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How Are Your Tethers?

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There's no denying he's made us far better than we were, on the whole he's bought well with limited resources and on paper (and on our day) our team is pretty good but the negativity with which he sends them out sometimes beggars belief.

I suspect the mantra in the dressing room is go out and do not lose as opposed to go out and win. Its now pretty evident that he's instilled this to the degree where the players are so hesitant to play to their natural strengths when attacking, that they plainly can't gel. Sometimes they seem frightened to attack or even more simply just fuckin shoot. It seems to me that they have inherited his Calvinistic restraint and have to exercise caution at all costs, "Oh no, it won't do to win games with lots of goals, one nil will be sufficient".

If you are a flair player this attitude must effect your confidence immensely. How can you create a bit of magic if always in the back of your mind you are terrified to take a risk and fearful to take some sort of creative responsibility because above all else you are expected to defend first.

This attitude simply has to change if we are to attain any form of success, even if the success is merely nicer football to watch. Ideally I suppose it should be Kenwright that goes and someone with a few bob and some integrity to come in his place but to be honest, having witnessed todays debacle, I'd happily welcome a Quatari King with a dubious human rights record.

Having said all this, I still think that Moyes has the ability to take us closer to the greatness we all crave but he needs greater resources and perhaps a change of staff to reverse the culture of negativity that is obviously prevailing at the club. Attack-minded coaches would be a good first step, attack-minded midfielders the second.

A small new broom perhaps to begin with but if that doesn't get rid of the cobwebs then we should get the biggest Hoover we can find and clean the whole place out because ? as far as tethers go, I'm getting pretty close to the end of mine.


Ste Blundell, London     Posted 11/12/2010 at 19:32:38

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Brian Waring
1   Posted 11/12/2010 at 22:29:51

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Ste, Moyes is the cause of the negativity at the club, so we should get that broom, and start with the cause.
Daniel Johnson
2   Posted 11/12/2010 at 22:30:06

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You can coach all you want but it's the Manager who gives the talks, buys the players, and sets up the team.

When we were shite, "let's not get beat" was a fine tactic... but, now we have improved, this ethos doesn't gel anymore. The quality and standard of the squad has improved but so must the management and tactics.

There is no creativity, no different way of thinking. Wigan were there for the taking but, not only did we fail to pull the trigger, the gun wasn't fucking loaded in the first place.

The players seem unhappy, stiffled and lacking in confidence. They need to jump out of the defensive shell Moyes has cocooned them all in.

Moyes has finally assembled his chess set only to find he can't fucking play chess.
Tony Christian
3   Posted 11/12/2010 at 22:32:19

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The problem with Moyes is that he is so predictable. Give or take Saha or Beckford and injuries / suspensions, I can pretty much tell you his starting line-up for the next five games.

I have always felt that Moyes was tactically naive and always felt that he was easily out-foxed by most managers; however, nobody can deny that he has given back this club some dignity.

Moyes has constantly competed with one hand tied behind his back and it would be outrageous for us to seek his sacking for these reasons alone. All I want is for Mr Moyes to adapt to the fact that he is predictable and for him to utilise what is a fairly decent squad of players. Wake up, Davey, and prove all us doubters wrong.

Rob Hollis
4   Posted 11/12/2010 at 22:54:50

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It's like when Marcus Bent played for us. He gave everything and within his limits we could not ask for more.

One day, the strength of the squad had overtaken him and it was goodbye but a genuine 'thanks and well done.'

Our Manager now has players available aspire to the top four of five, but the tactical nous required is a step too far. He has to go. The walls are tumbling down...
Alex Kociuba
5   Posted 11/12/2010 at 23:41:44

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Good analogy Rob, you're dead right.
Trevor Lynes
6   Posted 11/12/2010 at 23:38:54

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All the posts on here are negative about DM but what about the players??? I do not agree that we have a side who are capable of a top 6 place... the defence is consistently better than the attack and we do not have a striker of any worth. Saha is the most talented but he is past it... the Yak has very little mobility and Beckford is as raw as Vaughan. We do not have good enough players!!!

Arteta plays too deep and is just making short, safe passes that do not hurt the opposition. DM has no-one to push for a start when players are patently off form. Most other clubs have decent benches... we have players who are just back from injury or untried youngsters.

Our best chance of picking up points seem to be away from home where our negative play can stifle opposition teams and perhaps we can nick a goal. DM I'm afraid has a very weak hand with which to survive and that's about all we can hope for with the squad we have.

Pienaar looks like he is going (although he plays his heart out every week); Anichebe looks like following him out the door. Heitinga was a very poor buy, as was Bily, so what are we really left with? No emerging youngsters in the forseeable future and no money to bring in some exciting new blood.

Daniel Johnson
7   Posted 11/12/2010 at 23:56:00

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@ Trevor Lynes

That's what we're left with after all 8 years of Moyes's hard work.
Brian Waring
8   Posted 11/12/2010 at 23:53:53

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Trevor, Moyes said this was the best squad ever, and capable of challenging the top 4.

Why was Arteta playing so deep? Could it be that he was told to do that by Moyes?
Ernie McAllister
9   Posted 11/12/2010 at 23:51:46

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Tony Christian ? however, nobody can deny that he has given back this club some dignity. He has also managed to create our worst record defeats and a whole host of other terrible records while in charge,

People saw through him a couple years ago. The man is predictable as you say. You can name the line-up weeks and weeks in advance. He plays everyone out of position, despite seeing them play better in their correct position.

There can be absolutely no doubt in most people's minds it's time for him to go and now before we end up in a situation no new manager can pull us out of.

The club is extremely unstable at present and getting rid of Moyes won't make it any worse. Di Matteo for me... :p
Ernie McAllister
10   Posted 12/12/2010 at 00:02:33

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Trevor Lynes ? the manager is the start and end of picking the squad, he has the responsibility of making sure these lads play to their potential. Yet, when he has a chance to play to the team's strengths, he plays every fucker out of position, demands they not loose instead of go and out win.

How many more games will it take before we get buried in the bottom 3 with no way out?

Sorry Trevor, this is his team, the buck stops right at his door... Time to get shut of him before we do end up to our necks in shite and with no way back from the rim.
Ste Blundell
11   Posted 12/12/2010 at 01:28:39

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Daniel (#2) and Tony (#3), it seems we're in agreeance, give him some more rope but make sure he realises that a rope can easily turn into a noose. Positive tactical change has to happen sharpish otherwise people will start taking cushions to the Main Stand.
Paul Rimmer
12   Posted 12/12/2010 at 05:42:42

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I disagree that he sends us out not to lose. 'Flair players' ? I think the last we had was Anders Limpar! We have signed players who keep the ball better and they have done okay, eg, Pienaar, Arteta... and we pass better than most teams.

I have respect for Moyes in turning us from relegation fodder with old players to one which usually reaches the upper echelons of the league. I think that he has taken us as far as he can go though. We have gone from playing like Wolves to more like Arsenal just without the cutting edge!

Alan Clarke
13   Posted 12/12/2010 at 06:57:45

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Apart from Wolves, every team in the league is now capable of playing prettier football. West Ham play some good stuff. Like us though, it's toothless.

This defence that Moyes has got us playing better doesn't stand up. It's the most ineffective crap I've ever watched. This isn't a midfield of Gemmill, Linderoth and Gascoigne. This is a midfield full of quality players that other teams would pay a lot of money for. So why can't Moyes get them playing?

He ran out of ideas long before this season. It's just taken a lot of people a lot of time to wake up and realise what a phoney Moyes is.

John Ford
14   Posted 12/12/2010 at 07:03:59

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I just think we need some effing forwards, or even just one! We're probably getting enough chances, despite the appearence of not knowing what to do in the opposition's penalty area. A forward who knows how to interact with the midfield, with decent movement. Ok that's wishful thinking when you've got no money but not selling Saha was a big mistake.

Failing that, he has to give Beckford a chance to learn, but the problem there are the stories that no-one actually likes the bloke. If we've no money for a striker, we should find some way to freshen our attack, maybe a Donovan-Coleman right side might help.

Paul Rimmer, you are right about us being like Arsenal without the cutting edge. At least that implies it's something which can be fixed.

Paul Rimmer
15   Posted 12/12/2010 at 07:05:48

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The midfielders pass it prettily enough but (not counting Cahill) rarely score and don't give too many assists. Better players are needed.
Dick Fearon
16   Posted 12/12/2010 at 08:33:21

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Paul Rimmer #15, if you truly believe that Cahill is not a good passer I suggest you have your eyes tested. In general though I think we overdo this joined-up stuff.

Compared to other teams we make lots more passes but half of them do not gain an inch of progress. This makes for comparitively slow attacks and allows opponents to pack the box.

An important lesson in an FA badge course is: A defender's main priority is not to win the ball but to slow down the attack. He does this by forcing the opponent to pass the ball. Course instructors award points and praise when defenders do that. Opposing coaches would be delighted at the number of passes we are forced to make.

Conversly, the attacker's priority is not to be slowed down. He can do that by keeping passes to the minimum that is required in order to penetrate the defence.

Although Moyes has complained about the number of passes we make to deliver the ball into the danger zone, he should also take into account that a tightly marked lone striker does not provide much of a target for rapid delivery. Moyes hopes we will snatch the winning goal in a low-scoring game. It worked for him when we achieved 4th spot so he sees no reason for change.
Even in that short a time span, the game has moved on with more emphasis placed on attacking football. As we have seen to our cost the team that uses the ball effectively with fewer passes often wins the game.

Ian Smith
17   Posted 12/12/2010 at 09:57:52

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I made a 340-mile round trip to the game yesterday in the hope of a repeat of the 2nd-half performance at Chelsea, where we played with no fear, but it was the same old same old.

The journey home was filled with various football phone-in?s and I was back in time for Match of the Day. The one common occurrence was the talk of how the newly promoted team, especially Blackpool are playing with a positive approach. Enjoying their football and giving it a real go. Shame the same can't be said about our boys.

What's Moyes afraid of?? Surely a positive approach can?t do any worse then we are??

Steve Guy
18   Posted 12/12/2010 at 10:14:48

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Why Saha AGAIN? I asked myself when the team was announced. Beckford deserves a start and Yakubu has to be a better bet than Saha.... Christ, at the moment I'M a better bet than Saha.

If Moyes doesn't think they're good enough, then he should have sold Pienaar in the summer and got a better striker in. Instead he made the fatal statement of saying it was his best ever squad. Clearly Bollocks.

0-0 at home to Wigan is a disgrace. I notice even the threads on the OS are up in arms too.

Chris Keightley
19   Posted 12/12/2010 at 10:35:23

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Piss-poor result based upon piss-poor strikers... every pound, shilling and pence needs to be put into finding a couple of strikers.
Andrew McGreavy
20   Posted 12/12/2010 at 10:55:35

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@ Ernie @ 10

Hit the exact problem, he does not want to loose and he has forgotten we need to win, he is way too negative, he has lost his way, he has well and truly been found out.

Moyes has served us well, he has had millions out of the club in wages; do the honourable thing, Dave, and resign... you've had enough money out of our club already!!!
Paul Rimmer
21   Posted 12/12/2010 at 11:51:57

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Dick, I meant that Cahill scores more than the others. I agree he's a decent passer. We are overplaying but we created quite a lot of chances yesterday without the composure to finish them. Nevertheless, our play is slow... we have to wait for Baines to join the attack before we can get a decent cross in!
Michael Coffey
22   Posted 12/12/2010 at 12:05:55

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It's the parallells between 9 years of Moyes and 8 years of Bingham & Lee that strike me.

Bingham took over a team in 1973 that had finished 17th, and Lee left a team in 1981 he steered to 19th. In that period we had one 3rd place, two 4ths, a Milk Cup Final and two FA Semis. One player won England caps, and some excellent players came through the youth scheme.

The difference is that at times in that stretch we played some exhilarating football.

For me, it's the Seventies all over again. But with a worse soundtrack.
Charles King
23   Posted 12/12/2010 at 12:19:49

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Wonder if Seamus looks at Blackpool and wonders "what am I doing here?"
Chris Sillett
24   Posted 12/12/2010 at 13:02:12

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Despite leaving the match yesterday fuming about the result, after calming down and thinking about the performance, I thought we played 'ok' and were unlucky not to score, Cahill's header on another day goes in, Beckford's offside goal is given, and Fellaini's header in the first half should have at least troubled the keeper.

The biggest annoyance for me was the decision to start Saha. Travelling to the game, me and my mates were all in agreement that it would be a joke to carry on starting him but, lo and behold, on arriving at the ground, it's announced that the man with no league goal in 9 month's is playing.

January is a HUGE month for us now, Kenwright and Moyes have to break their balls to get some striker's in or I will be storming that Goodison boardroom myself!

Michael Kenrick
25   Posted 12/12/2010 at 18:31:38

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I guess I shouldn't go down this path but I simply don't understand this desperate faith in the January transfer window as being our lifeline.

1) When has Moyes ever willingly purchased a good player in the January window that has changed our season? (I can only think of Donovan... and he was not "purchased".) Moyes hates the January window.

2) Does anyone really think we have the money to buy the magical striker you're dreaming about?

3) If the answer to (2) is sell to buy, have you noticed how difficult it is to sell your players when that is your motivation? We can only sell if someone wants to buy. And we only get what they are prepared to pay ? not necessarilly what we think they're worth... or we end up not selling.

Get real, people: nothing meaningful is likely to go down in January. I'm sorry.
Ged Simpson
26   Posted 12/12/2010 at 18:39:18

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This confuses me all the time. Why are we so broke?

I am sure there have been hundreds of expanations I have missed but can anyone explain this?

Jay Harris
27   Posted 12/12/2010 at 18:59:29

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Ged I can answer that in one sentence.

Bill Kenwright and his lack of vision.

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