box-to-box and can both defend and create and score goals and it is my belief that if we are to challenge at the top in the next 4 or 5 years then they must be at our heart.
Arteta will come good again, Heitinga must return to centre back, but for now let's have a glimpse at the future.
Oh, and enough Saha starting...feed the yak.
Sam Hoare, Posted 23/11/2010 at 11:17:47
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1 Posted 23/11/2010 at 13:37:58
As to last night, Arteta was again poor by his standards but I thought Heitinga was back to form, particularly second half.
Happy how we played but do agree that Yak should be ahead of Saha and that is a strange one.
2 Posted 23/11/2010 at 13:37:37
3 Posted 23/11/2010 at 13:40:46
I agree with the previous poster, give Coleman a rest and push Arteta out to the right.
4 Posted 23/11/2010 at 14:16:47
5 Posted 23/11/2010 at 14:35:55
6 Posted 23/11/2010 at 14:38:07
As for Heitinga right mid? Not sure you'll get a lot of support for that idea.
Danny and Ben ? How about Arteta RM and Coleman overlapping at right back... that would surely make for a dangerous right side... but may be suspect defensively?
7 Posted 23/11/2010 at 14:38:06
8 Posted 23/11/2010 at 17:34:42
He is undoubtedly having a poor season ? I actually thought in the first half last night that he wasn't running properly and looked sluggish as hell, but he improved second half. I don't think he's fit and is carrying some sort of injury.
9 Posted 23/11/2010 at 17:45:56
Saha has now had 45 attempts at goal since he last scored. Yakubu needs about 5 seasons before he would get anywhere near that figure. So lay off the midfield and aim your criticism where it is most needed.
Fellaini will be back on Saturday anyway and Rodwell is not good enough yet. Not only that, but Arteta has scored 3 goals ? more than our strikers will get all season so talk of dropping him is nonsense. Or are you one of the lunatics who wan't Cahill dropped too?
10 Posted 23/11/2010 at 18:15:29
I've been against moving Arteta out wide because he's our best player and gets to influence the game more in the middle. However, his current form is really poor and it's looking like the time to try either resting him (very short term, maybe one match), or more medium term, playing him wide right with Coleman overlapping.
I don't think we'd miss him in the middle doing that, especially if Fellaini and Rodwell struck up the quality partnership they look capable of, and he'd have the freedom to create and put crosses in from the wide positions. His link up with Coleman could also be extremely effective.
This does mean dropping Phil Neville though, so it's all just a pipe dream despite his complete inability to put in a decent cross.
11 Posted 23/11/2010 at 18:57:04
I think Arteta did well in CM for a while, but he played his best football for Everton on the wing with Steven on the other flank, it gives him less responsibility and he can float about making us more fluid.
My midfield would be Pienaar, Rodwell, Felli and Arteta with Cahill alongside Alan Shearer!
12 Posted 23/11/2010 at 19:13:06
I think if Moyes left him out for a game, he could use it as a rest/kick up the backside and hopefully he would redouble his efforts to get back to the levels we all know he is capable of.
By the way, I think we squeezed the last few drops of quality out of Saha last season, and we really need to make the Yak our first choice striker now. His link-up play is better with Cahill, and he needs a run of games to see if he can get back to the player he was before his injury. If not, we'll have to bring a striker in in January. Failing that, I fear a season of mid-table mediocrity this year.
13 Posted 23/11/2010 at 21:37:20
I'd have a midfield and forward line of:
Coleman Cahill Fellaini Pienaar
I feel Arteta will do more damage if he's allowed to roam behind the front man. He'll get us goals from that position and assists. The alternative is him on the left and Pienaar in that role.
I'd also consider Billy for the role behind the front man. He's the only player we have that hits an early pass and I reckon he'd work well with Beckford if given time.
Cahill provides more energy so I'd have him as a conventional midfield player with a license to get forward.
14 Posted 23/11/2010 at 22:28:57
The only player living up to his own expectations is Cahill and, say what you will about his general play, he delivers the goods. The only one worth his pay packet in the midfield and forwards currently.
It's the reason we are seeing Jags hoofball it so much, no-one shows in midfield and when they do get it they run around in circles or go backwards.
We need a general in midfield, someone to control the team and those around him. Dictate play, not just with the ball but HOW we set up, cover and formation.
Would we be any better with the squad we have with an experienced general in the middle? Yes, I think so, but even so, the time has come to stop moving the deckchairs on the Titanic by playing players out of position (JH, JR, SC, BD) you can get away with one player in a game out of position but we regularly seem to have several! It don't work!
Finally, you don't score unless you get the ball in the box. We rely on Baines or Coleman to deliver crosses, if Baines has his hands full with an attacking wide player it doesn't happen. If Coleman comes up against a good fullback it doesn't happen... We end up with pumped balls from the half way line from Neville or Jags, it's crap and we all know it.. (on the one occasion in a season it works the strikers blow it ... sigh).
So... we need a hard-nosed defensive midfield general who can dictate how the team plays and players in the right positions. That means changes in the team...
15 Posted 24/11/2010 at 01:35:57
For me, it's the two players that you've mentioned in the original post that dictate it. At 19 and 22 we should be looking at what we could be when they are in their prime ? possibly in 4 or 5 years time.
Arteta will be history so let's sell if a decent offer comes in. This isn't knee-jerk ? if I thought we could do anything in the next 2 or 3 years then I'd happily keep him.
Cahill has little value at his age so might as well keep him to guide younger players. And you carry on like that through the squad. Sell players with some resale but no prospect of being around in 4 or 5 years and bring in players with some potential. Promote the youth and see what they can do... do they have the potential?
You could make a similar case about our manager ? his potential seems have been achieved. He's solid but unspectacular. He can take a team from the bottom and get them somewhere near the top half. Now lets see if there's someone out there who has greater potential.
I've little doubt that this represents our best chance at challenging for a title. Even then it's still a long shot but what's the alternative? I just don't see one. What does a football club exist for if it is not aiming to win something? The majority of teams are happy to stagnate in midtable in hope of snagging a CL spot in a lucky year ? it's simply a business decision to hold onto the money. Wouldn't it be great to see teams try something in order to genuinely challenge? Even with a few years of struggles, I'd consider that to be closer to our club motto than simply finishing as high as we can with no possibility that we will win anything.
The big balancing act is staying in the Premier League while we're building. But at least it might show a plan, and we might see some progress. I'd love to see a young Everton team win only 10 games in a season playing the right way and making progress. I'd prefer it to an ageing Everton team finishing 8th-10th in the knowledge that it isn't going to get any better.
I might be on my own?
16 Posted 24/11/2010 at 02:51:24
17 Posted 24/11/2010 at 09:25:13
I agree with those who call for Saha to be replaced by the Yak and Beckford should be played alongside him for a decent run of games. How is he expected to improve and adapt to the PL if he doesn't get playing time?
18 Posted 24/11/2010 at 19:12:50
Cast your mind back to a couple of seasons ago. I remember on this site everyone having a go at Arteta because of the way he was taking dead ball kicks, corners, free kicks etc. It turned out that he had a problem with his groin.
Check out the last 5 games. A footballer doesn't stop, overnight taking dead ball kicks. There must be a reason for it. I say the guy's got a problem again with his groin.
Now that Fellaini and Rodwell are back it's time to give Arteta a rest and if he has got a problem with his groin then we must let the management sort it out.
I believe that at the moment, this guy is doing nothing for us and it isn't down to a lack of skill or fortitude.
19 Posted 24/11/2010 at 19:36:34
"Grim Monday morning"
20 Posted 24/11/2010 at 20:43:53
Charlie Adam, Blackpool, is your man.
This was our Lee Carsley. We have never replaced him !!!
21 Posted 24/11/2010 at 23:57:55
You're right, Jon, Charlie Adam is the ilk we need... btw just saw Rangers go down to Manure... they have a couple of good players in there too.
22 Posted 25/11/2010 at 11:15:19
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