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After the last home game and several others at Goodison this season, we cannot feel optimistic... even after the point at Chelsea who are also in the doldrums. What is going on at home these days? We cannot seem to dominate anybody the way we used to and every game at home seems to be a struggle, except of course the Derby match. The inconsistancy is alarming.

Yes, Fellaini and Rodwell are back but now Osman is ready and be sure Moyes won't hesitate to show his undying belief in him by putting him on against Wigan. Mikel will be missed but has had some less than stellar performances this season. It would be nice to finally see Rodwell and Fellaini really turn it on as injuries and suspensions have punctuated their progress so far. Surely the season has to take off soon for the Blues?
Tom Bowers, canada     Posted 09/12/2010 at 21:56:12

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Russell Buckley
1   Posted 10/12/2010 at 02:51:57

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- Arteta is our best player on his day but he has been out of sorts all season
- Heitinga is a shadow of the player he was last season.
- Fellaini and Rodwell have both had interupted seasons
- Saha is washed up at the moment. Yak has been screwed over by Moyes just as he was getting back to form
- Beckford can't get a decent run
- Billy is failing to live up to his potential
- Our CB partnership still doesn't fill me with confidence like it did when Lescott and Jags were at their best.
- Hmmm... what else. Pienaar and Seamus are good but both are not wingers.

But, above all the moaning, it's the mentality that the players go out with. There is no speed or penetration to our play. We are very good at holding onto the ball nowadays but that's only helpful if you are already a goal or two up.

Our midfield does too much sideways passing. In their defence, the wide men and more importantly the strikers need to give them a clear option and scream out when they do.

The Yak is good at holding up the ball but a forward like that is most effective when he is laying it off to a midfielder who is coming through to attack. When was the last time you saw our centre-mids pelting through on an angle as they approach the box?

The Everton system at present is trying to play like Arsenal (eg - we get to the edge of the box and pass ourselves to death). Baines is the only player we have who can consistently hit good crosses into the box. It's not Neville's or Hibbert's strength and our wingers aren't wingers so you can't expect them to be great at it either.

Yes, Beckford has the advantage of coming on against tired players but the reason he produces chances is because he is running into space for the midfield.

If we stop mentally dragging our heels, I have no doubt we can put 3 goals in the back of the net.

Gavin Ramejkis
2   Posted 10/12/2010 at 10:16:29

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I'm pretty certain Moses is out with a shoulder injury which is some good news as he would have strode past the defence like they were stood still.

It's all down to whether or not Moyes grows some balls and plays form players or sticks with his usual shite.... I'm not holding my breath.
Mark Murphy
3   Posted 10/12/2010 at 10:41:30

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"BUT now Osman is ready... " ? Like that's a bad thing!

I'm going to stick up for Ossie here ? I think he gets totally over-the-top unfair stick on here. It's not as if we've been flying without him is it? Maybe, just maybe, it's him we've missed the most?

Whenever I've been at Goodison (in the Family Enclosure), Ossie gets a great reception from the scousers around me and the banter that comes back is always friendly. From what I've seen this season I'd have him in the side before Mikel, Heitinga and Bily, that's for sure!

We'll hammer Wigan ? it's a long time coming but this team will batter someone soon!

Anthony Hughes
4   Posted 10/12/2010 at 11:01:00

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We just don't know which Everton team is going to turn up at the moment, we're so inconsistent. I like Ossie too but he hasn't been the answer for years and he isn't going to be now.
Daniel Johnson
5   Posted 10/12/2010 at 12:13:58

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Looking forward to the defensive home defeat AGAIN and the usual muppets coming on here defending our superstar manager.
Peter Norris
6   Posted 10/12/2010 at 12:18:55

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Daniel - talk about a glass being half full mate, I think there's a hole in the bottom of yours - and I do mean the glass.
Daniel Johnson
7   Posted 10/12/2010 at 12:25:30

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@ Peter Norris

Well going from past experience this season sitting at Goodison watching us play the Premier League giants: Newcastle, Wolves, WBA, Bolton.... Maybe I know what I'm talking about.
Karl Jones
8   Posted 10/12/2010 at 12:54:07

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Sounds obvious, but what we have to do is make sure that we don't concede the first goal. We are utterly clueless when behind and look more likely to concede even more than to draw level, especially at home.

Most teams are pretty savvy when it comes to hanging onto leads at this level anyway.
Jon Cox
9   Posted 10/12/2010 at 13:16:55

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Karl, you mean like the Chelsea game?
Peter Norris
10   Posted 10/12/2010 at 13:29:34

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Daniel #7. Then there's Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs (both away of course) pretty much Premier League giants??
Robert Daniels
11   Posted 10/12/2010 at 14:00:16

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Here's my attacking team for the Wigan Game:

                Howard
Coleman  Jagielka     Distin   Baines     
               Fellaini 
         Rodwell        Pienaar
Anichebe                        Gueye
                Beckford
With Fellaini in front of the back four, and Rodwell and Pienaar surging forward at every oppertunity, and that means into the box (Mikel). We would then have Big Vic and Big Mag, storming down the wings, with Coleman and Baines overlapping threats as well, Beckford would occupy the centre-halves.

This team might concede, but it would score more than it would concede, and it would give us something to look forward too: exciting football. We might as well play attacking footy and get beat, than shit stuff, and still get beat.

And I've got Cahill on the bench, as Robbie Shields said on another thread, Cahill does throw up a problem, ie 4-4-1-1.

And I know Arteta is suspended, he wouldn't make my team either. I believe we may have seen the best of Mikel, and the injury he suffered has finished him mentally. He was once the most fouled player in the Prem, he got us clever free kicks all the time... Now it's a hot potato, he very rarely wins us free kicks as he is concerned about the forthcoming tackle. I don't know how he will ever overcome this fear. It's a shame but I think we have lost him.

Anyway, with Timmy, Bily, Baxter, on the bench, there's plenty of options should we need to change it, you know, 20 mins to go...

Mark Murphy
12   Posted 10/12/2010 at 14:14:09

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Robert, adventurous but highly unlikely!

More likely:

Howard
Neville
Jags
Distin
Baines

Fellaini
Rodwell

Coleman
Cahill
Pienaar

Beckford (hopefully but probably Saha)

Still good enough "on paper" to give a tonking to most teams!

Cahill was the first on that list!
Jamie Crowley
13   Posted 10/12/2010 at 15:36:57

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Any gentlemen's bets that at least 2 of the 3 will start for us: Osman, Yak, Saha...

I'm betting yes, 2 of the 3 above will get the nod. And therein lies the problem.

Not rocket science:
Howard
Neville Jags Distin Baines
Coleman Fella Rodwell Pienaar
Cahill
Beckford

Run that line-up out and I'll be pleased whatever the outcome.
Norman Merrill
14   Posted 10/12/2010 at 15:43:40

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If Sky news are correct, then there are doubts over Pienaar, Heitinga and the Saha, for Wigan match.
Andrew Conroy
15   Posted 10/12/2010 at 16:19:07

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Norman #14, I've got doubts over Heitinga and Saha for every match.

I agree with the Beckford-to-start posts. But it's not enough that Moyes just plays Beckford though; he has to play him in a formation that works to his strengths. If he's up front on his own I can see him having a frustrating afternoon chasing shadows and being hauled off after an hour.

It really is vital that Rodders and Felli force Moyes' hand tomorrow and put in a performance that makes Heitinga and Arteta up their games.
Rob Lyons
16   Posted 10/12/2010 at 17:05:57

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I am feeling very positive that someone really soon is going to get a pasting from us. I predict that tomorrow we will win 3-0 and Beckford will get on the score sheet. I think Moyes will go with the Yak and Beckford in a 4-4-2.....

But then maybe I need to take some more pills and wash them down with a big Stella!!!
Ged Simpson
17   Posted 10/12/2010 at 17:24:46

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Was speaking to a wise blue earlier.

He wondered why is Yak no longer playing when he seemed to be really up for it.

Sale agreed in Jan ? Terms....keep him fit ?

Good business ?
Gavin Ramejkis
18   Posted 10/12/2010 at 17:43:00

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Andrew, if Beckford is played without a target man he'll do nothing as he's not that type of player.

Ged, if true I hope the ginger misery has a replacement in mind or we'll be left with Balsa man and Beckford.
Alex Kociuba
19   Posted 10/12/2010 at 17:53:50

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Perhaps we need to get Yak fit in order TO sell him in January! Based on absolutely nothing, I have suspected the same scenario may apply to Arteta.
Martin Handley
20   Posted 10/12/2010 at 20:00:04

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Has everybody forgot that James Vaughan is back and actually matchfit? Now Beckford and Vaughany upfront ? there's a mouthwatering prospect.

As for Johnny Rotten being injured... great ? at least we won't have to look at his miserable kipper on the bench. Also, as a few people have already posted, let's have a look at this kid Gueye; Wigan is the perfect game for him to be let loose.

Dick Fearon
21   Posted 10/12/2010 at 21:16:58

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Anthony (#4): We may not know which Everton will turn up but we know without a shadow of a doubt that Moyes will play his usual cast-in-stone negatively cautious 4-5-1. Far too late, when we are desperately trying to rescue a point, he might, just might, play a second striker. That scenario has been played out so repetitively often, it does not take a genius to predict it will be the same this time.

I used to be in awe of Davy's footballing brain but the past few years have shown him to be devoid of any imagination or fortitude. After so many failures, one would think it surely was time to try something different to that blasted lone-striker tactic.

To believe, as does Mark (#3), that Osman is the missing link demonstrates just how far our ambitions have dropped.
Brian Garside
22   Posted 11/12/2010 at 00:08:38

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Firstly: Thank God Arteta is suspended. He´s been terrible and DM does not dare to drop him.

Secondly: The Carsley role no longer exists. Carsley no longer gets a game for Brum ? can we at EFC not understand that the game has moved on?

So Robert's positioning of Fellaini is as neanderthal as DM´s thinking. To play without Cahill who is not only the one who is scoring (playing from his most suited position), but even brings spirit and drive to the team which apparently is a quality missing in in most of his team mates.

Remember how Joe Royle got us going and you will understand. The football will follow.

Jon Cox
23   Posted 11/12/2010 at 13:13:17

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I agree with Martin (19)

Beckford up front with Vaughan, pace to burn.

There's nothing wrong with resting Cahill and trying something different. He could always replace Someone like Rodwell if in dire need in the second half.

Since it's looking like Pienaar could have an injury then what a great time to have a look at Gueye. If not what was the point in buying him.
Jonathan Flack
24   Posted 11/12/2010 at 13:47:22

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I always find it interesting to look at the rival forums before an Everton game. I like to see what other fans say about our club. This is from a Wigan forum. It did make me laugh, I can also picture it.

Everton are a team that has been struggling to score, just like West Ham were before playing us, so I'm going for a 3 nil win to Everton. I hate this fixture with a passion. I'm lumping Everton into the "Teams we will never beat while under Martinez's tutelage" category (along with Bolton, Fulham and Stoke). Cahill at just 5'10" can leap like a frigging Salmon and could out jump our entire defence even if we stacked them on one another's shoulders. And he will, his goal will be a header from a set piece. You know he's there, you know what he's going to do, yet somehow we will be unable to stop him. Beckford has been struggling for goals, so no doubt he will score. Rodwell will probably score as well and the headlines will be about him and a forthcoming 20 million pound January bid from United.

I'm really sorry about posting such negative tripe, but the entire thought of this fixture makes my skin crawl, having to endure Moyes waving his arms in celebration at another Cahill headed goal while Cahill himself celebrates by boxing with the corner flag. The whole thing is a damn cliche, and for that reason, I'm out!
Rob Murphy
25   Posted 11/12/2010 at 13:58:26

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Here's my tuppence worth:

1. Tim Cahill is the first name on the teamsheet.

2. We simply MUST win today.
David Kenrick
26   Posted 11/12/2010 at 14:29:06

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Like Man U, we have only won away once this season, but we've only lost twice, and in terms of away goals conceded we are only bettered by Chelsea and City. 8 points from 8 away matches - v.good. All we need to do now is win our home matches!!!
Tom Bowers
27   Posted 11/12/2010 at 20:59:44

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Well... it was deja vu yet again with another drawn game against a Wigan team who could easily have stolen the points in the end. Missed opportunities cost us and less-than-effective displays by some players contributed again.

The inconsistency is there for all too see. Baines could do little of his attacking today as Wigan had a plan to stop him knowing Everton's ploy to use the aerial threats of Cahill, Fellaini & Saha.

Saha is very disappointing. Should have scored with his right foot but opted for a tame left-foot effort instead. Pienaar also ballooned one over from a good position. Cahill was unlucky with one header but should have scored in the first minute when poor ball control let him down.

Everyone knows the problems but we have to expect that the Management has no solutions as this squad just isn't good enough. January 1st may offer some hope. Coleman was excellent though and Howard saved us at the end.

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