I have heard from my father's aunty's dog that Donovan is definitely coming in January.
If true, what are our expectations, given that:
1. Pienaar may be off.
2. We are currently heading into a depression.
3. No-one can score goals except Tiger Tim and he'll be off.
4. Any other deals are likely to be loans too.
Will it be enough to give us a lift or will he get dragged into the funereal atmosphere that is currently being a Blue?
Jay Harris, Posted 14/12/2010 at 22:54:26
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1 Posted 15/12/2010 at 08:20:38
2 Posted 15/12/2010 at 09:00:28
We have the players !
The team is stale because of Moyes tactics, or lack of them.
Look through the squad, we have more than enough to compete with the teams above us.
3 Posted 15/12/2010 at 09:48:58
4 Posted 15/12/2010 at 09:55:38
Coleman, Heitinga, Distin, Baines
Donovan, Arteta, Fellaini, Piennar
And here is a puzzle for you Jay - out of the players named above who is the most likely to score from outside the box?
5 Posted 15/12/2010 at 10:20:38
6 Posted 15/12/2010 at 10:50:13
Replying to Laurie #4 I guess you mean Bilyaletdinov and I agree.
7 Posted 15/12/2010 at 11:15:06
Maybe the players should actually stand up and earn their astronomical wages for a change?
As stated so many times before, our passing is better our overall game is better but we have no-one to put the ball in the end. Nothing to do with tactics but everything to do with having no money for that special player who can keep his head (and his body free from injury) and score.
Chances are there, that actually comes from tactics you know, we are unfortunately missing them with alarming regularity.
8 Posted 15/12/2010 at 11:18:40
At least Cahill going will force Moyes to change things a bit, something we desperately need!!
9 Posted 15/12/2010 at 11:23:26
See Einstien's quote on insanity.
The game evolves and decent managers adapt, ours doesn't.
We are a one-trick pony with regards the way we play, other managers know exactly how Moyes sets up to play and they adapt accordingly.
10 Posted 15/12/2010 at 11:26:07
11 Posted 15/12/2010 at 11:54:30
12 Posted 15/12/2010 at 11:50:12
Kenwright has strangled our club, and there's no light at the end of the tunnel regarding investment. And if you think we play poor football now, just wait till Pienaar jumps ship!
13 Posted 15/12/2010 at 12:08:23
Quote: "This is the best squad of players I have had."
Which to me means: Better than the squads that got us into Europe etc....
His negative tactics and baffling player formations are the problem.
14 Posted 15/12/2010 at 12:16:16
Our Goalkeeper ain't a safe pair of hands;
Our defence ain't defending well;
Our midfield ain't breaking up opposition play, offering an outlet for the defence and supplying the strikers with killer balls;
And our strikers ain't striking.
And I'm sure Mr Moyes ain't telling them that's what they should be doing...
15 Posted 15/12/2010 at 12:29:16
A lot of what I read on here states that we need a striker and all will be well.
You and I know that that ain't the case; you stated yourself in as many words that the whole team is not playing as a unit.
That is Moyes's remit, he is the manager and he sets them out to play in a certain way.
When it all goes tits up, he hasn't got a fucking clue what to do next, mate.
16 Posted 15/12/2010 at 11:51:27
Didn't Einstein quote say something about doing things consistently and expecting a different outcome. Having picked the same team and tactics that went on a good streak last season we are now having different results, E = mc² ? that logic then?
17 Posted 15/12/2010 at 12:43:57
18 Posted 15/12/2010 at 12:38:07
It ain't Moyes who misses sitters, or drop clangers in goal.
They get sent out to do a job they just ain't doing.
19 Posted 15/12/2010 at 12:51:45
20 Posted 15/12/2010 at 12:57:36
21 Posted 15/12/2010 at 12:58:25
What did people complain about in here the end of last season?
22 Posted 15/12/2010 at 13:08:50
23 Posted 15/12/2010 at 13:12:29
I have watched us now, for as long as I can remember and under Moyes I actually can't recall 2 out-n-out wingers or 2 forwards starting a game at home, god forbid ? all on the pitch at the same time.
Moyes has known for seasons now that we lack pace and has done fuck all about it!! Our fastest player by streets and the only forward we have that poses a threat, Beckford, never gets a fucking game! I swear to god, if I turn up on Boxing Day and and Saha starts, I'm walking out and I'm done with us until Moyes is gone!
The only good news I want now is that Owen Coyle is our new manager! Bolton were shite before he arrived and now they play some cracking stuff! Pacier wingers in Petrov, who is rapid and was FUCKING FREE, by the way, and 2 forwards in Davies and Elmander, it works and is easy on the eye as well!
Fuck Moyes off, tell him to take Saha, Bily with him and then maybe we will get a manager with a spine who will take action when it's needed! We have a World Cup Final centre-half in Heitinga that gets played in midfield while Jags has been shite for weeks, yet still plays... Saha can't be arsed and Beckford is chomping at the bit, Neville is a great captain but shit at footy.
Oh, and the fact that we have lost Gosling for nothing, Pienaar is about to follow, as is Anichebe ? all because we have fucking idiots who lets contracts run down to within months before they get offered anything!!! If we had sold those players at market value, we're talking £20m+ yet we are skint!! It makes me fume!!
Boxing Day team has to be Howard, Baines, Distin, Heitinga, Coleman, Pienaar, Rodwell, Cahill (if he is here... if not, then Fellaini), Anichebe, Beckford, Vaughan. It has pace and a threat and let's face it, can't do any worse than the shite currently be served up!!!
24 Posted 15/12/2010 at 13:32:21
Did you even see the game on Saturday? We did not set our stall out for a draw (such an easy cliche to quote), we were by far the better side and could have had three/four goals if our forwards could remember how to score.
25 Posted 15/12/2010 at 13:15:54
Good. Having Pienaar on the pitch is a double-edged sword. He can look good going forwards (though he often flatters to deceive) but he is defensively negligent, leaving our left flank as our greatest strength and our greatest weakness. Our most balanced performance this season was probably away vs. Birmingham, when Osman played on the left. Osman?s link play was every bit as effective as Pienaar?s and was achieved without leaving Baines over-exposed at the back.
Point 3: No-one can score goals except Tiger Tim and he'll be off.
Also good. Moyes? much derided ?tactics? seem designed to accommodate someone who?s little more than adequate as either a striker or a midfielder. Cahill?s absence might finally force Moyes to play in a way that suits the squad as a whole, rather than pander to the man with the highest global media profile.
Point 4: Any other deals are likely to be loans too.
So what? If they play as well as the likes of Arteta, Fernandes, Howard, Pienaar or Donovan did during their loan spells I?ll be more than happy.
As for point 2: We are currently heading into a depression, it depends on what you mean. If you?re talking financially, I?m not too concerned as it could bring some sanity to football finances, which, ultimately should level the playing-field somewhat. If you?re talking about the mood of the squad and of the fans plummeting, then yes, that could be a major problem.
26 Posted 15/12/2010 at 14:10:09
27 Posted 15/12/2010 at 13:53:23
28 Posted 15/12/2010 at 14:33:35
But in the summer, I can see Yak and Saha leaving and maybe see Vaughan and Anichebe stepping up.
And remember Vaughan will be a new signing! Defo give him a chance
29 Posted 15/12/2010 at 14:34:01
30 Posted 15/12/2010 at 14:47:51
And KPR, I will take a top 10 finish right now, I'd rip your arm off for tenth place! How sad is that? It kills me to say it!! Kenwright and Moyes need a fucking dig! After last season, we sign Beckford, Gueye and Silva for £2.5M, fuck me we sold Lucas Neill for nearly that amount! I'm at the end of my rope! It stinks what's happening, Tony, with these clowns in charge!!!
31 Posted 15/12/2010 at 15:01:11
I said I think Bolton will be top 10 and we'll finish above them.
its the team that needs a fuckin dig mate. Its them with the exception of Cahill and Baines that walk over that line every week and dont perform.
32 Posted 15/12/2010 at 15:20:33
33 Posted 15/12/2010 at 15:39:02
How on God's earth can Moyes be blamed for Beckford snatching at every chance, Saha deciding at 14.45 every saturday to be a passenger and 'Ol man Yak following the smell of pies like a bisto kid?
This calling for the managers head over every fucking issue is tiresome...
We're 4th, we should sack the manager to push on.
We lost the cup final, sack the manager because our right back was skinned by a better player.
Our forwards are out of form, sack the manager because they can't be arsed to make the maost of their chances.
A greedy, over-rated winger who doesn't score enough is trying to engineer a move from the club that resurrected his career, sack the manager.
A long term Injured, fringe player refuses to sign a new contract, sack the manager.
Clean sheet record breaking goal keeper mishandles a cross, sack the manager.
Change the fucking record guys.
One more thing, this Einstein thing doing the rounds... just remember that he was wrong about most things (something overlooked by people who want to prove a point inspite of evidence). In fact, in his later life he was positively discredited as a scientist. His inability to grasp quantum physics made him almost a laughing stock.
34 Posted 15/12/2010 at 16:18:49
35 Posted 15/12/2010 at 17:24:46
36 Posted 15/12/2010 at 19:26:08
37 Posted 15/12/2010 at 19:33:25
Should we blame him for getting to a cup final and finishing 4th? should he be blamed for qualifying for europe time and again? Should he be blamed for progressing not just the team but the whole club? Should he be blamed because every dickhead with a computer thinks he can do better? I thinks thats the most applicable question.
His record with second tier strikers is probably comparable to everyone else who has ever managed in the Premier league. With the exception of Shrek, what have any of the strikers he's ever signed or sold done elsewhere? In fact. I'll go you one better, he has got Bent, Johnson, Radsinski, Rooney, Saha (since Fulham) and Yakubu playing better than any other manager (including the red faced one) ever has.
Are we seriously going to have EVERY fucking thread in the mailbag HIJACKED by the anti-Moyes brigade??? It's the same whining posts from the same people on every thread.
38 Posted 15/12/2010 at 21:20:20
Also, can you explain carefully how Moyes improved Yakubu as he already had the second best scoring record in the EPL prior to joining us and you claim he had Rooney playing better than Alex Ferguson has, hmmm... interesting.
Take a breath, count to ten and repeat in your own head slowly ..........."other people can have a viewpoint different from me."
39 Posted 15/12/2010 at 21:34:18
If you remember, Yakubu scored in fits and starts and Rooney did play better under Moyes. He did to teams what Messi does. He has turned into the best English player of his generation but he still looked different gravy with us.
I accept that people have a different opinion to myself. I've read these different opinions and nothing else here because the same people turn every thread into an anti-Moyes rant. Isn't it time for a fresh topic?
40 Posted 15/12/2010 at 23:35:58
We'll have to disagree on Rooney, before he left he'd actually started doing fuck all for us, since joining Man U you might notice he's got a few trophies and titles. I'm not raving about him as I think he has blown the talent he had on offer but is still capable of more than most we have.
41 Posted 15/12/2010 at 23:43:13
He told me that, for 12 cans of Rabbit flavour chunks & a box of Bonio, he could get me a date with that Scouse honey Rebecca off the X-Factor!
Well, one trip down the Asda & £5.34 later, I'm still waiting, so I wouldn't believe a word that dog tell's you.
Rumour has it the lying little mutt is now working at Goodison in the PR dept. Well when I get hold of him, I'm going to grind him up, put him in a pie & feed him to the Yak!
42 Posted 16/12/2010 at 01:44:47
43 Posted 16/12/2010 at 09:19:49
It's actually refreshing to hear from somebody who isn't spouting the TW mandate of Moyes out because Einstein says so. Bring on the yay sayers I say because the niegh sayers...
Incidentally, is Rooney not currently in the worst slump in form of his career? I'd actually say he was playing better in any given month when he was with us.
44 Posted 16/12/2010 at 10:06:38
45 Posted 16/12/2010 at 10:08:04
46 Posted 16/12/2010 at 10:14:42
You infer bullshit media speculation is a direct indication of Moyes's approach. Don't believe everything you read in the press, Anthony.
47 Posted 16/12/2010 at 10:11:12
This lad is good enough to play for Russia according to Dick Advocaat (who I am lead to believe is quite a good football coach). Which leads me to suspect we are playing him out of position.
48 Posted 16/12/2010 at 11:02:22
49 Posted 16/12/2010 at 11:30:11
My point was/is that it ain't Moyes who is missing sitters, telling the world how fantastic he is, or writing newspaper bullshit. But fuck it, let's sack him an get some one-minute wonder in instead.
50 Posted 16/12/2010 at 12:35:07
These are players brought in and being picked by Moyes and playing his "style" of football. The responsibilty stops at Moyes door. As for the tired defence of Moyes of "who could do any better", how the fuck do we know unless we find out?
I agree with a lot of posters who say a lot of Evertonians are locked into this fear syndrome of what life would be like without him. To say we would automatically be worse off is ridiculous because we will never know unless it happens.
51 Posted 16/12/2010 at 12:55:39
What was you opinion of Moyes at the end of last season, when the same team playing the 'Moyes way' , the way every manager in the league knew we were going to play, was beaten just twice in 24 games? How come, when everybody knew what they were gonna get?
Don't say we've been sussed, everybody knows how to beat us now... we are getting beat cos we are playing shit, we ain't scoring and the defence is leaking.
No manager since Kendall the 1st time round has put smiles on the faces of Evertonians with such regularity and if it had been up to you lot, Kendall wouldn't have been around cos before the good times the bad times were far worse than they are now...
52 Posted 16/12/2010 at 17:06:49
Whatever the midfield selections, we have to expect a bigger contribution goalwise now that Timmie will be absent. That, however, is unlikely and therefore it lies with what we have up front with even more pressure on Becks, Yaks, Saha and Big Vic and again they have to be more clinical than they have been so far. Defensively we have been as sound as most other teams but scoring only 18 goals in 17 games is sub-standard and the reason why we languish near the bottom.Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to Moyes and the Boys.
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