In response to a post saying that anti-Moyes supporters need to give a viable solution rather than just sack him without any plans:
Who (realistically) would you like to see as the next Everton manager ? in ONE word (or two):
Matthew Lovekin, Posted 14/12/2010 at 14:20:31
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1 Posted 14/12/2010 at 14:57:47
The only one that comes close is O'Neill and he consistently finished below Moyes while spending more money.
I believe this has been coming for 2 years.
You cannot consistently maintain a top six finish while other teams are spending multi millions.
The only thing I would criticise Moyes for is taking the money and stubbornly feeling that he could still take us places when he should have told Kenwright to stick it.
I am disappointes that all the posts are about Moyes out and Kenwright is getting away with his bullshit again.
2 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:03:48
I'll have to be vague and say Other.
3 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:04:40
4 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:06:22
1. Roberto Di Matteo
2. Owen Coyle
3. Slaven Billic
5 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:13:09
Coyle and Di Matteo, are both raw managers, both had there teams playing us off the park, I will bet none of there players earns a third of what Arteta does a week, look at Coyle loosing 1-0 down to 10 men, what does he do ATTACK!!! and they win 2-1, if that was Moyes he would have settled at just keeping it 1-0.
I'll chuck in Paul Lambert at Norwich, he did wonders at Colchester (with no budget at all) and he has got Norwich promoted and high in the championship, playing attacking football.
6 Posted 14/12/2010 at 14:52:04
I`m amazed by the amount of people who scream "I wont accept mediocrity any longer " then advocate one or more of the names on this list as Moyes`s succesor.
That may be a suitable list of candidates for the Blackburn vacancy but FFS boys, We are Everton!
7 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:15:34
And as with post No 1, what are they going to do when they get here? After the initial couple of games feel good factor, he will be stuck with the exact players with no money to buy new ones.
Apart from the wages why would anyone want to manage us? I am supprised Moyes didn't ask for more money, his first conditions of a new contract to Bill was probably a piss-take but the dope accepted it. Other managers would have walked quite some time ago. (Moyes doesn't have to now, probably one of the safest jobs in the league.)
8 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:29:09
2/ Martin ONeill
3/ Owen Coyle
9 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:21:39
Martin Jol - proven in premier and shafted by Spurs
Manuel Pellegrini - unproven in prem and doesnt speak English but does get his team playing some really entertaining football
Dave Jones - formerly of this parish, has prem experience and does get his teams playing decent football
Of your list, the football I find most attractive to watch is
Ian Holloway - no ifs or buts just gets on with it
Roberto Di Matteo - his team knows where the net is
Owen Coyle - turned Bolton from that alehouse side Allardyce created into a reasonable side
never rated O'Neill, he's always inherited sides and claimed the glory, winning the Scottish Pub League is no great shakes either it only ever goes two ways
10 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:20:19
Holloway is the classic example, yes Blackpool are doing well this season, but they could collapse like Hull did - remember when Phil Brown was the best thing since sliced bread 2 years ago? Or what about Aidy Boothroyd when he brought Watford up? Everyone was raving about him - Where is he now!?
Without funds the manager is limited, be it Moyes or someone else. And if that list is a accurate assessment of who is available, we are better of sticking with Moyes IMO.
11 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:28:16
We cannot hit a consistent scoring run, can't win games because of this, and Scunthorpe, though probably the worst team at home, have got nothing to lose by going all out against a powder-puff Everton team.
So, you never know, Mr Moyes may resign, 8 January 2011, leaving Mr Kenwright with the absolute obvious replacement, Phil Neville, with Alan Stubbs as assistant.
12 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:42:40
13 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:55:16
14 Posted 14/12/2010 at 15:53:36
It went a bit downhill after leaving England job (sacked over nothing to do with football matters). He's had time out of the game but when he's on Sky Sports as a panelist, speaks very well ? imagine him working Baines, Rodwell etc on the raining pitch instead of Davey and some fella called Round... Enough said!
15 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:05:18
16 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:06:33
17 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:08:25
My three choices in order of preference would be:
1. Martin Jol
2. Owen Coyle
3. Martin O'Neill
18 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:17:43
19 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:23:03
20 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:21:43
However I do like the fact that these young managers want to attack.
Di Matteo - just needs to gain some more experiance in the Prem, but from the list above he would be my number 1.
21 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:30:33
I agree with Tony Williams (7) what on earth has Bilic achieved in club management, let alone the EPL, to warrant the number of mentions he gets here, I could see him being a high profile disaster.
22 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:12:49
To argue the merits or otherwise of an unending list of prospective replacements is pointless. We don't actually know how any of them would fare & will only find out if & when Moyes is replaced. What is clear is that whatever Moyes is doing seems to be ineffective & the case for his being replaced has more to do with the risk to the club of continuing as we are. I can't say I've any confidence that our inept Board are capable of decisive action & if they do eventually act it may well be ill-considered & untimely. If Moyes goes it should be early in the New Year or during the summer break, unless relegated before the season's end, of course.
23 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:43:17
screwed us for enough money already hasn't he?
24 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:50:49
Martin ONeill 4/1
Slaven Bilic 7/1
Steve McClaren 8/1
Alex McLeish 8/1
Sven Goran Eriksson 10/1
Walter Smith 12/1
Sam Allardyce 14/1
Steve Bruce 14/1
Mark Hughes 14/1
Roy Keane 16/1
Alan Shearer 16/1
Alan Curbishley 20/1
Glenn Hoddle 20/1
Paul Ince 33/1
Terry Venables 33/1
Peter Reid 50/1
Graeme Souness 50/1
Andy Gray 100/1
Gary Lineker 100/1
25 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:56:00
McClaren - forgetting england stint a sucessfull manager and knows how to win things dutch league, ufea, carling cup i think?
Owen Coyle - as stated above turned bolton from yard dogs to flowing footy in 11 months and improving there players no end.
Martin Jol - Decent a spurs but no sure how he'd be without much cash so not sure about his commitment.
Should be an interesting summer
26 Posted 14/12/2010 at 16:56:57
For me, if he was ever still available (IF Moyes was to go) then Jol would be my first choice but i think it would come down to money and funds available for him if he came and we haven't got any... so i think that one would be doubtful as well.
But I also wouldn't mind going down the Moyes route again and looking at one of the up-and-coming managers from the lower leagues, the likes of Lambert, Billy Davies, O'Driscoll, Lee Clark, Poyet, Eddie Howe or even have Alan Irvine back!
A lot of them managers above have taken on clubs that were faltering, didn't or don't have a lot of cash, and they're working wonders with them and getting them playing good, decent football. Soon enough, one of those will be pushing for a chance to manage in the top league and it's down to clubs and chairmen to be brave enough to take them on and give them that opportunity ? and why should it not be us?
27 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:14:55
28 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:21:45
There are plenty of other options outside of the premiership.
29 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:23:43
30 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:39:02
31 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:38:39
32 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:54:02
33 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:57:43
34 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:39:07
"I've looked at the Everton squad and I'll get them playing with verve and belief.
We might not win every game but we won't play like frightened sheep or roll over for anyone.
I'll turn Goodison into a lions den, we'll put the fear of God in all and sundry.
I'll ship out any player who sulks or gets too big for his boots and play young hungry lads from the youth set up.
My youth team will ONLY have lads in chomping at the bit to get in the first team.
I will be brave enough to wheel and deal in the transfer market and the fans will trust me, because my judgement is right.
I will work with the history and glory of Everton football Club and not be frightened by it.
NIL SATIS NISI OPTIMUM"
35 Posted 14/12/2010 at 17:47:32
Chris Sillett, not sure if you remember Dave Jones at Southampton before the kiddie fiddling lies ruined it for him, good team, he handed it over to Glenn Hoddle to come up here for the court case which was rightly thrown out straight away. Who do you think beat Cardiff for the promotion slot? Holloway's Blackpool and it was close.
36 Posted 14/12/2010 at 18:00:07
37 Posted 14/12/2010 at 18:28:04
- How did Bolton play Everton off the park? We enjoyed a humongous slice of possession and wasted several chances in that match. Bolton played a largely physical and industrious game which I think would be backed up by the statistics.
- Bolton were level in the game when they had a man sent off and only nicked a goal (immediately after Blackburn had equalised) via route one- a much derided style of football on this site.
- West Brom play a slow game in a similar way to everton in which they control possession comfortably without a massive threat. Don't really see how there is evidence for Di Matteo changing the luck of the strikers and their profligacy
38 Posted 14/12/2010 at 18:44:30
in that order
39 Posted 14/12/2010 at 19:14:55
Many folk slag McClaren but He took Boro to league cup win and Uefa final in a lot less than 9 years. Then very impressive in Holland. I just want Moyes out most will do. Any manager who will attack, and nost waste 9million on a snail like Billy.
40 Posted 14/12/2010 at 19:28:27
I wouldn't actively get rid of Moyes for any of them. It's only two years since we were all panicking about keeping hold of Moyes.
Yes, Moyes made a mistake signing Bily, but show me a manager who hasn't made an expensive mistake? Thankfully Moyes doesn't make that many.
Our current bad run is clouding the judgement of many, in regards to the overall job Moyes has done and is doing. It used to be that Moyes was slagged off for 'hoofball'. Remember those threads? He's changed our style of play to a more anesthetically pleasing style - the problem is there is no end product, because the strikers we possess aren't up to the job. Okay then. So give the manager time and money (hopefully!) in January to change that! After all Moyes has done in the last 4 years (6th, 5th, 5th, 8th, a FA cup final, a league cup semi final, lengthy runs in Europe - he deserves more time and a bit of respect. Everyone slags off Newcastle and Blackburn for their sackings - can you imagine everyone's reaction if - and it will never happen - Moyes was sacked? People would think we have taken not just the biscuit but the a whole shop full of them! Yes, other people's opinions are of no concern to us I know, but the perception of Moyes is that, overall, he has done and is doing a fantastic job at Everton. I honestly think no-one else could do what he does, and if he went, with no obvious replacement out there of his calibre, we would be in a relegation fight season on season, similar to West Ham.
41 Posted 14/12/2010 at 19:33:48
Dipsy and noo noo as backup
I am noy going to treat this seriously people are deluded. The current problem is we have no money.
42 Posted 14/12/2010 at 19:21:23
John v/d Brom
But it probably will be Phil Neville with Leon Osman and Tony Hibbert as assistants.
43 Posted 14/12/2010 at 19:39:38
- Naming a first eleven containing the best 11 or at least something close.
- Being able to make subs before the 70th minute when needed.
- Be better to adress the issues that are clear as the day to most supporters.
- Maybe bring some actual width into our gameplan. Everton have not played with real width since Kanchelskis and it makes us one dimensional.
- To make Everton ready to compete in the premier league from the first game of the season. Instead of starting the season in November/December
- Not to play defenders in midfield continously
- Assembling at least one striker of decent capacity/will/potential
- Actually advicing midfielders to help out offensively instead of purely focussing on keeping the shape.
- An ability to shake things up in bad periods.
Sure, i believe some of these names and numerous others could do that.
44 Posted 14/12/2010 at 19:59:10
He retired through a so-called injury then went and played in Croatia, i remember the lovely penalty he gave away against West Ham in one of his last games.
I'll bet my house that not one of those managers could get Everton 4th place EVER.
45 Posted 14/12/2010 at 19:49:58
The problem, is that Moyes is tactically inept, and has proved it this season, and for me, he has proved it most seasons.
He keeps playing Saha, who has been woeful, thats a tactical decision.
He played a striker returning from injury, on the right, and then on the left wings, when there was better players suited to play there, thats a tactical decision.
He kept playing Heitinga, who was playing shite, whilst Rodwell sat on the bench, thats a tactical decision.
He was playing Arteta so deep, it was unbelievable, that was a tactical decision.
He has everyone back defending corners, so when the ball gets cleared, it comes right back at us, because everyone is still in the penalty box, that a tactical decision.
One tactical decision he could make, is to just fucking go for it, especially at home.
At the end of the day, Moyes said this was the best squad ever, and was good enough to challenge the top 4.
46 Posted 14/12/2010 at 20:04:03
I'd play Vaughan ? he cannot be worse.
47 Posted 14/12/2010 at 20:08:19
Seriously, I know we don't have any money but I would rather have BK than 99% of the new owners coming into footy.
48 Posted 14/12/2010 at 20:24:13
49 Posted 14/12/2010 at 20:04:31
How did he buy Krøldrup, Beattie, AJ, Yakubu, Bily, Fellaini, Jags and everyone else on a zero budget? It's just bollocks. The man has spent the best part of £80 Million. It's limited. It's restrictive. It's not zero.
As for a future manager, I know I'm going to be pilloried but I'd love to see Dave Watson managing Everton. Not enough experience? That's what they said about Howard Kendall.
50 Posted 14/12/2010 at 20:29:59
51 Posted 14/12/2010 at 20:18:38
52 Posted 14/12/2010 at 20:45:34
53 Posted 14/12/2010 at 21:19:01
Hughton - inexperienced
McClaren - WANK
Bilic - Possibly
Lambert - Not great in lower league
O'Neill - I sincerely hope not
Poyet - Interesting
Coyle - wouldn't be interested
Holloway - Would AMAZING
Di Matteo - Great choice
Martinez - Doing a great job
Grayson - NOPE
Phil Neville - DEFO worth a shot
54 Posted 14/12/2010 at 21:27:29
55 Posted 14/12/2010 at 21:58:20
56 Posted 14/12/2010 at 21:45:38
This equates to a NET SPEND of £37 Million over the time he has been here, obviously less if you factor in the correct figure for Rooney.
I don't understand why people can't seem to grasp this concept. The amount spent on players at our club is DIRECTLY GOVERNED by the amount we bring in through player sales. Saying a manager has spent X amount (Gross) over their tenure tells you exactly NOTHING about whether they have been well supported by the board, as it doesn't take into consideration money brought in from sales.
The figures on here tally with my own records as regards player transfers by the way, I think last time I checked, the average NET spend per season was about £4M. Others on here have quoted £3M; so even if some amounts are incorrect, we are definitely in the £3 - £5 Million bracket. And a net spend of that amount season on season, for a club of our stature, is a DISGRACE.
57 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:06:50
58 Posted 14/12/2010 at 21:56:33
Anaesthetically pleasing? What, as in the football's so labored and boring you're happy to doze off halfway through it ? You're definitely right there, unless you meant to say 'aesthetically pleasing' in which case you're just pissing up the wrong tree I'm afraid.
59 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:01:39
60 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:08:11
I like this guy, he's clever and he is positive and he has that indefinable air of being a "winner" about him.
Realistically, it has to be a rookie, The fans wouldn't accept an Allardyce or a Hughton and nobody with any history of success would touch us with a bargepole.
61 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:11:37
What the fuck's that all about?
62 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:11:07
63 Posted 14/12/2010 at 21:48:48
Dont forget to take off.
So thats around 17m spent, may of missed off a few players, but 17m in the last years isnt much compared to other clubs.
How people can mention Di Matteo, give it a couple of seasons and West Brom will be back in the championship....
Looking at next Mondays game, lets play 4-6-0 like we did at City last season... We won 0-2, none of our strikers are scoring so seems like a decent idea to me ?
64 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:30:40
65 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:28:20
66 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:31:24
67 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:48:21
John Collins was doing a very good job at Hibs, playing good football till he stood up to the chairman and left (that rules him out then!).
68 Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:40:52
Consider the follwing:
'Joe Bloggs has spent £200 Million on players during his 10 year spell at the club'. The question is, 'Has the manager been well backed by the board?'. The answer is 'I DON'T KNOW!'.
You don't know because you are not being told whether or not the manager has had to sell £200M worth of players to fund transfers (not well supported by the board as net spend is zero), or whether he has only had to raise £100M through player sales (well supported by the board to the tune of £100M).
I'm not sure how it qualifies as voodoo accounting; after all, we do the same things ourselve in our daily lives. The amount we spend on stuff relates directly to the amount we earn.
By the way, I didn't make any comment on whether Moyes had spent wisely ? I think by and large he has, though I agree that at this moment in time, Bily looks like an expensive mistake.
69 Posted 14/12/2010 at 23:19:06
If we ended up with Sam Allardyce that may be the end of the line for me as an Evertonian. I just don't think I could take that.
70 Posted 14/12/2010 at 23:34:45
Peter Fearon, I'll agree that Moyes has had some money to spend but John Maxwell is getting at the real point. He has not been backed by the board when compared to his peers.
Why do you think he has received all the plaudits over the years. He has run this club on an oily rag compared to most establishe premier league clubs.
If we got someone in like Jol, O'Neil or Coyle I'm sure there would be an up turn. But how long would it last. How many big name managers would be happy working under such limitations. How long until they suffer the same fate as Moyes and go stale?
71 Posted 14/12/2010 at 23:46:00
Hughton (why is he the new flavour of the month?????)
McClaren (no, failing in Germany)
Bilic (decent manager but doubt the fans would accept him after his dubious playing days at the club)
Lambert (promising, good attitude)
O'Neill (no, just no)
Poyet (my personal choice, getting Brighton playign some cracking stuff in the 1st division with AVERAGE players)
Coyle (excellent, knew he would be good the first time I heard him speak on getting the Burnley job, however I doubt he'd leave Bolton as he has affinity to the club)
Holloway (no way, chequered managerial history at best)
Di Matteo (not bad and I wouldn't mind him in truth)
Martinez (not impressing me at Wigan)
Grayson (leeds through and through, good manager but like Coyle I doubt he'd leave)
(no, could be another Southgate)
72 Posted 14/12/2010 at 23:49:36
A net spend of £4M or so per year will eventually catch up with you.
73 Posted 14/12/2010 at 23:51:06
Jol, you think Moyes is tactically inept? well Jol is even worse. Don't get how this guy has this great reputation so I guess it must be a media creation. Done absolutely nothing of note in Germany or at Ajax either.
Pellegrini, is now managing at Malaga who have their own oil rich sheikh.
Dave Jones, he may be an Evertonian but hes an average manager. Sorry but its the truth.
Hoddle, an interesting suggestion, would be a massive gamble but if it worked out then the football would be more pleasing on the eye. Personally I wouldn't take the gamble though.
Why hasn't anyone mentioned Sean O'Driscoll? Fantastic job hes doing at Doncaster and playing nice football to boot. I get tired of the same old suggestions when talking of possible managerial candidates, people never think outside the box.
Eddie Howe perhaps? Doing good work at Bournemouth and is an Evertonian. Might be too soon for him but he would be good to have as a possible assistant manager.
As for Moyes, I agree he needs to go, have always had my doubts about him which is a shame because I loved the guy when he first took the job. He had balls then, seem to remember a 4-3 AT Derby! Couldn't imagine that now though.
74 Posted 15/12/2010 at 00:02:27
Jürgen Klinsmann - Maybe he will bring fellow Californian L.D. with him.
Vanderlei Luxemburgo - I need to see felow Brasilian take on Everton before we end up in League Two.
75 Posted 15/12/2010 at 01:33:54
HODDLE, HODDLE, HODDLE!
76 Posted 15/12/2010 at 02:08:14
77 Posted 15/12/2010 at 02:31:49
God I miss tele-tubbies.
I need a noo noo as well, and I support him 100% for next Everton manager.
How many drugs do you think the creators of that show have taken?
78 Posted 15/12/2010 at 05:03:57
1) Can attract top players ? got Ruud Gullit to sign for Chelsea (before Abramovich);
2) Had 60% win rate when manager of England ? only bettered by Sir Alf Ramsey;
3) Got unfashionable Swindon Town to the Premier League;
4) Has been praised by Johan Cruyff, Diego Maradona and Michel Platini for his skill ? Dennis Bergkamp idolised him.
5) And last of all, Arsene Wenger said Hoddle was the most gifted player he had ever worked with ? follow that, Davey 'Negative' Moyes... and side-kick ? what have you ever done, Round???
79 Posted 15/12/2010 at 09:02:35
I agree with you but I think the rest of the football world puts us in the Blackburn Rovers, Bolton Wanderers etc bracket.
Matthew's list is full of mediocre managers.
A Spanish manager for me. La Liga is by far and away the best league in the world.Makes the Premier League look like a pub league. Watch Barcelona and you will find it difficult to watch our league of overpaid ordinary footballers.
I want the 'School of Science' back!
80 Posted 15/12/2010 at 09:22:22
81 Posted 15/12/2010 at 09:36:01
"That feller at Inter Milan will be looking for a job soon."
Yeah, and his missus has just moved back to the Wirral!
My choice would be Hoddle!
Holloway??? a 3 month wonder! No thanks!
82 Posted 15/12/2010 at 09:45:37
Marcus 73 - you must've missed my earlier post.
83 Posted 15/12/2010 at 12:37:24
84 Posted 15/12/2010 at 13:05:46
85 Posted 15/12/2010 at 15:57:02
86 Posted 15/12/2010 at 16:28:25
87 Posted 15/12/2010 at 19:31:15
Norwegian, coaching FC København (Copenhagen). He's taking over the Norwegian National team in the summer of 2011, however, I think he would choose Premier League if an offer was made to him. He would have to be bought off from the Norwegian team, ca 3-4 hundred thousand pounds, I suppose.
He's young, offensive minded, and is successful. And he even knows the other side. He died on the field, his heart stopped. He was lucky, and came back (with help from doctors and a heart starter in his chest).
I think it would be nice having a coach who knows the other side, offensive in his thinking, good leader, sucessfull. Fluent in English as well.
And..he's not italian, French or Spanish. An advantage if you ask me..
88 Posted 15/12/2010 at 20:18:49
As for Martin O'Neil he raised his middle finger to Villa and had a paddy as he had to sell and had no money to buy. So do you think he's gonna go for a club in a far worse position?
My two choices are:
Steve McLaren ? Yep the "Wolly with the brolly" but apart from the way the England mercenary spice boy twats stitched him up he's a great manager. Good with Middlesbrough and FC Twente plus he has slowly overcome his bad start in Germany. His reputation is repaired so he's worth a punt. He's used to modest budgets and his experience in Europe would have exposed him to things Moyes could only dream off and I'm not talking Bratwurst.
Owen Coyle ? Got Burnley promoted (no mean feat) and off to a good start, plus hes steadily transformed Bolton (from the Megson quagmire) into a ballsy team who goes for the throat. In fact Bolton under Megson actually resembles us right now.
Holloway, Hughton and Di Matteo resemble bigger risks but then again Moyes himself was a massive gamble.
89 Posted 16/12/2010 at 02:53:47
90 Posted 17/12/2010 at 00:22:50
91 Posted 17/12/2010 at 12:09:22
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