I just read about a bill to be submitted regarding reintroducing terracing to football stadia and wondered what Toffeewebbers thought about it.
"Don Foster, MP for Bath, today introduced a Bill in the House of Commons which if passed into law would allow the return of standing-only terraces at all football grounds including the Premier League. Lib Dem Foster introduced the Private Members Bill under the Ten Minute Rule. Among other MPs sponsoring the bill were Kate Hoey, Mike Hancock, Bob Russell and Greg Mulholland. The Bill (the Safe Standing ? Football Stadia ? Bill 2010-11) successfully passed this, the first stage, in its long jouney to the statute books; its Second Reading will be debated on 17 June 2011."
My view is it would be a cheap way of creating extra capacity and would produce a better atmosphere but would it enhance or detract from the matchday experience?
Jay Harris, Posted 08/12/2010 at 18:00:30
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1 Posted 08/12/2010 at 20:57:02
Personally, I'd love to stand, far more comfortable, it's better for people's health to stand up ? at least they're active rather than sitting down all the time. Look at the Poznan fans bouncing away at Manchester City. I've got to say it looked excellent on TV.
No reason why it should be re-introduced as people do it every week anyway without serious injuries being caused.
2 Posted 08/12/2010 at 20:53:35
3 Posted 08/12/2010 at 21:31:18
James ? an 'inanimate cage' ? eh? What other types of cages are available, and why would a supporter need one? Apologies in advance if I'm being slow and missing something obvious in your post ? it's my advanced years.
4 Posted 08/12/2010 at 22:15:56
Unlike Nelag (#1), not everyone is blessed with long legs, in that case, the terracing would need to be higher.
5 Posted 08/12/2010 at 22:14:23
'High profile' pundits like Lawrensen speak out against them as a "return to the dark days" which is no more than hyperbole from a Liverpool player from an era where it is impossible to be pro-terracing.
You have terraces down the league, in the States, brilliant terracing technology in Germany, terraces in other sports around the world with perfect safety record, yet there's a sinister cloud placed over their return for no reason than to give people a raison d'etre.
Nothing will go forward with this until the Hilsborough review, though, and I doubt they will get the go ahead as the EPL don't want the less savoury chants and language to affect the desire of sponsors to be associated with football. I'd imagine chants of the more prejudicial nature returning. Still, it would help facilitate football returning to the people.
6 Posted 08/12/2010 at 22:28:01
However, having seen our boys while wearing blue in the Kop and ditto the Kippax and Stretford End (not in blue-except the Altrincham game), I am convinced that those type of stands have no place. One moment you are with friends, the next praying that you are in control of your destiny but knowing you are not.
That said, I also recall standing in the Main Stand at Goodison in a then new area (the family area now) with many safety features, mainly crash barriers that prevented swirling crowds. Also experienced the same in the "Scoreboard" at OT and I think that both were safe (from crushes anyway).
In conclusion, for those that want it, I believe that there is a case for lower cost facilities for watching the game standing, and I for one hope that this gets through. Though I doubt it.
7 Posted 09/12/2010 at 00:13:36
I find it particularly annoying when our team scores and everybody in front of me rises to their feet in unison, forcing ME to stand up also, just to see what is going on! Cheeky beggars. Very inconsiderate that.
8 Posted 09/12/2010 at 10:15:45
"I find it particularly annoying when our team scores" ? is this a wind-up?
9 Posted 09/12/2010 at 10:32:15
10 Posted 09/12/2010 at 10:33:41
20 years later, thousands of fans in the Premier League and the Championship demonstrate that this is not the case.
And when fans stand in all-seater stadia today, it causes problems: It ruins the experience for those who want to sit. But equally, for many fans who prefer to stand, sitting ruins their experience.
If it can be done safely ? and it can be ? I believe it would be far better to have a mix of safe seating and safe standing areas in stadia where clubs chose to offer such options.
That way, children, families, and those who want a more peaceful experience could have it, while those who want to stand could exercise that right. And it can be done.
Countries like the United States, Canada, and Germany are certainly not negligent towards their citizens' safety. Yet these countries have harnessed technological developments to create standing areas that are safe. They are a popular choice with supporters.
Read more: http://susd.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=4510&posts=13#ixzz17bqVbw5x
Above is more extracts from the bill.
nb: Jimmy Hacking ? that part is relevant to your point
11 Posted 09/12/2010 at 11:30:47
12 Posted 09/12/2010 at 15:00:59
I went to Twickenham again last weekend and sat watching the rugger buggers whilst enjoying a nice over-priced pint in a plastic cup without the fear of getting ejected/prosecuted.
Same type of experience ? spectator sport ? except drinking and watching the match is allowed in Rugby stadia.
We are all equal... except some are more equal than others.
13 Posted 09/12/2010 at 16:03:12
Can we not make all of the stands with blocked views into terraces? The financial effect of the pillars will be reduced dramatically.
14 Posted 09/12/2010 at 18:35:40
If anything scuppers this idea, apart from 'lack of parliamentary time', it will be just that. The thin blue line will object. Can't have those nasty lower class football hooligans running around the terraces now, can we?
15 Posted 09/12/2010 at 18:40:36
Good idea in principle about the restricted views but with one (big) proviso. Most of the obstucted views are in the Upper Bullens and Upper Gladdy. Don't fancy those as standing areas....they'd collapse during the first game!
During one of the European games two years ago, the away supporters were jumping up and down in unison. The whole upper Bullens was swaying like a ship in a hurricane. I was shitting myself!
16 Posted 09/12/2010 at 19:49:55
17 Posted 10/12/2010 at 07:26:08
18 Posted 10/12/2010 at 09:20:22
19 Posted 10/12/2010 at 23:58:00
20 Posted 11/12/2010 at 17:56:35
Standing happens, therefore they should take every possible step to ensure it is safe to do so.
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