Tim Cahill is clearly our best striker ? Should he play alone up-front?
My answer is yes and my reasons are simple. At the moment we are not getting what we need from our strikers:
- We need someone with a good attitude who is going to run their bollocks off and put their body on the line for 90 minutes.
- We need someone who will chase lost causes and put the opposition under pressure and defend from the front.
- We need someone who will compete in the air and on the floor and rough the opposition defenders up.
- We need someone who can hold the ball up and link play with the midfield.
- Most importantly, we need someone who is going to get us a goal when we need one and not waste glorious opportunities.
Let's face it, Cahill is doing our strikers' job anyway and not much more would change except he would be playing a few yards further up the pitch. It could also give Mikel Arteta the chance to step forward and play higher up the pitch and show his attacking and goal scoring qualities that we all know he's got but he is totally wasted by playing defensive mid... but that's another debate. (Isn't he back from suspension this week?)
So, Tim Cahill to be our striker for the next three games before he go's halfway around the world. Then hopefully we can get someone in the transfer window who can come and do a better job than our current strikers.
Lewis Morrison, Posted 23/12/2010 at 14:28:25
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1 Posted 23/12/2010 at 17:22:07
Have you ever considered that Cahill needs that other striker? To draw the other defenders... even perhaps feed him the ball so he can, er, set up Bainesey for a lovely finish??? (It's about making them as well as scoring them.)
As for being 100% better than Saha, Yakubu or Beckford... 100% better than nowt is still nowt!
2 Posted 23/12/2010 at 18:13:20
3 Posted 23/12/2010 at 18:26:02
4 Posted 23/12/2010 at 18:28:26
5 Posted 23/12/2010 at 18:28:56
Cahill is very effective where he is. We could move him and lose that effectiveness.
However, it could be possible that it could work, and thus give a chance to Bily or Rodwell in that att/mid role.
However, I think I must agree with Michael. I think Cahill is an attacking mid/forward not an out-and-out striker (lack of pace is one clear problem).
But yes, our strikers are gash. If we're going to start playing midfielders up front instead of strikers, I propose Rodwell. Big, strong, a decent level of pace and a good finisher. He will be benched when Mikky is back... so why not?
6 Posted 23/12/2010 at 18:34:07
As far as Beckford is concerned he simply isn't a lone striker and in his time at Leeds he was at his most lethal playing off Luciana Becchio, if he had that opportunity off a decent holding striker such as Yak, I think we'd get a handsome return from him. Cahill is better suited playing off a striker or appearing from nowhere like a salmon on set-pieces.
7 Posted 23/12/2010 at 18:40:48
I would still like to get another striker in January, maybe Robbie Keane on loan would be an option.
8 Posted 23/12/2010 at 18:46:57
I'm with Ian ? Saha's been a disgrace this season but on Monday night he looked sharp, quality and up for it. This may be becuase he was on the big screen v the billionaires, mind you.
Between the Yak, Saha and Beckford we must surely have one who we can pair up with Cahill or.....
How about 4-3-3?
Normal back line with
Arteta - Fellaini - Pienaar for now
Two of Beckford / Saha / Yak
No, that wouldn't work, would it...
I'm a twat ? ignore me....
9 Posted 23/12/2010 at 19:50:41
Play Tim on his own up front and Moyes would need to get more work out of half dozen others.
10 Posted 23/12/2010 at 19:59:59
Cahill also has no ability to beat a defender and his passing isn't great either.
The biggest problem with having Cahill as a main striker though is that he rarely scores with his feet. How many goals has he scored with his feet over the past 2 seasons? Maybe 3 or 4?
Cahill is world class at popping up in the box unmarked and scoring with a header but that really is all he has to offer in terms of goalscoring.
I believe Cahill needs to remain in the position behind the main striker. As a midfielder pushed forward Cahill can work hard to cause problems and get into the box for his headed goals.
11 Posted 23/12/2010 at 21:02:45
Dick @9: "Cahill also has no ability to beat a defender and his passing isn't great either." ? Sorry you missed the game against City the other night, because Timmy skinned a couple of defenders and went on a marauding run down the left in the second half and his passing has been first class all year.
12 Posted 23/12/2010 at 22:01:14
It sounds like Lewis wants to sighn Andy Johnson!!!
13 Posted 23/12/2010 at 21:19:55
I think that the 4-4-1-1 formation has become a bit of a liability because it?s essentially a modified 4-4-2 and that?s a formation that tends to get chewed up by the ?proper? five-man midfields that are prevalent nowadays. To me, the 4-4-1-1 formation is the reason that the likes of Arteta are denied time in possession and why so much of our play goes sideways rather than forward.
As some regular readers will know, I?m definitely not Cahill?s biggest fan. I think that he could have been a great player in another era but he doesn?t quite fit any of the roles required in the modern game ? and I resent the way that David Moyes seems to design his tactics around Cahill rather than the squad as a whole. However, I try to be objective when studying our strengths and weaknesses and I do acknowledge that Cahill has been our most consistent goal threat this season.
With that in mind, I think that it?s worth trying Cahill at the head of a 4-2-3-1 formation, with the Fellaini and Rodwell playing the two anchor roles behind Arteta, Bily and Pienaar (or Osman, but that?s a different story). The five midfielders shouldn?t be overrun whilst playing in two banks encourages back and forth passing, rather than side to side.
No doubt some people would label that as a ?negative? 4-6-0 tactic, but they?d be the sort of fools who judge players on their prescribed labels rather than the role that they actually play during the match.
14 Posted 23/12/2010 at 22:29:05
For some reason a lot of people seem to think 2 up front is the answer to all our problems, Pep Guardiola or Vicente Del Bosque might disagree though.
The problem is not the formation, it's that the players on the pitch are simply not performing. Saha couldn't score in a brothel, Beckford can't finish, the Yak is miles off form and Arteta seems to have forgotten how to pass the ball forwards.
15 Posted 23/12/2010 at 22:33:00
People may point out his 'limited ability' on the ball but this hasn't stopped the likes of Lampard and Scholes in excelling in the middle of the park. I'm an advocate of two upfront and with Cahill chipping in, Arteta and Pienaar wide creating (?!?!) and Fellaini sitting ? surely this is an answer to our goalscoring problems?
I'm sure somebody will say Cahill CAN'T play in a four-man midfield but when has he in his time at Everton? Just an opinion....
16 Posted 23/12/2010 at 23:04:21
I think we'll win against Birmingham but I have no faith in Moyes to make the right decision. That's the difference between good managers and great managers ? they are consistent.
17 Posted 23/12/2010 at 22:58:43
Paul @15 ? Good shout again, Cahill should be told to stay in midfield, and we would still see him getting on the end of something in the box.
A midfield of Fellaini, Cahill and Rodwell, with Pienaar and Arteta wide, would create, dominate, and score goals, with Beckford up front for good measure.
18 Posted 23/12/2010 at 23:44:37
19 Posted 24/12/2010 at 00:09:30
However, I do concur that the perception that having two "strikers" is more attacking is misguided and I accept that the way in which (some) players have failed to perform to the best of their ability has been a major problem.
20 Posted 24/12/2010 at 08:03:34
21 Posted 24/12/2010 at 08:46:07
Pointless anyway, as he will be missing for possibly upto a month in Jan so come on down Bily
22 Posted 24/12/2010 at 08:59:59
23 Posted 24/12/2010 at 09:18:16
Saha is past if for me and has maybe played well 20% of the time on the field since we signed him. The Yak still has something to offer I think but mustn't be impressing in training, or who knows what's going on there.
Cahill and Baines have been players of the season so far.
24 Posted 24/12/2010 at 09:13:37
As for who to partner him, I thought Yakubu was looking good then he got dropped, Beckford hasn't been given a fair crack of the whip, Saha has and has been useless and Anichebe has never cut it in my eyes. I thought Vaughan was over as an Everton player but he's back at us now having scored 5 goals this season. Beckford and Yakubu seem to be no-goes for Moyes and if this is the case why not let Vaughan take his last chance. The thing with Vaughan is that, even if he isn't playing well, he will run his heart out.
25 Posted 24/12/2010 at 11:50:27
I suppose technically speaking everybody has limited ability on the ball, as otherwise their ability would be limitless, but it seems an odd assessment when both players are limited to relentlessly accurate passing including over long distances, showing great touch and vision, and being able to score regularly from 20 yards+. If Cahill had the same limits as those two we'd be doing pretty well this season, and every season.
Back to the main point, Yakubu was dropped just when he was starting to look good. Why? I don't buy that it's because Moyes wants to sell him and so avoid an injury, because he's worth next to nothing right now for not having played. Even if you were going to sell him he should be playing. He's our best all round striker, and actually our best goalscorer as well when on form. He's also (officially!) a lot younger than Saha, so his non-selection remains a mystery to me.
26 Posted 24/12/2010 at 14:24:35
But Merry Christmas one and all.
27 Posted 24/12/2010 at 14:32:33
28 Posted 24/12/2010 at 14:37:50
If we give 90 mins he's have a chance to get into the rhythm of the game.
When Timmy goes, put the Yak up front with Beckford especially at home and try JV if Yak tires. We have to know at some point if we can use Vaughan.
As with Becks, give the lads a proper chance. It can't be any worse than what we've seen so far this season.
29 Posted 24/12/2010 at 17:21:34
The tactics of a negative manager with an inferiority complex.
30 Posted 24/12/2010 at 17:32:33
All the World Team managers must feel inferior too, as England was only one of the few that had a 4-4-2. Worked wonders for them didn't it.
31 Posted 24/12/2010 at 17:36:58
Neville Jagielka Distin Baines
Coleman Rodwell Arteta
Pienaar is not going to stay, that?s obvious, I think that Cahill should stay where he is and play Beckford.
Beckford?s the only striker that has consistently got into scoring positions. Ok, he can?t hit a barn door at the moment but surely he will come good. Saha and the Yak are both past it, best we get rid of them both.
32 Posted 24/12/2010 at 17:54:57
Mourinho plays wide players forming a 4-3-3. Moyes prefers playing midfielders such as Rodwell or a forward like Anichebe as wide midfielders.
Tony, why are we failing to beat lesser teams at home? Tactics perhaps?
33 Posted 24/12/2010 at 17:58:33
As people have mentioned, he's far more effective when he runs from deep and not tracked by defenders.
A lone striker, especially in our system, needs to hold the ball up effectively and put other people into play. Cahill's decent at it but not outstanding.
Problem is the majority of the strikers we have can do it very well, it's just that they can't score to save their lives.
34 Posted 24/12/2010 at 18:51:00
Also it's easy to play a 4-3-3 when you have Essien, Lampard & another in your midfield but aren't these wide players also wingers, ie midfielders so it turns to a 4-5-1 when not attacking?
I think we have failed to beat lesser teams at home this season because our forwards have been unable to score the numerous chances that they have had on goal.
Surprisingly the tactics have not been the biggest problem this season, scoring the chances have.
35 Posted 24/12/2010 at 19:28:07
Just to reply, technically, I don't think Lampard and Scholes are the greatest footballers in the world. Most of the time, their game is getting the ball in the centre of the park and passing the ball sideways and having the knack of arriving late in the box to finish off moves. All I was saying is that Cahill can do the same from the centre himself.
The long accurate passes, as you put it, from Fat Frank and Scholes are usually 30-yard crossfield passes and not really killer passes. And how many >20- yard goals are scored from these two? Maybe two a season tops?
36 Posted 24/12/2010 at 22:32:13
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