Yes, we need a striker who can finish that gilt-edged chance and score 20 plus a season, but if you look at the matches we have drawn and even lost, see how many times we have hit the post, the bar or some keeper has done an outstanding save. If and mean if those chances had gone the other way, we would be in the top 6.
So is it just a question of bad luck? Yes, people will say get rid of David Moyes, but who else could we afford? Over the last 9 years, have we moved on or have we gone in a complete circle and back to where we started with Walter Smith?
Mike Hargreaves, Posted 13/12/2010 at 01:12:58
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1 Posted 13/12/2010 at 08:02:13
Managers of relegation threatened teams always bemoan their lack of good luck. I remember Mike Walker always talking about how unlucky we were. Teams near the top will say you make your own luck.
2 Posted 13/12/2010 at 08:09:37
3 Posted 13/12/2010 at 08:41:36
4 Posted 13/12/2010 at 08:44:40
5 Posted 13/12/2010 at 08:59:16
Owen Coyle or even Martin O'Neill (who I dislike immensely) would add that attacking intent we need.
Moyes probably has lots of time with the board to get it right but the faith of the majority of fans is wearing thin. I hope he is brave against City and goes with Beckford and Vaughan up top against a team falling apart from the insides ? but we will get Saha alongside Cahill and the nightmare will go on.
6 Posted 13/12/2010 at 09:15:32
The players haven't performed, but it is Moyes that must accept the responsibility. Good luck, as they call, it more often happens to good sides. We are not one now.
7 Posted 13/12/2010 at 09:12:54
We are just "unlucky".
It's also been pointed out that in an alternative/parallel universe we would have won the Wigan game comfortably and now sit top of the Premier League 12 points clear of our nearest rivals with two games in hand.
Of course Messi following his £100/euro transfer to us from Barca isn't happy at not getting many games. Clearly when we're playing this well how could we possibly accomodate him in the team at the moment?
Or in the real world... are we just being in Denial?
8 Posted 13/12/2010 at 09:35:47
Stoke and Blackpool had a perfectly legitimate goals ruled out against us. I make that 4 points we could have lost.
9 Posted 13/12/2010 at 09:37:27
Hang on a minute ... this denial stuff makes you feel better !
10 Posted 13/12/2010 at 09:37:34
Fact: We lack pace
Fact: we lack creativity
Fact: we lack ruthlessness
Fact: we lack ambition
Fact: we are too scared to shoot
Fact: the players "talk a good one" after another crap result
Fact: Moyes is out of his depth
Fact: The atmoshere at Goodison is crap
Fact: Moyes is scared of being an attacking force, he likes teams to be defensive
Fact: We are not going to be a top 10 team
Fact: We play like a Championship team
Fact: WE ARE NOT UNLUCKY
11 Posted 13/12/2010 at 11:22:30
12 Posted 13/12/2010 at 11:48:42
13 Posted 13/12/2010 at 12:19:23
No it's not - we've got problems that Moyes doesn't seem to be willing or able to address. But we've still been very unlucky this season.
It's not about absolutes is it?
14 Posted 13/12/2010 at 12:57:35
We are never the sort of side who will score shitloads of goals, if some of our shots this season had been 3 inches to the right or left we'd be 6th right now.
in 2004-05 we often won by a single goal and finished 4th... were we REALLY playing any better then than we are now? I seem to recall many Toffeewebbers moaning in the seasons we made the top 5 about how dull and scrappy we were, couldn't string any passes together etc. and yet we were beating the poor sides 1-0 or 2-1 or whatever.
A striker who isn't woefully inept would have as well, though.
15 Posted 13/12/2010 at 13:05:19
16 Posted 13/12/2010 at 13:13:39
17 Posted 13/12/2010 at 13:14:25
Saha can and has been a tremendous player at times but we're carrying him at the moment.
To achieve change you must try something different!
18 Posted 13/12/2010 at 13:47:27
19 Posted 13/12/2010 at 13:58:43
We are not making as many clear chances as we think...we lack creativity because Arteta is playing too DEEP......when did we last score a clear three goal win ???? If you watch every premier game each week we are one of the poorest for entertainment value....teams like Blackpool, WBA and Wolves take part in more entertaining games and miss lots more chances than we do !!!!
Every relegation threatened side can point to bad luck excuses and what if's.....
20 Posted 13/12/2010 at 14:01:25
I believe that we are an incredibly unlucky team ? throughout my time not just this season. It really gets on my tits when people say ?you create your own luck? ? no you fucking don?t!! Luck is luck ? if you could create your own luck, Ronaldo would not spend hours practicing his free kicks, he would practice his good luck skills and then, instead of bending it/smashing it or whatever he does so regularly, he would trip over his own ego on his run up, land on his arse and, whilst everyone was falling about pissing themselves, the ball, having been sandwiched between his ugly face and the ground, would bounce up over the prostrate wall, ricochet off the refs heel, hit the post, come back and hit the goalie on the back (see Rob Green this Saturday) and trickle over line ? he would do this ten or twelve times a year due to his intensive training on his luck skills.
I also hate the other bollocks that is said about luck that is ?luck (whether created by yourselves or otherwise is not mentioned) evens itself out over the season? ? again, no it fucking does not!! If it does please show me (something I think TW should do more of instead of just reminding us of how negative and/or shite DM is).
From my recent reckoning, all other things being equal, we have been robbed of four points ? Sunderland ? offside goal for them (not even close). Wigan ? Beckford onside (level at least according to Goals on Sunday ? also see Spurs goal v Chelsea on Sunday ? Defoe much more ?offside? than Beckford but allowed to go on)
I would class these matters as bad luck due to poor (piss-poor sometimes) officiating. the question of fact of whether the player was offside can be established via replays (it?s just the powers that be won?t allow this) and so the bad luck is down to a poor, if honest, decision.
Then there is the ?could go either way decisions? ? eg Tuncay'sfoul on Bainsey ? impossible even with replays to say whether it was a foul or not.
I feel that the former ? provable decisions such as offside goals ? hold more weight in the scales of luck balancing out over the season; however, for the sake of discussion at the moment we should be a minimum of two points better off as we should have beaten Sunderland and Wigan but drawn with Stoke ? not much admittedly but we would have had two more confidence boosting wins which could make all the difference to our general play etc etc.
What I would like is for TW to monitor such examples of luck over the season to prove one way or another if luck does even itself out over the season (at least in Everton?s case) ? I know there is a bookies web site that sort of does this but I think a running tally over the season would be a good (additional) talking point.
21 Posted 13/12/2010 at 14:27:33
You`re right when you say missed chances shouldn't be construed as bad luck, but nobody is missing more chances than us.
I watched those "entertainers" Spurs and Chelsea yesterday and besides the two goals and the missed penalty I don't remember a shot on target in this "pulsating" match, chances were few and far between. I don't remember either of them creating as much against us as we did against them ? that goes for nearly every team we have played.
Putting your chances away soon earns you a reputation for being entertaining. We aint doing it, but it has nothing to do with bad luck.
22 Posted 13/12/2010 at 15:16:03
Was the great save near the end Howard had to make, unlucky for Wigan? No, it was a great save.
23 Posted 13/12/2010 at 15:40:52
In all the Premier League this season so far, only Chelsea, Arsenal & Spurs have had MORE shots on goal than we have (185).
Only Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Man Utd, Bolton and Liverpool have had more shots on target than us (75).
Yet only Wigan, West Ham, Fulham, Birmingham, wolves and Aston Villa have scored LESS goals than we have (18).
So we clearly aren't negative, but whether you claim this is down to luck I suppose is up to you. I certainly think we have been extremely unlucky in a number of games this season and by no means have the points tally we deserve, but hey you don't always get what you deserve, and that's the beauty of football.
24 Posted 13/12/2010 at 15:51:41
We have scored from 9.7% of our shots on goal (only better than Fulham, West ham & Wigan,
And we have scored from 24% of our shots on target only better than West Ham and Wigan ? Bolton for example have had a similar numbr of shots on target but scored from 36% of them and Man Utd have had LESS shots on target than us but scored from nearly 42% of them!
25 Posted 13/12/2010 at 16:40:16
26 Posted 13/12/2010 at 17:07:53
In that case I'm backing Bigfoot to emerge from the wilderness, hitchhike his way from the Pacific Northwest to England, and then go on to win the World Darts Championship before spiralling into a drink and drugs fuelled depression, culminating in the crazy sasquatch committing career suicide by disembowelling Piers Morgan, live on tv, during another episode of his emotionally enthralling 'Life Stories'.
Pretty sure I'd get better odds than you.
27 Posted 13/12/2010 at 19:42:13
28 Posted 13/12/2010 at 21:50:33
For crying out loud, can people please watch these teams play football before they comment.
Blackpool may be media darlings right now but they are utter horsehit. They don't play good football. They aren't ridiculously attacking.
What they have is a bit of spirit and a team who are playing without pressure or expectation... things tend to roll for you when you play like that. Their winner this weekend was a classic example. A mishit shot when there was nothing on because they didn't have bodies forward... bobbled through to Campbell who got a flick and it went in.
The difference? We don't take the shot, and if we did our striker has pulled out wide looking for a percentage pass.
We will finish comfortably ahead of all three teams mentioned in the passage quoted above.
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