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One win in ten! You do the maths. RELEGATION is the only outcome on current form, and for me I can't see were the next goals or wins are going to come from.

I am sick of hearing how this player and that player are going to hit form, and players mouthing off in the media on what they intend to do going into 2011. FFS, just get your shit together on the field and let the football do the talking as the way things stand we are on the slippery slope towards the bottom three.

I have lost all trust in Moyes and all his backroom staff and I think if he doesn't get the correct players in in January and gets the Artetas of the world performing NOW ? not next week or next month ? then we can look forward to visiting Middlesborough etc next season.

I for one don't hold out too much hope that Moyes will get any of what I've said correct with incoming faces or getting the under-performing stars playing the way they SHOULD be, so I see only one of two outcomes.

  1. There being 3 worst team's than us come the end of the season (which I very much doubt)
  2. Relegation.

IMWT, my arse!

Craig  Bellew, Isle of Man     Posted 01/01/2011 at 18:17:44

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Steve Burbage
1   Posted 01/01/2011 at 21:20:25

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Our board is woeful but we have become accustomed to that and we have also accepted that we can't win anything unless things change in the Premiership or a rich sugardaddy throws loads of money at Everton ? let's face it, neither is going to happen.

Now we have to accept a manager and a team that have also given up pretending to try and inspire, what you can do though is stay away and refuse to give your money to overpaid players and a tired product called the Premier League. Moyes should go (for his benefit as much as ours) but things need to change at Board and Premier League level ? let's face it, it has now become as predictable as the SPL.

Mike Hughes
2   Posted 01/01/2011 at 21:21:35

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Only one thing to say - we are shittier than a shit-coloured shit stick covered in shit.
Lyndon Lloyd
3   Posted 01/01/2011 at 21:21:44

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The next win will come soon enough and I don't think relegation is a realistic fear but there's nothing to suggest at the moment that we'll be mounting any challenge for Europe or finishing in the top seven or eight.

That is unless Moyes either discovers a combination or formation with his current squad that suddenly clicks or he pulls a rabbit out of the hat in the loan market this month.
Daniel Johnson
4   Posted 01/01/2011 at 21:24:37

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Lack of goals is the real worry, it's what relegates the newly promoted teams in the Premier League 9 times out of 10.

If you don't score you don't win. It would help if the manager played a striker though against fellow relegation candidates.
Mike Hughes
5   Posted 01/01/2011 at 21:24:19

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#3 Lyndon - we probably will win some time in January. But wasn't this season supposed to be about progress / kicking-on? What's happened to Arteta, the "strikers", the strange formations and substitutions? It's gone tits-up. Even the most spaced-out optimist would have to admit to that re: EFC's situation at present. Yes, we might cover up the cracks and finish top half but what happened to the first half of the season and what might have been?
Nathan O'Hagan
6   Posted 01/01/2011 at 21:23:39

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How can we have fallen so far? This is mostly the same group of players that has done very well in recent seasons. Now we have our best players like Arteta in poor form, Pienaar likely to leave in January, and strikers who can't score. I dread to think were we'd be without Tiger Tim and Bainesy. What can be done? We can't afford to buy anyone, and Tim is off to the Asian Cup.

DM has built his success in large part on getting the best out of players. Some man-management is surely needed with Mikky. He's one of the best midfielders we've had in a very long time. I'm sure he'll come good but he needs to start producing NOW. He's a senior player, the best paid at the club, he clearly has genuine love for Everton, but he had to turn it on ASAP.

Tactically, something has to change. Our 4-5-1 system which has worked so well in the past isn't working, that's plain to see. We seem to have no Plan B. WIth Tim going, it's time to try something different. Simply putting another player in his position isn't enough.

I don't presume to know the answers, but I see no reason not to give the fringe players (Vaughan, Beckford, Bily etc) a run in the team. But we have to bring in a proven PL striker in Jan on loan. Someone with a bit of movement and who can score. Keane or Santa Cruz would fit the bill if we could afford their wages. I always rated Cruz at Blackburn, and DM tried to sign him when they did but couldn't afford him.

Despite our bad form, we're somehow not yet adrift. A good second half of the season could see us push for a Europa spot. I'm certainly not part of the Moyes Out brigade (yet) but he really needs to earn his wages from now on, as do the players. Just a couple of wins and we could yet go on one of our late season runs. Here's hoping.

Brian Waring
7   Posted 01/01/2011 at 22:08:30

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Say the magic number to stay up is
42pts, that means we need another 20pts from18 games,considering it took us 20 games to get to 22pts, so, when you look at it that way, relegation does become a possibility.

Also, the next four games, Spurs, the shite, West Ham and Arsenal, apart from West Ham, I'm stuck to see where else we get maximum pts.
Joe McMahon
8   Posted 01/01/2011 at 23:07:41

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Moyes is good at lack of goals, isn't he. I never saw Everton for over a year whilst Smith was still there.

I refuse to pay good money again while this "Tactically Inept Neanderthal" collects his £65,000 per week and rewards us with the worst football that a talented and not-cheap squad has ever played.

Neil Steele
9   Posted 02/01/2011 at 00:11:34

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Strange and completely incorrect comment there, Steve Burbage. I do sometimes wonder if this kind of bizarre logic is part of the Evertonian acceptance of rank mediocrity though? The Premier League becoming as predictable as the SPL... have you been living on Mars? The league is the most open, competitive and arguably exciting for the neutral than it has been for over a decade, and it seriously wouldn't surprise me to see Spurs lift the title this term.

You keep kidding yourself that 'fooball is fooked' ? as many Blues seem to like to ? if that is what makes you happy. The truth is that it isn't. Nor is the Premier League.

It's just that Everton are slipping further and further adrift, and even small clubs like Stoke can now outspend, and outplay us on any given day. That doesn't sit comfortably with some people because, make no mistake, it is squarely down to the dyed-in-the-wool true Blue duo of Moyes and Kenwright, and both have been as culpable as each other of late.

Unless things change, we will be relegated inside 3 years... and the worst thing is, it will be what many of our supporters deserve. Whilst thousands of pretentious Evertonians pontifcate about how they are better than those "whopper" Geordies, or the Kopites... our club is sinking deeper and deeper into the depths of mediocrity and decay, and the people are sitting back and shouting 'encore'.

It's been said before and I'll say it again... the public gets what the public wants. Too many Evertonians make me sick. The line between humility, level-headedness, being realistic... and being a straight out loser and a coward is a very fine one. Too many of our fans are definitely treading the wrong side of it, and when the shit hits the fan, they will be the chief head scratchers.

Andy Crooks
10   Posted 02/01/2011 at 00:47:47

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Neil, you make a good point. If ever we were going to make a break through this is the season to do it. The Premier League is wide open, top and bottom. Who could have believed that we would be fighting at the bottom?

Frankly, I find it incredible that there are Evertonians prepared to defend what has been served up this season. We have better players than most teams in the league. Unfortunately we have a coach who doesn't seem to realise this.

The team selection and tactics of David Moyes suggest that he believes that a draw is a good result against anyone. He came to Everton as a potentially great coach. Years later he has learned nothing. He has a small team mentality and he should go and help out a small team. Sorry, I forgot his obscene salary.

Mike Elbey
11   Posted 02/01/2011 at 01:53:05

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You have hit the nail firmly on the head.

Absolutely spot on...
Dave Richman
12   Posted 02/01/2011 at 10:08:32

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I second Mike Elbey's comment.

Brilliantly said, Neil. I just trawled through a bunch of comments on various Facebook pages and the 'IMWT' brigade are out in force today... it beggars belief.
Jimmy Hacking
13   Posted 02/01/2011 at 11:02:44

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Do I think we'll go down? No.

But the worrying thing is, we genuinely COULD go down... anyone who believes we are "too good" to be relegated is in denial. I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up this season on about 41 points, that might be enough to stay up; it might not...
Gavin Ramejkis
14   Posted 02/01/2011 at 11:21:00

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I think the magic number will be 43/44 and goal difference will be the difference in making the cut or not, if you can't score how will this be anything but a negative number?
Duncan McDine
15   Posted 02/01/2011 at 11:21:01

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Relegation is most certainly a possiblility, but to be honest I still think we will probably end the season mid-table (which isn't anywhere near good enough).

It is a depressing time to be a Blue, and I can't really be arsed to analyse our problems... there are so many.

If I were to list the problems in order of importance though, here's a go:- (feel free to add to this list BTW!)

1. BK has no money at all, so players, manager and many fans now have a 'small club' mentality.

2. The excitement and expectations of the new season have long gone, and due to our pathetic start, everyone is completely lacking motivation.

3. Key players have played like shit all season ? yes, you, Mikel, Jags, Howard, and to an extent Cahill (apart from goals, his all round play has been very poor).

4. Big money signings have proved flops: Bily, Heitinga, Felli, and Yak. As much as Fellaini is appreciated, he has fuck-all drive and determination, and is at fault defensively non-stop. Bring back Carsley anyday.

5. We have got into a habbit of playing tidy passing football in the midfield area, and do absolutely fuck-all with the ball. We only look like scoring when Baines is on the ball... everyone else is slow and indecisive (shit, in other words).

There are many more things to add to this list, but I just can't be arsed ? just like everyone at Everton.

NOTE:? Leighton Baines is excluded from this rant... if he has any sense, he'll go to Bayern.

Paul Gladwell
16   Posted 02/01/2011 at 12:54:20

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The derby is looming soon and without Cahill, you just know negative arse's approach for this game, I have a feeling the apologists will be turning come then.
Franny Porter
17   Posted 02/01/2011 at 13:43:16

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As shit as 'they' are, I'm fucking dreading the derby...
Daniel Johnson
18   Posted 02/01/2011 at 15:06:47

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Moyes has now become like the Premier League player who has his million-pound contract and doesn't give a fuck, happy to sit on the bench and have the odd sub appearance as it's all about the money.

Why else is he fucking sticking around? He's just riding the gravy train until something better comes along. He's just abusing his position plodding along on auto pilot building up his kids' nest egg and keeping his Mrs in trips to Harrods. Whilst Kenwright watches over his train set always looking for a buyer 24/7.

If with Moyes we can't get there after 9 years then a few more will make fuck all difference. Best squad in years but tactically Moyes is more Connect 4 than Grand Master Chess champion. Sell Johnny "Barcelona Boy" Heitinga and pay Moyes off.

Thank you, Mr Moyes, and good night... Take the picture of you at the FA Cup Final off the wall and close the door on your way out.

David Lok
19   Posted 02/01/2011 at 16:24:24

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Before the season started, I said before for Everton, every season is pre-season. We have been hearing the same old shit and look forward to the next season. DM has been saying the same shit, BK has been saying the same shit, we fans have been doing likewise too. So, what's new?

We all know, there's no money, no sugerdaddy due to whatever reason. Strikers not scoring, players going without a single cent in our piggy bank, bla bla bla.... May I ask, did the board do anything to improve the situation? They might have, but is it enough? If it is, then we shall all not talk big and enjoy the season, or rather the coming seasons. Well, is still pre-season, and there's still the next, and the next... So, what's the big fuss?

Jyrki Turunen
20   Posted 02/01/2011 at 16:26:22

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Some PL facts from

After 20 games: 6 W, 5 D, 9 L. Goals 23-28, 23 points.

After Walter's last 10 games: 1 W, 4 D, 5 L. goals 5-10, 7 points.

Spurs, Liverpool, West Ham & Arsenal games coming soon. Maybe very soon we will be in about same situation as when Walter's reign neared its end.

After Christmas 2001, Walter's team had 23 points vs. Moyes's team has 22.

Just asking, is DM honestly still taking us forward? 9 years... (Yes, I can remember the fresh air feeling when looking at players warming up for that Fulham game from Main Stand).

Tony McNulty
21   Posted 02/01/2011 at 16:48:56

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Relegation, no. Mid table mediocrity, yes. Generally we do OK against the better teams. We just need to learn to take points against the dross. It is in these latter games that we appear tactically inept with no plan B (and an inadequate plan A).
Brian Lawlor
22   Posted 02/01/2011 at 16:51:09

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Neil ? what are you doing on here? Haven't you got your own toy (website) to play with? You know the one. The one where you ban all and sundry for having differing views or if they show your 'sources' to be blag.

At least here, Micheal Kenrick and Co allow Evertonians to express their differing views not like your communist site.

James Stewart
23   Posted 02/01/2011 at 17:29:04

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I previously never worried about relegation until yesterday.

Never have I watched a team look so unlikely to score.
They could have played for another hour and we still wouldn't have had a shot on target.

No goals puts an awful lot of pressure on the defense which isn't all that.

I have to agree on current form and unless we bring in someone who will get 10 plus goals we are in big trouble.
Trevor Lynes
24   Posted 02/01/2011 at 22:36:22

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Strikers can only score when chances are provided; most strikers miss at least 50% of the chances they get. We are not creating enough from midfield. We are predictable like we were when big Dunc played... the only chances we create from open play come from the full backs NOT from our supposedly class midfield. When did anyone score apart from Cahill, Baines and Coleman.....????????

We spoil every striker we get with poor tactics ? all the above points are accurate and unless we have Plans B & C in place very soon... I can indeed see a relegation battle coming.

If we draw every game from now until the end of the season we will be in danger... WE MUST START WINNING!

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