How are these chaps getting on?
Gueye in particular was tipped by Moyes as being a secret weapon but I haven't heard a dicky bird about him sice Brentford.
Silva is about the only forward we haven't given a go.
Craig Taylor, Posted 14/12/2010 at 08:51:56
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1 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:31:33
2 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:33:44
And how, in the modern game, can a manger be sold a couple of duffers? I can't contemplate the notion you imply ? that the manager does not at least see new players in action a few times minimum before they sign ? especially given the number of non-Everton games Moyes is said to watch every week.
But then again, if the manager puts more weight on the amount of 'hard work' a player gets through in training rather than how he performs in matches... well I guess all bets are off.
3 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:30:35
1. They can't be doing too well if they are strikers at EFC who can't break into the team given our appalling goal-scoring record.
2. It's indicative of DM's lack of risk-taking in giving them a try.
Can't understand it myself - especially the Gueye character - surely worth a go. However, if the Yak or Beckford are behind Saha then I'm afraid all logic goes down the pan.
4 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:20:21
5 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:28:09
6 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:36:56
7 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:12:39
That in itself must lead to agents approaching the club to sell the next wonderkid. And we also all know that many managers have been taken in by it. Why not Moyes? Especially given his desperation to get numbers in.
I am not saying he hadn't seen all the players but seriously, were there no other youngsters around that could have made a more immediate impression on the squad for about the same cost? I believe that, if the scouting network across Europe was good enough, we would have been able to get a couple of youngsters with a chance of breaking through this season.
Craig @ 4, are you sure about that? How often did he have Ibrahim Saeed, Rodrigo and perhaps even Bily scouted. I would be happy to wager that these were pushed to him by agents. I didn't include Li Tie or Li Wie Feng in that as that was undoubtedly down to the Kejian deal.
Anyone that thinks that agents don't push players into clubs is niave, especially when a club is in the financial situation Everton is in.
SAF bought Bebe for how much without seeing him play?
8 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:26:34
It's like saying "Well, it's not actually Moyes's fault that he ends up with a number of duffers each season... he has these up-&-coming wonderkids pushed his way by unscrupulous agents and is powerless to stop the paperwork going through lickety split." (... Okay, I was slipping back into sarcasm at the end there... but hopefully you will get the point.)
The whole concept is to me utterly preposterous and, if even true in one single case (Rodrigo? Krøldrup?? Van der Meyde???), my widely recognized and immense esteem for our wonderful manager would plumb new and potentially unfathomable depths. (Okay, now that last bit ? definitely sarcasm ? So bite me!)
9 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:35:39
Jaysus, I just read that again and realized the problem is my naivety... or is it?
Er, no, I don't think so. Although you have perhaps come up with the absolute best apologist excuse for the Kenwright/Moyes Axis and its abject failure to produce the goods on the field this season ? despite Moyes having "the best squad of players at Everton since the 80s".
James... what planet are you on???
10 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:40:35
11 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:35:34
All I'm saying is that when you are in Everton's situation, agents take advantage.
This season for example, I would have much rather signed Petrov on a free than Gueye but we missed out. Agents are very clever and will definitely know Moyes's buying of youth policy and I believe, taken advantage.
You won't hear me defending this seasons signings and I can put my two penneth worth on what we should do with tactics and team selections (believe me I have my outspoken thoughts) but at the end of the day, I, like many of us don't know what goes on ? at best we can try and take educated guesses based on the information we are privvy to and opinion.
12 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:45:44
What I'm saying is that he has failed in the market, hasn't been able to get his scouted targets, and I think he has been duped by a couple of agents, which has failed us.
I'm not excusing, I'm saying it's not acceptable.
13 Posted 14/12/2010 at 18:01:42
The idea that he would bring in any old Johnny Sixpence on the say-so of an agent (with the possible exception of his brother!), without being 100% convinced just goes against everything we do know about Moyes the man.
Wouldn't you agree?
14 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:01:45
In my opinion, there is no point in signing ANY player and then not giving them a try. Unless maybe they are 16 or 17. I want to see these lads in action, even if it's just the odd five minutes, what harm can it do?
15 Posted 14/12/2010 at 23:17:39
As for not getting Petrov, think wages and signing on fee would have been too high.
16 Posted 15/12/2010 at 00:48:14
Obviously he's a kid and it'll take time to adjust, but I would suggest that is the reason why we got him for circa £1M rather than Europe's elite clambering after him making his fee a lot more.
Unfortunately, we know DM isn't a fan of throwing kids in ? just look at Coleman, he was deserving of a run well before the last few weeks.
My opinion would be to send Gueye out on loan for a few months, toughen him up a bit, and give him some much needed game time.
17 Posted 15/12/2010 at 02:57:29
I watched both train and play or their summer tour down under. Silva looked like he needed plenty of work but was a good size.
Gueye looked very promising, was hoping to see him a bit this year
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