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I just read the link on the front page (a similar link seems to appear every time there is a transfer window on the horizon!) and yet again we have no money and no hope of bringing in anyone. Just when we can start dreaming of new signings to freshen things up, the rug is pulled from under us.

Isn't it about time our manager wheeled and dealed a bit? Obviously loyalty is a good quality for a manager to have, but looking at our squad, there is some dead wood to shift. Yakubu and Saha are not the players they were for starters, Bily has never looked up to it in an Everton shirt, Pienaar will go for nothing at the end of the season. It appears Vaughan is surplus to requirements.

Why not let some of them go? Even if we only got £7 or £8 million for that lot, we might be able to bring in 2 fresh players. There must be some players in the Championship we could look at? Or an up-and-coming striker from Europe somewhere? Or is it unrealistic for us, as Evertonians, to dream about us making a signing in the transfer window?
Danny Broderick, St Albans     Posted 27/12/2010 at 17:51:14

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Brian Waring
1   Posted 27/12/2010 at 19:51:39

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Danny, this is the norm for us.
Andy Crooks
2   Posted 27/12/2010 at 19:51:56

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Danny, there may well be deadwood to shift. David Moyes won't shift it, though. It seems to me that deadwood is what he starts his first eleven with (all players being fit).
Gavin Ramejkis
3   Posted 27/12/2010 at 20:16:21

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Wait until the summer and we still have fuck all money as next season's Sky money has already been borrowed against, it's going to be sell, sell, sell.
Ian McDowell
4   Posted 27/12/2010 at 20:48:42

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No money... it's grim ain't it. In a few years time we will be talking about 2007-2010 being our recent glory years because, if this lack of investment continues, the club is heading only one way. Unfortunately, that's modern football.
Fran Mitchell
5   Posted 27/12/2010 at 21:01:44

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"Just when we can start dreaming of new signings to freshen things up, the rug is pulled from under us."

When did you start dreaming? You only just realised this now! Did you actually believe those Daily Mail articles suggesting 8million pound men?

No rug has be pulled from under us, BK sold them along time ago.
Ste Traverse
6   Posted 27/12/2010 at 21:15:00

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We have no cash? Not to worry, Bill is out there searching 24/7 365 for investment.
Tom Collie
7   Posted 27/12/2010 at 21:12:15

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I'm no great fan of Moyes but the blame for this appalling situation must lay fairly and squarely with the bloke currently masquerading as chairman. Given the great big hole he's steadily been digging for too many years. The continued support for Kenwright, by a fair number of Blues fans, just beggars belief.
Tony McNulty
8   Posted 27/12/2010 at 21:22:03

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And the positive spin is ...

1) January is never a good time to sign and try to integrate a new player

2) Let's hold on to the players we have got

3) Some previous loans have turned into fantastic deals

But the sad fact remains that, without some £30 million to spend on players in the coming year, we are continuing to head for mid-table mediocrity.
Gavin Ramejkis
9   Posted 27/12/2010 at 21:26:28

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Tony, just as in the posting I sent the other day, you have to ask yourself about spin number 3) Some previous loans have turned into fantastic deals, how this will be possible with no money to convert a loan into a permanent move.

Tom, couldn't agree more, at what point will the penny finally drop that BK is out of his depth but steering Everton right into an iceberg. I can't wait for Doddy to try to pardon BK out of this one.
Alex Kociuba
10   Posted 27/12/2010 at 21:44:25

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Won't publicly announcing the fact we have no money hinder our chances at getting loan deals? I know players go on loan for a variety of reasons, but surely some deals will be based on that idea that if a player does well the team would make a bid to make the move permanent?
Gavin Ramejkis
11   Posted 27/12/2010 at 21:53:35

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Alex, I think by now the footballing community as a whole know BK and thus Everton are potless. Accepting the truth is the first step we need to take for change, the hardest truth is we are broke, how we deal with that and make that change is the second step.

Where's your and thus Everton's great fucking friend now then, Kenshite?
Ray Robinson
12   Posted 27/12/2010 at 22:05:06

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As long as Bilyaletdinov, Heitinga and Yakubu continue to warm the bench, there is NO excuse for inactivity in the January transfer window.
Col Noon
13   Posted 27/12/2010 at 22:02:49

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Ian 4 - "In a few years time we will be talking about 2007-2010 being our recent glory years because, if this lack of investments continues, the club is heading only one way. Unfortunately, that's modern football."

IF this lack of investment continues?? Ian, it has become apparent that ? in spite of what Billy Bullshit is claiming ? we are not as a club doing enough to attract investment, and I mean the right type of investment. Kenright is still on planet 24/7 looking for a billionaire to buy us, fund us, sustain us and let him call the shots.

It has been well documented that Everton Football Club is a poorly run business in virtually all aspects. Kings Dock, Destination Kirkby and "The cheque is in the post" have been spouted on here too many times to mention ? we as fans understand what needs to be done; unfortunately, the people who have the final say are incompetent, clueless and lack any real vision to implement a positive change. So get used to the old Moyes "we don't have cash to spend" because it is not going to change any time soon I am afraid.

Marc Williams
14   Posted 27/12/2010 at 22:13:43

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I think you are all very unkind to chairman Bill & the hard work he has put in to his 24/7 search for investment. However, I think that you've all misunderstood the criteria of his "Quest to invest".

I've heard that things may shortly be coming to fruition & on January 1st he will finally have raised the 24 Pounds & 7 pence that he has been talking about all along.

Good on you Bill, the club's financial future is safe in your hands.

Mike Elbey
15   Posted 27/12/2010 at 22:36:58

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Ray (11),

Spot on. As long as we have players with significant value sitting on the bench then Moyes is just being stubborn in refusing to deal.

Yes, Kenwright gives him no support but we could have a far better TEAM if Moyes let certain players leave from positions we have strength and then used the money raised to strengthen the areas we are short ie, forwards and right midfield.

If we have no money then we can't afford to have £20M sat on the bench...
Al Reddish
16   Posted 27/12/2010 at 22:39:29

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I will believe he has saved £24.07 when I see it. Apparently the "cheque is in the post" and we have to "watch this space" even though it has been "ring fenced".
Col Noon
17   Posted 27/12/2010 at 22:38:24

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Marc - 14 Comical... sad... but very true. Kenwright is lost, completely lost. And we as a football club are suffering.

What I will not be able to stomach is if we do go on another good run which mirrors last season. And a cup run which sees us in the semis or final is Big Billy Blueshit lauding in the press and on TV (I can feel my blood boiling by the thought of it). That is what really grinds my gears, the utter nerve of the man. Disappearing act when we struggle, lapping it up when we do get a bit of relative success.

Do us all a favour Kenwright and spare us the cringeworthy bollocks, you are not fooling anyone. (OK, Doddy still loves you... but you get my drift.)

Tom Collie
18   Posted 27/12/2010 at 22:45:22

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In addition to Col's #12 valid points,

I reckon the main reason operation '24/7' has failed is because all those with fingers in the Everton pie don't have the slightest intention of leaving without showing a handsome profit on their non-investment in the club.

It's a bit like saying I've been trying 24/7 to sell my old 80s Lada car, there's just no buyers about. Can't understand why I'm only asking £20k for it?
Dick Fearon
19   Posted 27/12/2010 at 23:17:35

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Tom #18, Please explain how those with fingers in the pie will make a handsome profit if our financial and playing situation deteriorates due lack of investment.
Robert Moore
20   Posted 27/12/2010 at 23:25:19

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How much is our club worth?
Tom Collie
21   Posted 27/12/2010 at 23:28:10

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Dick #19 ? Why ask me that when they obviously won't?

All I'm suggesting is the reason the club hasn't been sold to date is because the asking price is too high. Or don't you agree with that synopsis?
Tom Bowers
22   Posted 27/12/2010 at 23:28:45

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I think all Evertonians have accepted the fact that money is very tight ?especially not having made Europe this season and, unless the get consistent and rise up the table quickly, then we won't get into Europe next season either.

We need a big investor (but not chicken farmers). Until then we have to swap some, sell some and try also to get some on loan such as another Landon Donovan if possible.

Sure, we have some players to sell but, apart from Pienaar, we would take a heavy hit in the loss department for the likes of Yakubu and Bily who cannot get a run in the team, so people would be offering peanuts and I doubt Kenwright would be tempted to offload too cheaply. Still, that's the way it is at the moment and, without the big investor, it will remain so.

Tony McNulty
23   Posted 27/12/2010 at 23:30:02

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Gavin (@8)

Well they usually find a few quid from somewhere eventually, often the result of some fire sales. Which is why the Gosling debacle still rankles.

You also have to ask yourself whether it will still be as easy to uncover the Colemans of this world. No matter what people think of David Moyes, he has done the club proud in some of his deals. Has anyone totalled up recently what he has spent versus the money coming in, since he has come to Goodison?
Jimmy Hacking
24   Posted 27/12/2010 at 23:47:33

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I've made similar posts to this before and been shot down for being ignorant or naive, but I just can't for the life of me figure out the conundrum that is our club.

? We have a small squad and relatively low wage bill for a team with an average crowd of 36,000;
? We consistently finish high up in the league, and have embarked on several European runs and made it to a Cup Final;
? We often sell players for large amounts (it was only 16 bloody months ago we received £24 million for Lescott!) and spend far less on replacements;
? We have a large fanbase wasting £80 a season on both new replica shirts etc.

So ... HOW THE FUCK ARE WE ALWAYS SO SKINT?!!

Is it literally impossible to even run a modern football club on an even keel nowadays? I don't know why I even bother following the game anymore...
Jimmy Hacking
25   Posted 28/12/2010 at 00:03:55

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And for those of you blaming Kenwright, I don't like the man or the dire way he runs our club, but I don't believe he is literally stealing money from the club's coffers and squirrelling it in his secret Swiss bank account. Seriously, where is all the money going? What is going on? Somebody help!
Tom Collie
26   Posted 28/12/2010 at 00:14:06

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Jimmy #24.

I reckon it's all going to service debts acquired on the surety of shareholdings.

Just my view obviously but I bet it won't be too far off the mark.
Gavin Ramejkis
27   Posted 28/12/2010 at 00:13:27

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Jimmy, the problems are the cumulative fuck ups of several chairmen, but a big portion of it down to Black Bill who has systematically sold, outsourced and mortgaged the club to the fucking hilt as he is clueless on how to run one.

At the end of the day, the cunt has never made anything himself and is just a glorified ticket tout for other people's plays; hiring venues and employing actors and staff for the short run each show is on for. He hasn't a clue about medium- and long-term business strategies.

He has borrowed big against the club from Green to buy the club, buyout the Greggs through the face of Earl, and Green looked for his return/get-out through the retail attached to Desperation Kirkby. BK fucked that one up and the cash lines have been withdrawn by Green ? lo and behold, we switch to sell-to-buy mode but with the smallest squad in the EPL. That isn't a method with much mileage in it unless you have a team of galacticos with more waiting in the youth squad.

So, Jimmy, with the poor-sighted loans such as Bear Stearns, mortgages and lack of commercial development, I rest the state of the club's perilous finances right at BK's door. Don't forget, we got to the FA Cup Final with two Wembley appearances and have had reasonable runs in the Europa League and it's got us fuck all financially. So you are right: BK isn't squirrelling money away, the creditors are calling for it back from all the mortgages and loans BK signed up to.

Paul Olsen
28   Posted 27/12/2010 at 23:28:27

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We all knew this before, no use making a fuzz about it now.

The clearest indication has been the lack of media moments from the aforementioned Kenwright. Whenever something remotely good is happening he will always be leading the line for the media whenever he thinks he will get praised.

In tough times, however, he never utters a word. A true leader.
David Hallwood
29   Posted 28/12/2010 at 01:49:30

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This is going to be an interesting transfer window to say the least, because I think that the entire EPL is skint (bar one or possibly two) and it will be loan deals all round.

For me, the club to watch is Chelsea, because they need 4-5 players just to hang onto the other three's coat tails... Now, if they don't spend big, either it's because Abramovich has tired of his trainset and realises that, no matter how much money is thrown at it, it will never be enough ? or That's yer lotti, Ancelotti!!!

But back to Everton: we the fans will have to get used to being only able to spend what we earn, the days of easy money, with the probable exception of the global brands, have gone.

Ste Traverse
30   Posted 28/12/2010 at 06:50:18

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Kenwright and his massive ego is a curse on this club. I can't believe some fans still defend him.

Peter Johnson? This useless gobshite is WORSE than Peter Johnson.
Les Martin
31   Posted 28/12/2010 at 10:05:23

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Is it time to say "enough is enough" and vent our frustration at the chairman at home games, in situations like these he should have the balls to come clean, be frank and tell us exactly what is going on with the club's finances, and then we can decide either to all pull together or show our disaproval verbally.

I wonder what type of squad we would have had without Rooney and then Lescott being sold, but obviously there has never been any surplus kitty without sales, so it begs the question: Who's next? Rodwell, I suppose.

The recent whooping it up by Elstone regarding the £12M Chang deal also means nothing to the fans, they couldn't care less unless that money is evident in transfer funds.

What a pitiful state we appear to be in, only £1M spent with comings and goings in the summer, and now the begging bowls out in the winter. Time to come clean, Mr Chairman, I am watching this space intently.

Danny Broderick
32   Posted 28/12/2010 at 10:10:49

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My point was more to do with the manager cutting his cloth accordingly. The whole world knows we are skint, but do we amble along and do nothing or can't the manager freshen up the squad a bit? Isn't that his job? The league is so tight we can still salvage something this year if we have a strong finish...
Ray Robinson
33   Posted 28/12/2010 at 11:34:55

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Tom (#22): I wouldn't advocate selling players too cheaply but what's a bigger waste of money ? selling players at a loss or getting nothing for them as they wind their contracts down on the bench?

Either play them or sell them has to be the order of the day, surely, if we're as skint as we're being told we are?

Steve Pugh
34   Posted 28/12/2010 at 11:32:26

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Of course there is always the possibility that Moyes hasn't seen anybody that he would like to buy and that is available for the sort of money he would get by clearing out the deadwood. Let's face it, if we sell Yak for £2m it doesn't mean that he will get £2m. There is then the possibility that the deadwood will not sell until late in the window and doesn't leave enough time to bring in good replacements. At which point Moyes will get slated for 'dithering' despite the fact that it is the board that sort that side of things.

Finally, when we pick up a few injuries later in the season, people will be complaining that we sold Yak et al in order to buy one player when we needed them as cover and we already had a really small squad.

As for where does the money go, does anyone know how much money goes to servicing the loans Bill got from his friends in order to buy the club?

Jimmy Hacking
35   Posted 28/12/2010 at 12:28:02

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Good point, Steve, the old "sell-to-buy" rule doesn't seem to apply to Everton. It's not like Moyes was given £24 million of the Lescott money to spend.

I know this is just depressing speculation but even if we sold, say, Bily, Heitinga (who I hope stays!), Vaughan and Yakubu for, ooh, £15 million, I would imagine us buying a striker for about £6 million, a defender on loan and that's yer lot. The other £9 million would never be heard of again and we will be skint again in the summer.
Fran Mitchell
36   Posted 28/12/2010 at 12:32:12

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£20million sat on the bench? What are you on about?

Bily ? if we sell we will get about £6million, his career/reputation has gone backwards since arriving.
Yakubu ? if we sell we will get about £2 million due to his contract and fitness.
Heitinga ? £6-8million, we should really just start playing him.
Anichebe ? 6 months left, 4/5 goals in 2 years....£500k-1million
Vaughan ? £1million or so.

Also, with all these sales, if none of them request a transfer, we must pay them each a loyalty bonus.
Chris Sillett
37   Posted 28/12/2010 at 13:00:47

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We hear the same comments from Moyes on the eve of the January transfer window opening and half way through the summer window "we've got no money", "we can only do loans". Fair enough, Kenwright is probably the most incompetent chairman in the league. But I wish Moyes would just stop moaning and get on with his job. Has he ever heard the saying 'put up or shut up'? He hasn't got the balls to stand up to Kenwright and challenge him in the boardroom about the appalling lack of funds over the last two years but often praises him in the press as if he is the best thing since sliced bread.

Moyes says that it will be a tough ask to bring any strikers in who are good enough to get in our team, well that's a laughable statement considering Saha has no league goal for nearly a year, Yakubu is a shadow of his former self, and Beckford has just came from playing the likes of Tranmere and Yeovil every week.
Matt Garen
38   Posted 28/12/2010 at 13:11:14

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25 years ago, Everton were the best team in England. 15 years ago, 10 years ago, today they are not.

There are a multitude of reasons for this and there is credible arguments as to whether Rupert Murdoch, Roman Abramovich, Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Bill Kenwright and others to blame. David Moyes is not on this list. In 8 seasons to finish 6 of them 8th or higher in the Premier League is simply an outstanding achievement. To finish 4th compared to the net spending of Spurs who have achieved the same feat only once is beyond reproach.

There have been many mistakes along the way, many down to the chairman. This isn't, or at least doesn't seem to be something that will change in the near future. However, if it were, would Everton Football Club be in a stronger position? Who is to say... but the fact is, since 2000, football in England has changed beyond recognition and Everton have been amongst the top 8 more often than not with basically no financial clout.

There may be a time when Everton win the league again but I doubt it. It's what it is and it has to be accepted by everyone. I could say most on this website are delusional moaners with no grasp of reality but I'd rather put it down to the love of this wonderful, historic, great club we support...

But remember ? nil satis nisi optimum is a motto and it's just that. You can strive for the best but it's not always in reach.

Phil Bellis
39   Posted 28/12/2010 at 14:47:45

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Fair enough, Matt - let's give up, then

"We are all in the gutter..."
Colin Potter
40   Posted 28/12/2010 at 15:04:26

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Chris Sillet ? Spot on!! Moyes hasn't got the balls to stand up to Kenwright. He knows Kenwright won't sack him, he just dithers along, making stupid fucking statements.
Brian Waring
41   Posted 28/12/2010 at 20:08:50

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Matt, can I ask why Wenger is on your list?
Matt Garen
42   Posted 28/12/2010 at 21:05:06

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Just in the sense Wenger has made Arsenal better and more successful than Everton. The list could be longer and include Walter Smith and Johnson too
Brian Waring
43   Posted 28/12/2010 at 21:52:45

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Ah, I see what you were getting at Matt.
Trevor Lynes
44   Posted 28/12/2010 at 22:20:31

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DM has the best managerial job in English football: if we got relegated, it would not be his fault as he has had no backing; if he finishes halfway or above, he has been Mr Wonderful working magic on a shoestring. He held out for an improved contract and players who do the same get slated for lack of loyalty.

I watched a substandard game of football today against West Ham and find that I am, bit by bit, losing interest... NOT ONE of the current team would ever be an Everton legend in my opinion. They are basically journeymen who would not get into any of the top four or five teams. None of them really excite me and I yearn for the times when forwards scored hat-tricks for us and we beat teams by four or five.

I don't blame DM... he is trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. His tactics are directly related to the paucity of decent players we have at the club. We will continue to scramble enough points to get by and continue to bleat about bad luck and missed chances. Where are our emerging youngsters?? They must be pretty dire if they cannot get into our present first team.

Alan Bond
45   Posted 28/12/2010 at 22:47:34

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Playing a starting 11 which includes 1 Goalkeeper, 1 Centre Back, 4 Full Backs, and 5 Midfielders in a game I would describe as a 'must win' if we are to achieve what we should be this season, worries me.

Whether or not the three forwards on the bench have been doing it this season makes no odds ? they are all proven goalscorers and we need to stick with them a) because we have no funds to strengthen in January, and b) because obviously we are losing Tim Cahill in January.

For me, Moyes needs to stop being so negative and again today he has blamed a lack of finishing for us not taking all 3 points and he only has himself to blame. Playing without a forward in the Premier League is just not the right recipe for success.

Like I saId, I accept the form of Beckford, Yakubu and Saha has not been great this term but their is no better place to start than at Stoke on New Years Day.

Rob Wilkinson
46   Posted 28/12/2010 at 23:05:38

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I know we're all down at the moment with the lack of cash down the back of Blue Bill's sofa but I wondered if any of you knew:

Does Bill live in the same house as he did when he acquired the club? I mean I know he has borrowed up to his eyeballs against the club but after finishing the the European spots for nearly every season of Moyes's tenure, there must have been some money gone somewhere and my guess is we could see it in Bill's Assets??? New Aston maybe?

Tom Bowers
47   Posted 28/12/2010 at 23:13:19

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Moyes had 3 strikers on the bench today so it's obvious he prefers a negative approach, even against a West Ham team who played on Sunday. He got the draw he wanted, which is pathetic and underlines what the man is all about.

Selling these bench strikers is a must but of course he won't now that Cahill will be missing next week. Anichebe is not an out-and-out striker but even he keeps shooting himself in the foot for one reason or another.

Everything comes back to Cahill who just cannot go it alone. Make the moves Moyes or get out for pity's sake.

Joseph Elworthy
48   Posted 29/12/2010 at 04:49:13

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I hate to admit this, but I would definitely listen to reasonable offers for Rodwell. His first touch is not at Premier League standard and he lacks football smarts. Although, in his defence, having to cover for Arteta's ineptitude doesn't help.

Players I would rather not see wearing the Everton strip:

Neville
Arteta
Saha

Players earning their paycheque:

Coleman
Cahill (though not today)
Distin
Matthew Johnson
49   Posted 29/12/2010 at 15:06:12

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It could always still be the Moyes bluff.

If he has £12 Million to spend do you really expect him to say in the December press we have £12 Million to spend?

Far better to say we are skint and negotiate hard with other parties for players (not only the transfer fee but agent fees and the players' wages too).
Anthony Hughes
50   Posted 29/12/2010 at 15:26:19

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it's some bluff that's been carried on for a few years now.
Gavin Ramejkis
51   Posted 29/12/2010 at 18:28:37

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Money has risen up from Black Bill's empty purse Lazarus like since August? Doubt it,if we had money it would have been spent then, we've earned fuck all since and Green hasn't opened his wallet since Kirkby went tits up.

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