I never usually listen to TalkSport, prefering to use the analoogy of TalkShite.
But for some reason I had it on whilst driving home tonight and Stan Collymoor made a statement that struck home. Whilst talking about Spurs he stated: "Harry's philosophy is a simple one, buy the best player you can afford for the position you want and play him there."
Wish Moyes had the same mentality...
Dave Lynch, Posted 19/12/2010 at 19:05:59
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1 Posted 20/12/2010 at 06:48:50
2 Posted 20/12/2010 at 07:08:46
3 Posted 20/12/2010 at 07:06:48
Yesterday he said something he's said many times on the radio, he said it was "very strange that a club like Everton, who had spent more time in the top flight than anyone, can't get big money backers".
It something we all think is strange, Stan.
He is auctually the one pundit that will criticise the useless Kenwright.
4 Posted 20/12/2010 at 08:00:53
Then he went to talk on about Everton and Liverpool to back up the point. They even went onto say that Moyes's hand is turned when we go down by a goal and he is almost forced to do something. Whilst agreeing that neither set of fans pretty much enjoys what is on offer.
5 Posted 20/12/2010 at 08:04:18
6 Posted 20/12/2010 at 08:35:58
The fact that we have a good record against City, in recent seasons, will just be in the supporters minds, and not the players, as we really need a result.
Let's hope that we show some real aggression, and whoever is playing up front, breaks this horrible drought in front of goal. And start giving the fans our Xmas prezzies early.
7 Posted 20/12/2010 at 08:47:51
Now I wouldn?t say that Routledge is particularly talented but he is a winger and performs well there.
8 Posted 20/12/2010 at 08:41:10
Rodwell is apparently a centre half, we're covered for that position, Heitinga allegedly a right back in his Athletico Madrid time, actually listed as defender/defensive midfielder on Wiki. Fellaini would be the one to push up front in an emergency for obvious reasons, Jags was also a versatile play anywhere kind of player in his Sheffield Untied days. Moyes does like a versatile player.
And I'm right there with Aiden Doyle at (#2)... Watch what happens if they don't get 4th this year.
9 Posted 20/12/2010 at 09:10:43
He's in the market for 2-3 loan signings in Jan, does he really deserve that for what he has done over the years. He should be getting between £10-15M to spend. Without saying it, you could tell he was having a dig at the Everton board.
Secondly he believes there will be a parting of ways either end of this season or next season where DM feels he has reached he can no longer take the club any forward.
He ended by saying a top ten finish is still on the cards for us this season.
10 Posted 20/12/2010 at 09:13:44
11 Posted 20/12/2010 at 09:16:32
I still think Coleman would be better suited to playing right back where, similar to Baines, he can come from deep. Lescott is the exception as he played better at left back.
This utility player nonsense is exactly that. As a player, you find more consistency in your performances and gain more confidence from playing regularly in your best position.
12 Posted 20/12/2010 at 09:26:35
We consistently finished above Spurs over the past five or so seasons and the difference is they have pushed on, invested and bought well. Part of me would just love Kenright to walk in one morning after some 'Christmas Carol' type revelation the night before and start forging cheques left, right and centre.
The other part of me just accepts the inevitable slog that being an Evertonian has become!
13 Posted 20/12/2010 at 10:03:14
14 Posted 20/12/2010 at 10:18:56
Moyes is beligerent, blinkered and overly-cautious to a ridiculous degree, sure, but he is undoubtedly the right sort of manager for a perenially skint team like ours.
Moyes has always reminded me of Brian Clough in many ways, nabbing unfashionable players on the cheap and refusing to see the wood for the trees a lot of the time. My point is there are positives and negatives to a fella like DM but I do think he is the right man for the job.
15 Posted 20/12/2010 at 10:45:59
Spurs fans beware...
16 Posted 20/12/2010 at 10:43:54
17 Posted 20/12/2010 at 10:55:19
18 Posted 20/12/2010 at 10:49:47
Jags was tried in mid and right back in desperate times as was Heitinga (no Rodwell/Fellaini, Hibbert, Neville). Moyes probably left him in a bit too long but, since he has come back from the World Cup, he has been fluttering his lashes in a 'come and get me, anybody' way and playing shite so I reckon he's not worth the risk at centre half. Same with Coleman at right back. He's lucky not to have given two or three penalties away this season.
Baines, his defending is probably the weakest element of his game. A lot of the goals we have conceeded this season have come down that side.
You say utility, I say versatile ? We don't have strength in depth so versatility is the key.
19 Posted 20/12/2010 at 11:34:36
His teams do play attacking football so you have to also admire that. I can't see his way of operating working at a club like Everton. When you look at the paltry investment we have had, it's a miracle we're still in this league.
20 Posted 20/12/2010 at 11:38:14
Most topics are shamelessly designed to wind people up so that they call in, wait 40 minutes on a premium rate line whilst the presenter, especially Alan Brazil, talks bollocks, then get cut off if the point is not to their liking! Last week, Adrian Durham commented that the fans of Man Utd, Liverpool and Newcastle all want their owners out whilst Everton, Spurs and Villa love their owners "with a passion"!
TalkShite more like! But I can't ignore it! I hate my weakness!
21 Posted 20/12/2010 at 11:46:39
But back to melted rubber face man; I think because Moyes has got to squeeze every £-worth of value from transfers he goes for players and he invariably goes for players that can play in a number of positions ? hence no specialist wide players: jack of all trades and all that.
22 Posted 20/12/2010 at 12:20:51
23 Posted 20/12/2010 at 12:21:41
24 Posted 20/12/2010 at 12:49:37
As above with Bale, the lad was almost out of the door until he was put on the wing due to lack of numbers. Yeah and eye for talent that fella and don't start on the Van der Vaart transfer, stinks to high Heaven that one.... allegedly.
25 Posted 20/12/2010 at 12:48:11
He inherited Modric, Lennon, Huddlestone, King, Dawson and Bale. He left Bale out for nearly a year, then stumbled on his real position through injuries ? ring any bells?
Ramos was never able to get his team on the pitch and Orrible Arry was able to step in and take the glory.
Can't argue with the fact that he plays his signings in their correct positions though. He signed a lighthouse and he plays him as a fucken lighthouse.
26 Posted 20/12/2010 at 13:05:47
27 Posted 20/12/2010 at 13:07:45
Unless we miraculously get bought out by Colonel Gaddafi or someone, then Fancy Dan managers would never prosper here.
28 Posted 20/12/2010 at 13:23:13
What's a Fancy Dan manager? ? Someone who lets a player express himself or actually encourages open attacking football?
Sorry mate, I just don't get it. Would you rather watch negative hoofball than players actually passing, dribbling etc.....
29 Posted 20/12/2010 at 13:05:07
30 Posted 20/12/2010 at 13:37:42
31 Posted 20/12/2010 at 13:53:22
32 Posted 20/12/2010 at 13:55:19
33 Posted 20/12/2010 at 13:55:24
Nothing is said about other sports except football and cricket; nothing is said about teams other than the top 4 plus Spurs... its a joke! If you are a Welsh Evertonian into rugby then you're fucked!
Anyways, that's my rant over! :-) Hope TalkSport are listening.
34 Posted 20/12/2010 at 14:02:51
Thomas (#21) ? with all due respect, doesn't Pep Guardiola actually use players from his youth academy??
It's a lot easier to do that when the players that have come through that acadamy are Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Pique (via Utd), Pedro, Bojan, Busquests, et al.
Rodwell, Coleman, Anichebe, Vaughan, Hibbert, Osman, Baxter, Wallace, Duffy don't quite compare ? although I believe most are decent players.
35 Posted 20/12/2010 at 15:46:59
36 Posted 20/12/2010 at 15:48:42
37 Posted 20/12/2010 at 17:08:28
If any of those traits described our manager we'd be delighted.
As for financially ruining clubs, nonsense. He did'nt sign the cheques
38 Posted 20/12/2010 at 18:51:54
Which possibly highlights another tactical flaw. In the 8 years that Moyes is in charge he should have been able to force a footballing ethos onto the club in such that our youth system creates players to slot into the 1st team. Top managers like Wenger, Ferguson and Huiddink do it... Spending huge sums is not sustainable, youth systems will be more important in the coming years.
39 Posted 20/12/2010 at 19:42:21
40 Posted 20/12/2010 at 22:48:41
41 Posted 20/12/2010 at 23:04:07
Buy players (often ageing) on long expensive contracts, win something, move on leaving your old club holding the baby, and watch them go bust.
Bye bye West Ham, Southanpton, Portsmouth ? hello Tottenham.
Of course he's great ? look how badly they've done after they lost him.
42 Posted 21/12/2010 at 09:10:16
43 Posted 21/12/2010 at 10:30:15
We then look at the facts and see that Moyes's teams almost always finish higher, spend less on wages and less on transfer fees.
We then look at Redknapp's transfer dealings for Spurs and see Robbie Keane for £12M, and 3 right backs (Walker, Naughton and Chimbonda) signed for a combined £12M none of whom ever play. Hardly a fautless operator....
44 Posted 22/12/2010 at 06:39:18
Bellamy is actually quite useful on the wings for listed striker.
It's playing players in their 'natural' position to keep them happy. Like their fat wages is not enough already.
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