I know there'll be a lot of similar posts now highlighting Moyes's failings but I think his worst trait is his stubborness and the fact he doesn't seem willing to change his philosophy or tactics.
There are those that still defend Moyes, stating the fact he has turned it round before so he can do it again. I don't understand this ? what has he done this season that would make you think that? Every week he sends out the same old team and the same old tactics. We should sing "It's the same old team ..."
Everyone who watched the limp cup final display in 2009 saw that Osman is not a right winger and HIbbert is not good enough. Fast-forward to the start of this season and who does Moyes start with on the right side?
Everyone can see Saha is not up to it now. Yakubu was returning to some kind of form and Beckford is the only one who looks like scoring ? yet who does Moyes pick as his starting striker?
Everyone can see things need freshening up, and in some games we might need to change from the rigid 4-5-1, yet does Moyes ever do this?
It's like the more things need to change, the more the stubborn bastard digs his heels in. A friend of mine spoke to Moyes when he was on a scouting mission at Macclesfield before the cup tie. Moyes very disrespectfully said "the scousers were a hard bunch to please." Like we should be pleased and grateful for the crap he serves up.
Nothing's changed and nothing will as long as Moyes is in charge. The analogy I use is it's like watching a fly trying to get out of a shut window. If at first you don't succeed, try doing the same tired old tactic over and over again.
Alan Clarke, Posted 12/12/2010 at 11:27:38
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1 Posted 12/12/2010 at 16:15:41
2 Posted 12/12/2010 at 16:30:13
Good old Albert Einstein
3 Posted 12/12/2010 at 16:28:34
There seems to be more players wanting to leave than I have known for a long time and I don't think I can blame them. Ok, they are on ridiculous wages but, if I was some of them, I would be thinking "I put in a lot more work than Saha, Heitinga, Yak, Arteta, etc etc, and I am on half their wages." Things need a big shake up and soon.
The £30,000 rejected by Vic is laughable. He should never have been offered it and it is unbelievable he turned it down. Those on the big money are not pulling their weight (Cahill excluded). There is no invention on the pitch. Bily can't get a game and yet seems to know where the net is.
There seems to be a lack of 'exciting' youth coming through, ones that are worth the entrance fee alone. The tactics employed are poor at best. The substitutions are always bang on time and always like for like, unless we are 3 - 0 down and he throws on 3 forwards in the last 2 minutes, usually employing one on the wings.
David Moyes needs to re-invent himself here. He was known for his pioneering approach when he first arrived, but now he is becoming famous for his predictability. Always one up top, same names, week-in, week-out... no experiments or daring formations.
Too many players out of position. Every midfielder we have is predominantly a centre-midfield player (unless you count Coleman who is a right back, or Victor Anigreedy who is a really shit forward).
No width. No belief. No fucker can score a bastard goal. Saha ain't scored a goal in the league since the start of the year and is an automatic pick!!!
Where is Bill now. He seems to have disappeared into a fog of his own blue-tinted fart cloud. No doubt we will see his fat face lighting up our screens if we manage to beat the mighty Scunthorpe in the cup, though I wouldn't put money on that happening either!!!
Well, Bill, you can come out now and tell us how proud you are that you backed your manager to the princely sum of £1m in the summer, obviously from the sales of Ruddy and Jutkiewicz.
The place stinks at the moment and I am not referring to Bill's anal antics... I am a big Moyes fan but this year, the year when the red shite are living up to their billing, I just think, "Fuck it! Fuck the fucking lot of it you, fucking clowns."
4 Posted 12/12/2010 at 16:53:21
Yesterday's failure to make attacking substitutions gives the impression that Moyes has lost his appetite, like he simply doesn't care any more. I've defended Moyes for years, and I'll still say I've been right to most of, if not all of, the time... but this current run of form (particularly at home) is bad enough to make it hard to defend him.
But what's worse than anything is the point you highlight that he doesn't seem to want to try to do anything about it at all. Yesterday, Yakubu stayed on the bench, Gueye has barely made an appearance all season, and Bilyaletdinov, who's capable of pulling a great goal from nowhere, didn't come on either.
I still can't quite get over the fact that we only made two substitutions in a home game we dominated but never took the lead in. Even the set pieces were absolutely amateur, with all the players simply running in a straight line for the same ball, with no staggering or criss-crossing or anything remotely thoughtful going on.
Having said all that, was Beckford onside? First glance seemed offside, the only replay I saw on the feed seemed onside and MotD amazingly (although perhaps not, given the standard of coverage we've come to expect) didn't show it.
5 Posted 12/12/2010 at 18:05:44
General Sir Antony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett.
6 Posted 12/12/2010 at 19:17:03
Everyone is now calling it insanity awarding Arteta with a £75k p/w wage buff. I can´t recall the same people saying the same thing back when he signed. Had he left being offered a lower deal, it still would have come back on the board and manager. A lose/lose situation for Moyes there.
Let´s face it, we all thought Arteta was worth it on the back of some amazing performances. The fact that he is now a whole other player was not what anyone saw coming.
Apart from that, I say the original poster nails it although he is not really offering any groundbreaking new insight. Everyone with half a mind can see Moyes´s poor tactics and stubborn mindset.
7 Posted 12/12/2010 at 19:39:43
Thumbs up mate. Many a true word said in jest.
8 Posted 12/12/2010 at 20:43:09
19 goal attempts vs 3, Al Habsi playing out of his skin, Cahill hitting the post, Baines all over the left wing, need I go on?
That could easily have been 3 or 4-0, despite the lack of sharpness from Saha.
Sure I wanted Beckford to start after Chelsea but it's not like we didn't make any chances - it was hardly a typical, stale 0-0.
Off the pitch, investment is needed and we badly need a firing centre forward but yesterday's performance was surely hardly the flat experience it's best made out to have been?
I would be more worried if we weren't making chances but I thought Rodwell, Coleman and Fellaini in particular showed promise. Keep playing like that and the goals will come.
Now go on and shoot me down...
9 Posted 12/12/2010 at 21:14:07
Indeed it could have been 3 or 4, in fact it should have been. But it wasn´t and that´s the story of this season. At one point it stops being bad luck. That point has been passed by some length.
Saha started, he made one goal attempt in 60 minutes in a game we dominated possesionwise. Very poor decision to play him in the first place.
Wigan were really poor and any team with a slight potency to their attacking play would indeed have scored at least 4. We didn´t score one, where does that leave us?
10 Posted 12/12/2010 at 21:50:00
11 Posted 12/12/2010 at 21:47:40
I've played up front and scored goals where the keeper had no chance before I'd even kicked it. I've seen lots of teams score goals where the keeper had no chance. There is something up at everton if we've only won 3 games this season. Moyes' stubborness is one of the main reasons we're in such a bad position.
12 Posted 12/12/2010 at 22:54:11
Yes, we play decent football until the final third... but so does every other team. We lack class finishers at a consistent level and only Cahill with his head gives us hope. Saha is past his best as it also appears Yak is too as Moyes won't play him.
Forget Anichebe, Vaughan and Beckford ? they will only play bit parts. Pienaar seems to have his mind elsewhere, as does Arteta. Moyes doesn't have the answers.
Yes, this seems negative commentary but, after hoping for an improved season this year by getting over all the injuries from last season, we have been even worse so far this season, with no signs we are going to break out of the slump ? and by that I mean winning games at least at home.
If there are no significant moves come January 1st, then expect a relegation battle because a lot of poorer teams from last season are getting better results than Everton this season.
13 Posted 12/12/2010 at 23:21:55
14 Posted 13/12/2010 at 00:12:56
15 Posted 13/12/2010 at 01:25:05
16 Posted 13/12/2010 at 02:00:34
Now Osman is fit again, he can slip seamlessly back into his old position, and Moyes will drop Coleman.
17 Posted 13/12/2010 at 02:51:16
Sure, managers have their favourites and he can see them train everyday but, at the end of the day, it comes down to how the team plays on match day ? and we see just as much of that as he does.
We all know the issues with form, position etc but one thing above nearly all else is pissing me off.
I want to see Moyes make his substitutions in a proactive way at least occasionally. Over his career, he makes substitutions either to react to something the other manager has done or in a way that everyone expects (e.g withouth fail waiting until 70 or 80 mins on the dot).
How many times have we gone a goal down in the past and Moyes asks a player to warm up only to stand there pondering as the match slips away.
18 Posted 13/12/2010 at 04:04:44
The rot has set in and fingers can be pointed in all directions, if blame is to be apportioned for our current predicament.
One of the most trouble stats I've come across is simply that in the past three calendar years (since 1st Jan 2008) we have spent £35m on transfer fees and recouped over £40m. There has been negative investment in the playing staff over the past few years, yet we wonder why we are where we are.
Where is the money from merchandising, match day tickets, sponsorship, TV rights and prizes going? Since we have a small playing staff on a wage budget as tight as a ducks arse, it surely can't all be going on players' salaries?
Something is rotten and fetid at Goodison and I think it's about time we starting asking what it is.
19 Posted 13/12/2010 at 04:31:17
Where has all the money gone? Clubs get more TV money per year, we have new sponsorship deals, services are being outsourced... and yet we are still completely skint.
I don't give a shit if he thinks he is an Everton fan. Any true fan wouldn't slowly let the club wither on the vine. This is the Premier League... sure as fans we hang on to tradition but, at the end of the day, success is so closely linked to money now that we will without a doubt eventually take the drop if this continues.
20 Posted 13/12/2010 at 08:27:42
21 Posted 13/12/2010 at 09:37:14
Dave Richman (#5) Like your Blackadder Goes Forth analogy. You should check out the film "Little Big Man" with Dustin Hoffman if you enjoy this sort of humour about Military authority. There's a great line where Custer's officers are trying to talk him out of attcking at Little Big Horn. Defending his deceision to attack in the same old way he says "Ah but this time I intend to attack them without mercy", the major retorts "General, that's no surprise" ? to which Custer says, "Nonsense, nothing is more surprising than the attack without mercy."
The sad thing is, I can see Moyes & Round expounding this kind of warped phychology.
Perhaps we'll defend against Man Shitty (can't see us attacking)... without mercy!
22 Posted 13/12/2010 at 10:23:04
23 Posted 13/12/2010 at 09:56:06
On the other hand, we have conceded 12 goals in 9 games ? 3 of them against United. So we are really conceding on average 1 goal a game at home.
I believe that home ground advantage still applies, even in this day and age, therefore take a chance ? play 2 strikers at home!
By the way, Alan Clarke @11 ? you are not the Alan Clarke that played for Leeds in the 60s are you? If so, do you fancy a coaching position at Everton?
24 Posted 13/12/2010 at 11:31:11
However, whilst you personally may "ENJOY my Everton" there are many of us who find the current mediocrity far from enjoyable.
25 Posted 13/12/2010 at 13:04:23
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