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What's going on with our club?? We have Pienaar and Anichebe out of contract at the end of the season??? How was that allowed to happen??

We are playing someone who does not want to be at the club and makes it all too obvious when he's on the pitch... why does the manager pick him?? It's like playing with ten men!

By the way, if the two players mentioned leave on frees then with Gosling that's over £20 million pounds worth of player!!! What is going on at my club?????
Paul Loins, Frodsham     Posted 02/12/2010 at 22:07:48

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Michael Kenrick
1   Posted 03/12/2010 at 07:31:55

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Astounding post! I hope somebody tries to put you straight...
Eric Myles
2   Posted 03/12/2010 at 07:33:59

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Quite possibly Anichebe, like Gosling, was seen as a long term injury and not worth the risk of signing up until he'd proved his fitness.

As for Pienaar I agree, he should have been tied down as he's consistently one of our best players, especially given this quote from Moyes in another article.

?We have managed to loosen the restraints a little but I have always wanted to keep the best players: 'Let me build a team, keep the best players, give them the best I can, prepare them the best I can and make them feel good.'

So what went wrong with Pienaar?
Steve Pugh
3   Posted 03/12/2010 at 08:23:54

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Simple, Piennaar refused to sign any contract we put in front of him; as for Vic, he has probably got fed up of reading on TW that he is not good enough for Everton so he has decided to go.
Al Reddish
4   Posted 03/12/2010 at 08:43:35

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I take it you must mean Heitinga, Saha or maybe Arteta when you say someone playing for our club who doesn't want to be here, because from what I have seen so far this season, Pienaar runs his bollox off every game, and along with Baines, seems to be our only real creative force.

Sure he wants to leave but you can't accuse him of not trying. He probably wants to be at a club that can build on any success, and one that shows a bit more ambition from the very top. I fear he will be a big loss.

As for Vic, he is a bit of an enigma. A good squad player maybe with the potential for more, but I don't think we will miss him as much as the little braided-haired fella.

Will that do, Michael @ 1?

KPR Williams
5   Posted 03/12/2010 at 08:57:32

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Pienaar runs his plums off and scores not a single goal, actually supplies very few killer final passes or even shots on target.

Let them both go; disappear into obscurity...

Dillusions of grandeur ? see Jeffers.
Gareth Humphreys
6   Posted 03/12/2010 at 09:02:11

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Gosling is old news and was a monumental cock-up over handshakes and gentlemen's agreements ? they don't work.

Pienaar wants parity with Arteta and, to be fair to him, I think he is being generous as he is far more important and effective than one of the most average Spaniards we know and I think he should be given what he wants.

Anichebe has probably still got a titty lip on with Moyes over not joining Hull and will probably leave ? hopefully to an English club so we get some decent recompense.

Trevor Lynes
7   Posted 03/12/2010 at 09:38:27

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I still think that Anichebe will develop into a good player and I for one will be sorry if we let him go. Pienaar is a great pro and never fails to give his all; he never hides and covers more ground in every game than any other player in our squad. Of course he makes mistakes and does not score often enough but no-one can point an accusing finger at his commitment.

The only player we have who is scoring is Cahill and he gets most of his ammunition from Baines/Pienaar combinations. Pienaar is worth as much as anyone at the club and if his contract does not reflect this then I don't blame him for wanting away.

The loss of Pienaar and Anichebe will definitely be felt, especially if we continue to do nothing in the transfer market, as our youngsters don't seem to be good enough to push for places.

All we need is a few injuries and we will be in the shit big time.

Paul Loins
8   Posted 03/12/2010 at 09:46:13

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I meant Heitinga but as you say, Al (#4), it could a few more. With the Gosling debacle (old news ???... still valid, methinks) and now Anichebe with Pienaar (why is not he being given parity with Arteta???), the club is operating in a strange manner.

Newcastle took a chance on Gosling and we have his medical records!!! The extent of Victor's injury should be known by the club and his contract should've been sorted out over 2 years ago and tied up on a long contract.

My question is still the same... why are players leaving on frees when they should've been tied up by the club well before the end of their contracts or should have been sold for a substantial fee? We are not in the position to let players we develop or bring in just walk away... I still await your answers...

Danny Burke
9   Posted 03/12/2010 at 09:52:43

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Pienaar has been offered a contract, the club can't or won't go any higher/longer and so it looks like he will be off in the summer, sadly.

Big Vic for the last few years has made Saha and Vaughan look like Superman. Maybe the club would rather let him go than pay him his wages for sitting in the gym with the physios. I think Vic has some potential on the right hand side though so hopefully he can earn a new contract by storming the rest of the season and grabbing a few goals.
Anthony Millington
10   Posted 03/12/2010 at 11:27:39

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It was interesting to hear that Gosling may have left because he wanted to play in his preferred position of centre mid, rather than out wide. Could this be the case with Victor now as well? Can he realistically expect to hold down a place as a striker?

Maybe we should have used Gosling as a holding midfielder. It would be interesting to have seen how he would have compared with Jonny Heitinga who has been playing there and costing us a fortune on wages.
Matthew Tait
11   Posted 03/12/2010 at 11:40:30

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Anichebe is a star? That's great, when did this happen?!

I could have sworn he was a decidely mediocre player with ideas above his station, but since I was mistaken we should definitely sign him onto an expensive long-term deal!
Peter Dancer
12   Posted 03/12/2010 at 12:13:51

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Well I just hope we sell them in January. If they are going, we may as well make some money out of them. It'll be a total waste to let them go for free.
Anthony Hughes
13   Posted 03/12/2010 at 12:49:55

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Pienaar will be a big loss, Anichebe? Do me a favour, just a poor man's Heskey.
Chris Perry
14   Posted 03/12/2010 at 12:55:19

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I actually think that Pienaar should get more money than Arteta. I cannot remember the last time Arteta took a game by the scruff of the neck and wrestled it in our favour. I can remember the last time he went awol and did fuck all.

To me, Arteta is part of the problem and a fucking bit part at that. He slows the play down too much, so much so that any one with anything about them has tried to make a move and Arteta moves it backwards or sidewards. I am glad he is suspended as it will show that really he is no real loss.

Paul Loins
15   Posted 03/12/2010 at 13:04:19

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People seem to be missing the point here... there are clubs queuing up for Pienaar and Anichebe, therefore there is/was money to be made to finance new signings... hope that puts it straight.
David Thomas
16   Posted 03/12/2010 at 12:40:32

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Graeme Sharp said on the radio city phone-in a few weeks ago that he had been told from someone at the club that the deal Pienaar has refused to sign thus far would have given him parity with Arteta, but he thinks he can get more.
Sean McCarthy
17   Posted 03/12/2010 at 13:31:24

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£20milion??? I'd love to know your valuations!! Gosling and Victor are and always will be Championship standard and Pienaar is a mercenary. End of.
Alex Kociuba
18   Posted 03/12/2010 at 13:39:36

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I agree Sean, but Newcastle were going to pay £4M for Gosling, it would be reasonable to assume Pienaar is worth £10M and Anichebe maybe £3-4Mm. So it's not that far off £20M with conservative estimates.

Pienaar, on form, with contract is worth £15M in my mind.
Chris Sillett
19   Posted 03/12/2010 at 13:47:46

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How we are going to replace Pienaar is my biggest worry. Players of his quality usually cost more than a bag of balls and a few bibs!
Rob Noonan
20   Posted 03/12/2010 at 15:23:39

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Pienaar... why don't we give him what he wants with a lengthy contract. Then, sell him at the end of the season, at least this way we get some money for him. Spurs would certainly be able match his new salary.
Michael Kenrick
21   Posted 03/12/2010 at 15:48:51

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Paul, the problem I have is that your rant is predicated on non-events. (Let's put aside the Gosling thing as that was clearly a one-off total fuck-up that we hammered out on here ad nauseam when it happened.)

Pienaar: the club has offered him a very good contract: now read this part carefully... NO CLUBS CAME IN FOR HIM. Everton and Moyes have done what they can (apart from giving the player everything he wants), and he still refuses to sign. Again, that is an issue of its own.

It could well be the same for Anichebe, no club may really be that interested to pay the sort of money Everton would want for him. There is always a difficult decision with marginal injury-prone squad players such as Anichebe and Vaughan: Keep them on long expensive contracts? Or go with shorter contracts? I think the shorter contracts make sense in this case.

The imperative to have everyone signed up for years, years before their existing contracts expire, only applies to your prime assets. The risk with the others is too great. And, so it turns out, the risk with even Saha and Arteta was too great. Give 'em a great contract and they turn to shit.

I blame Football Manager / Fifa Soccer 11 / whatever!
Paul Joy
22   Posted 03/12/2010 at 15:56:57

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Playing with 10 men ? that's just like picking Saha who has yet to break sweat this season ? might have something to do with the fact that we gave the lazy (talented) sod a contract last season instead of a pay as you play.

Players always come and go ? always have and always will ? it is the timing that matters.

Charlie Percival
23   Posted 03/12/2010 at 16:03:04

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Perhaps the woman who fucked up Gosling's contract was in charge of handling theirs too...
Rob Noonan
24   Posted 03/12/2010 at 16:11:48

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I think the reason that no other clubs came in for him might be that they realised his contract was up very soon... pay now or pay nothing later?
Leon Perrin
25   Posted 03/12/2010 at 17:10:34

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Paul

Asking whats going on at Everton is beyond MI6.

Frodsham eh, got my first fondle there aged 9 in nans sited caravan.
Is the site still there? I remember it being up on a long incline, used to have to walk about a mile from the bus stop,(No. 24 to Helsby I recall) can't remember the girls name.
Martin Handley
26   Posted 03/12/2010 at 17:47:38

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Paul, good post mate.

But everybody seems to be missing the point that the man to blame for all this is draining the club of £66 grand a week, has just given lucrative extended deals to Ossie and Hibbo and thinks that the way to repair Beckford's confidence is to slag him off in the national press Oh and he's also the same bloke that paid top dollar for Bily and Heitinga.

Pienaar won't sign because his agent already has him lined up for a move to Spurs, if we're lucky some foreign muppets may just pay us £10-12 mil for Jonny rotten.

Moyes is absolutely atrocious at player contracts or transfers, and let's not forget that this is the same man who took over 12 months to sign his new contract and he expects loyalty off the players! The man's a joke!

It doesn't even look like we're getting Donovan back on loan either so there's January's Plan A out of the window ? and we all know about Moyes's Plan B! Yes, that's right, chaps... there is no Plan B!

So expect Victor to be played at right back, with Jan Mucha upfront with Iain Turner!

Gavin Ramejkis
27   Posted 03/12/2010 at 18:08:43

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Charlie #23 that would be that Blue Rinsed Granny BK
Jimmy Hacking
28   Posted 03/12/2010 at 20:11:43

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Don't forget we nabbed Jermaine Beckford on a free. It's swings and roundabouts, innit.
Paul Loins
29   Posted 03/12/2010 at 21:39:39

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Good point Martin, same thought as me ... we know where the problem lies.

Michael (21#) ? We have never put Pienaar up for sale so how do we know if anyone expressed an interest? Do you know everything going on at Goodison, cos if you do you must be a member of FIFA! If we put Pienaar up for sale in the last few seasons, I would find it hard to believe no-one would of wanted in, in fact a top 4 club have made enquiries in the last 12 months to buy him, so you are incorrect in that point.

Also a clubs future is its youth, we developed the players and you think its ok to negotiate at the end of a contract. I'm sorry but that's not the way it works these days with agents looking for a lucrative move. We should be tying up our youth as the wage implication over a few seasons extra is minimal compared to the top players... End of lesson.

Michael Kenrick
30   Posted 03/12/2010 at 21:53:13

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Paul, some facts for you (as far as they can be known by us mere mortals):

1) Pienaar's contract situation was well known before last summer: NO CLUB CAME IN and offered to take him off Everton's hands. He or his agent talked their mouths off prior to the World Cup but he performed poorly and NOBODY CAME IN FOR HIM.

2) Everton simply DO NOT sign up all of their players to extensions years in advance of contract expiry. It is a case of business expediency considering the merits of each player. You may think they should do it for all... but the fact is... THEY DON'T.

End of lesson to you too!
Paul Loins
31   Posted 03/12/2010 at 21:52:35

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Hi Leon (#25), glad to get you nostalgic! Not sure whether your caravan park is still there. So much for keeping the fans informed hey? You will have to ask Mike as he seems to know all the transfer dealings.

I will go and get nostalgic with an 85 video......... cannot see us winning anything in near future, we will probably let the whole squad go on a free!

Paul Loins
32   Posted 03/12/2010 at 22:03:55

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Mike,

1. Moyes came out and says he will not sell and let him run down his contract whilst Rednapp expressed interest in him. If we would've accepted he would not've signed and put him up for sale, Spurs with a few other clubs would've offered us a fee... in my humble opinion... but our manager knows better and decided to keep him.

2. I consider Anichebe to be in the same bracket as Osman and Hibbert who were signed up on long-term deals and Moyes did have him in his first team squad on a regualr basis. So, in my humble opinion, he was in the group of players who should be locked in ? but yet again, Moyes did not think so...

As I say again, in my humble opinion, Anichebe should've been signed up on a five-year deal when he had 2 years left and Pienaar should've been put on the transfer list 18-24 months ago so we could have got a replacement with the fee...
Martin Handley
33   Posted 03/12/2010 at 22:07:18

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Michael just to put you straight: no club made an official bid but plenty expressed interest to his agent as he only had 12 months left on his current deal and as long as they're from abroad can get him to sign a prenup in January.

The same is also true of Big Vic who if he goes abroad can walk away for free although any British club that signs him will only have to pay a training fee probably around £750k.

Also the fact that Everton (Moyes) is not even talking to his agent suggests there will be no offer. So I take it you think that makes good financial sense then? Most other clubs would offer him a deal get him to sign then flog him for around £2-4 mil now that makes sense.

Moyes has too much power and say over these matters and is too much of a ditherer when it comes to spending any money he has. He was good at spotting lower league talent but has never been good at the higher end eg, Billy, Krøldrup, Beattie etc.

Paul Loins
34   Posted 03/12/2010 at 22:46:32

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For Mike......

From The Sunday Times April 18, 2010

Football shorts: Tottenham Hotspur target Steven PienaarSPURS TARGET PIENAAR
Harry Redknapp has inquired about Everton?s Steven Pienaar as he seeks to add an attacking midfielder to Tottenham?s squad for what he hopes will be their first season of Champions League football, writes Duncan Castles. The Spurs manager?s options in central midfield have been limited with Jermaine Jenas out of favour or injured. Pienaar has only one season left on his contract at Everton and is comfortable playing centrally or on either wing.

Michael Kenrick
35   Posted 03/12/2010 at 22:39:42

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Okay, so the tittle-tattle linking Pienaar with Spurs did get pretty strong as these things go (I''m looking at our Rumour Mill). Key bits are:

'Arry saying he likes Pienaar, but that's as far as it goes (supposedly)...

Everton (supposedly) pricing him at £15M;

'Arry (supposedly) valuing him at £6M.

Everton and Spurs (supposedly) negotiating to swap him for Crouch, Bentley, Kranjcar, Bale, Paluvychenko, etc etc.. (can you see how fucking stupid this shit is?)

Harry (supposedly) declaring he'd "hit a brick wall" as far as Pienaar was concerned.

Moyes insisting Pienaar was going nowhere (standard declaration).

[Phew...] So what was your point? Upshot was no real sensible bid. NO-ONE (except Gosling) has left on a free, so what exactly is your point?

Oh, and we should have tied him up or put him on the transfer list 18 to 24 months ago? That's just a ridiculous way to build a team.. totally against what Moyes is trying to achieve. What do you think offering him a very reasonable contract around 12 months ago (if not earlier) was all about???

The club has done pretty much everything it is prepared to do for Pienaar. I accept that; it seems you don't. Anichebe, I think reasonable reasons have been put forward which I am inclined to accept; again, you're not. I don't think there are any other answers for you.

Paul Loins
36   Posted 03/12/2010 at 22:50:20

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Mike,
Moyes is signing up the players on 5-year deals so he can plan ahead. If Pienaar is not willing to sign then why keep him for another 12-18 months knowing he will leave? That is totally against what Moyes is trying to achieve.

It's best to let him go and get in another player on 5-year deal with the fee from Pienaar and then the manager can plan at least 3-4 years in advance. Moyes is trying to get a core of players on long-term deals and I say Anichebe should of been part of this plan... it's only my humble opinion...

Martin Handley
37   Posted 03/12/2010 at 22:51:33

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No, Moyes not realising 12 months ago that Pienaar was never going to stay and flogging him then for a decent profit,the same with Vic, but no instead he gives contracts to Saha, Hibbert and Osman great stuff! Really gets your mouth watering eh?

Atrteta is now a spanish version of Ray Wilkins crab like, Bily's and Beckford's confidences are shot, Jags is struggling to regain form and Coleman, Gueye and Yak are left to rot on the bench ? that's my point!

Oh and as I said before Donovan Plan A is too knackered to come to come us and the pathetic plea to Beckham was a joke!

Michael Kenrick
38   Posted 03/12/2010 at 23:05:31

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No, Moyes is signing up players on deals that have been offered and they agree to; and he's not signing up ones that don't agree. And then there's those that haven't yet been offered... probably because they are marginal / fringe / injury-prone...

Perhaps what's needed here is a new randomizer routine in FM that has the odd player now and again spitting his dummy out of the pram and refusing to sign his contract.
Chris Leyland
39   Posted 03/12/2010 at 23:24:10

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Martin post 26:

"Moyes is absolutely atrocious at player contracts or transfers"

Cahill £1.5m - what a shite transfer by Moyes

Arteta for £2m - over-priced.

Piennar - £2m waste of money.

Baines - £4.5m - what was he thinking of?

Buying Lescott for £4m and selling him for £22m - what a piss poor piece of business that was

Buying players like Bent and Kilbane on the cheap and the selling them on for a profit - piss poor.

Managing to flog on most of his shittier signings without taking a major hit i.e Beattie and Kroldrop - dickhead

Buying AJ for £8.5m getting a good year out of him then a shit one and still persuading Fulham to pay £11m for him - appalling.



Selling
Chris Leyland
40   Posted 04/12/2010 at 00:18:52

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Forgot to add Seamus Coleman for £60 grand. ? What an overpriced rip-off that was Moyes, you wanker.
Paul Loins
41   Posted 04/12/2010 at 05:15:45

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I still have not had any replies to why Anichebe was not offered a long-term contract 18-24 months ago when world beaters like Osman and Hibbert have been? In my opinion, at the time Anichebe was scoring goals in the League and Europe and should've been given a deal. Here we are, 8 years down the line, still playing Hibbert and Osman and people think that's acceptable?

If we know Pienaar did not want to sign 2 years ago then cash in, anyone telling me NO-ONE wanted him is not living in the real world as his form was excellent. If Everton put him on the transfer list, they would've got offers. However, he was not... so Everton got enquiries which they rebuffed.... HENCE NO OFFERS... thats the way it works.

Now at the moment on the pitch we are playing a defender in midfield who does not want to be there, a striker on a long-term deal who is injury-prone, whom we could've sold at a hansome profit, an untried Championship striker on a long-term deal who freezes in front of goal, players on long-term deals who are not up to the job on the right wing, and a manager who's only plan is to play negative, defend to the hilt, and try and win 1-0 ? when that fails, there is no Plan B. What game and team are people watching on here.... maybe it's Football Manager...
Martin Handley
42   Posted 04/12/2010 at 10:31:24

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Chris (#40) before you start calling people a wanker, sunshine, think about this: Pienaar, worth a minimum £10M, we get £0M ? yes that's right, fuck all; Anichebe, worth £2-4M, we get fuck all; Vaughan, worth minimum £1-2M, Moyes will probably get about £500k.

So far, not good reading... then and don't forget he gets £66k a week ? what a bargain that is!

And don't forget as I said previously he took his own sweet time nearly 12 months signing that (he thought Fergie was quitting and that he was a shoe-in for that job!). Also the fact that within two years of signing for us most players don't really have a good word to say about him, they talk about how great the club and we the fans are but seem to avoid talking about Moyes.

Oh and one final thought over Moyes's tenure ? we have have been spanked by more than 4 goals more times than I care to remember. So do me a favour, little boy, put your dummy back in, take those Moyes-coloured specs off and look at the league table, son. Moyes is a spent force with no Plan B or C to get us out of the hole we're in.

I personally am not looking forward to trips to places like Doncaster or Brighton if the worst happens ? and the only person to blame for that will be Moyes!

Tim Kells
43   Posted 04/12/2010 at 22:10:47

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Surely the only person to blame will be Billy Liar and not giving Moyes sufficient funds to invest and continue to improve the squad. Pienaar though will be sadly missed, in my opinion.

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