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There is one thing that Evertonians can certainly agree on at the moment: that something is not right at the Club. However, what my fellow Evertonians can't seem to agree on is who's fault is it. I think it is a number of things that are currently wrong at the Club and therefore difficult to pinpoint. Therefore it is surely time to go back to basics, starting with the most important, the football team.

There seems to be a number of players who don't want to play for either Everton or Moyes anymore. If this is the case, don't play them. Sell them or let them sit in the stands, I'd rather have youth, at least they put the effort in and work hard. Stand up or ship out; Yakubu, Saha, Heitinga, Anichebe, Pienaar, Arteta, Bily.

I'd have a strong word with Arteta and Bily but believe they are confidence players and keep them but on a last warning, the rest can fuck off for all I care.

That should leave a young/committed group of players that want to play. Committed Everton players are Howard, Baines, Jagielka, Distin, Hibbert, Neville, Osman, Cahill, Fellaini (?), add to this the enthusiasm of the youngsters Rodwell, Coleman, Vaughan, Gueye, Duffy, Baxter, Barkley (when fit) and probably about £10m from player sales (assuming keeping hold of Arteta and Bily) could hopefully buy another striker.

Everton need to get back to what has made Everton a better side over the last few years and not these mercenaries. Deal with the team first and then the other problems (finances, stadium, etc) afterwards.
Matthew Lovekin, Brighton     Posted 04/01/2011 at 10:32:53

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James Stewart
1   Posted 04/01/2011 at 15:38:42

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Only problem being Moyes does not share your view.

His post match comments about how well Saha played were bizarre but you can bet your bottom dollar he will be starting the next match sadly.
Brian Waring
2   Posted 04/01/2011 at 15:54:24

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Matthew, the Yak played really well against the shite, scored against Stoke, and is then benched for Saha, who then went on, game after game stinking the place out, but the Yak still couldn't get a start, so could you blame the Yak if he was pissed - off?

Bily, played for his last club, and for Russia, just behind the front man, Moyes gets him, and plays him as a winger, did Moyes actually have him watched? Maybe the lad should be judged when he gets a run - out in his favoured position. Same again with Bily, could you blame him for being pissed - off?

Heitinga played every game at the world cup as a centre - half, and when he played there for us, he did well, Moyes played him in midfield, where he got plenty of stick for being shite, but Moyes continued playing him, could you blame him for being pissed - of?

Maybe, at the end of the day, it could actually be Moyes that is the problem???
As there seems there is quite a few players that look pissed - off at the moment.
Brian Waring
3   Posted 04/01/2011 at 16:09:52

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Also Matthew, why should Bily be given a last warning?
Dave Wilson
4   Posted 04/01/2011 at 16:16:39

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Name me a Premier League manager and I will show you a manager who has systematically played players out of position. It's called adapting, players (at least the good ones) have been doing it since the game was invented. If Bily played in his favoured position instead of Cahill, there would be uproar on here, just as there would be if JH played in his instead of mister hoofball.

Some Evertonians want their heroes playing, but they want other people to be given a chance too... give them both and they moan like fuck.
Andrew Laird
5   Posted 04/01/2011 at 16:44:05

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Moyes: "come in, sit down Diniyar. Now I've become increasingly bemused with your attitude of late especially after entrusting you with nearly 10 minutes of playing time in the last 2 months. Your attitude on the bench is a disgrace and this is your last warning. If you do not score a hat trick in the last minute of injury time when I put you on next you are out the door my boy"
Nick Parker
6   Posted 04/01/2011 at 17:03:51

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Does anyone know what has happened to Gueye?

Anyone seen him in the reserves?

If in doubt but another defender.

Terry Hayes
7   Posted 04/01/2011 at 16:43:08

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Maybe Bily could be the playmaker that we so desperately need, Arteta is clearly not the same player he was before his injury... crikey we might even have a budding Johann Cruyff on our hands.

The only thing I have ever heard of Bily saying is "I'm not a winger" when he first came.

Does anyone know if Bily has been tried at centre-mid in the reserves? I'm just curious as I think there is more to him than we've seen.

With a decent forward passing playmaker, a lot more movement in the box when attacking, especially from Anichibe, Saha and Yakubu, who are just static, we just might score a few...

Quick question: Has anyone seen Anichibe or the Yak head a ball this season?

Dennis Stevens
8   Posted 04/01/2011 at 17:16:16

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Moyes should be receiving a warning from the Board rather than dishing them out to the players. But no doubt the Board will fail to act until it's too late.
Dan Parker
9   Posted 04/01/2011 at 17:45:02

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Yak had Gueye on toast for brekkie
Gavin Ramejkis
10   Posted 04/01/2011 at 18:33:45

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He should be forced to play them, if the alternatives are another fucking defender in Wheater or that glass ankled mercenary Welsh cunt Owen we have nothing to lose. I really hope on Wednesday night Kenshite and Moyes get some bell end from the fans.
Simon Jenkins
11   Posted 04/01/2011 at 19:22:21

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#7 Dennis, why should Moyes be receiving a warning from the board?

We have 1 point less than we had at the same stage last season, and are 1 place below where we were at the same stage last season?

Hardly a massive decline, and considering the board never gave him any money to spend on new players in the summer, I'd say Moyes has done the best he could have done.

Unless you think our current crop of players are capable of much better than they are currently showing - and if that's the case, maybe your gripe should lie with the underperforming players.

The idea that the board - the CURRENT BOARD NO LESS, LED BY BILL 'NO MONEY' KENWRIGHT - giving David Moyes a warning is hysterical. The baord are the ones ultimately at fault for our plight, not Moyes.
Terry Johnson
12   Posted 04/01/2011 at 19:25:13

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I recently watched a video compilation of the goals Bily has scored for Everton and, although their hasn't been that many, the majority of them are shots from outside or around the edge of the box. Isn't that what's needed now?

The crosses to Cahill's head have been sussed out by most teams and, due to our lack of goal scoring forwards, all the attacking play falters on the edge of the box so surely it's worth having a player on the pitch who isn't afraid to give it a crack from distance.

Brian Waring
13   Posted 04/01/2011 at 19:47:19

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Simon, Moyes had his excuse for the 1st half of last season, as did many pro - moyes lads, injuries.

This season he started with a full squad, who in his opinion, and many on here,was his best squad ever, and could challenge the top 4, some even said we could win the title FFS!

So, was Moyes telling us porkies when he said his best squad ever, capable of challenging top 4 etc? Because, if he thought that, then why are we 3pts above a relegation spot, after 20 games?

Paul Henshaw
14   Posted 04/01/2011 at 20:01:22

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Simon, it may be time to throw on the hard hat and expect a bit of criticism on your comments about Moyes being untouchable over our piss poor performances.

"Moyes has done the best he could've done.......The board are at fault for our plight not Moyes.....". Yep, sure Moyes didn't have the funds in the summer and yes, the board at Everton our laughable... but these comments from your good self are wrong, blatantly wrong.

With his best squad yet (*Moyes ? Aug 10), I'm afraid our manager has systematically:

1. Refused to change a system that has clearly been found out by every other team.

2. Played players who are desperately out of form and stuck with them.

3. Dropped players who have come into a bit of form.

4. Shot the confidence of the strikers at club by playing 6 midfielders against a team who are struggling

5. Openly criticised players and defended others.

I'm sure no doubt others may have a pop at you my friend but I'm afraid Moyes is the most culpable person at why where we are.

Charles King
15   Posted 04/01/2011 at 20:17:29

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I agree with every word, Moyes of course won't do it but as a fundamental principle of how to run a team that should be rule number 1.
John Daley
16   Posted 04/01/2011 at 20:50:32

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"We have 1 point less than we had at the same stage last season, and are 1 place below where we were at the same stage last season?"

So you defend a shocking first half of the season, full of pathetic performances and piss poor managerial decisions, by pointing out we had a shocking first half of the season full of pathetic performances and piss poor managerial decisions last season as well?
Terry Hayes
17   Posted 04/01/2011 at 21:24:25

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One things for sure, Moyes wouldn't get past the first round on the Apprentice... Alan Sugar doesn't do cautious Carols, and that's just what Moyes is ? overly fucking cautious.
Colin O'Keeffe
18   Posted 04/01/2011 at 22:01:46

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There's been quite a few blues fans coming on here saying we're in serious trouble and relegation is a possibility. none of the so called experts in the media seem to think we're in trouble. However a respected sports betting site linked to The Sporting Life Website has offered some intriguing analysis.

Quoted below.

"Sooner or later, the TV pundits are going to wake up and realise the trouble Everton are in. Perhaps then the huge 40/1 quotes about them making the drop will disappear - you may want to get on now. They head into this one just three points outside the relegation zone - virtually the same position they've been in for weeks now. While the Toffees haven't played that badly, they've spectacularly failed to rectify the main deficiency in the team, namely a lack of goals. And that problem could be about to get a lot worse given top scorer Tim Cahill is now away with Australia at the Asia Cup. With the likes of Mikel Arteta and Steven Pienaar well below last season's goal tally - not to mention general standards - it's hard to see things getting a great deal better, at least until a striker is signed at some stage this month."

Maybe a defeat tomorrow will make everbody realise the mess we're in. I don't think we'll go down but it could well be a close thing unless we get some decent signings in .
Chris Sillett
19   Posted 04/01/2011 at 22:18:32

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Two points above 19th place now....defeat tomorrow is unthinkable.
James Stewart
20   Posted 04/01/2011 at 22:44:36

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I have yet to hear a defense of Moyes's tactics.

We have been playing the same tired old keep it tight and hope we nick one for over 6 years.

Moyes is tactically retarded and everyone on here could give you numerous examples. He won't grow or adapt new ways as he is either to stubborn or stupid. Either way its time for a change.
Martin Handley
21   Posted 04/01/2011 at 22:52:06

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Simon get a grip lad!

This whole season is down to Moyes and his tactical ineptitude/stubborness call it what you will and even though Tiny Tim is missing for a month and this is the perfect chance to play 2 strikers together he won't he'll overload the middle put square pegs in round wholes and completely fuck everything up.

The players no longer believe in him or that muppet Round so I wish they'd both do the decent thing and go!

But of course he won't because he's on his nice cushy £66k a week which by the way he strung out for 18 months before signing it hoping he would be given the nod by Man Utd first, I bet you'd forgotten that eh Simon.

I'm sorry but enough is enough, it's HIS team, HIS tactics, HIS FAULT!

Derek Thomas
22   Posted 05/01/2011 at 07:38:58

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Martin # 21. I can't argue with that and neither can more and more of us.

Slow motion train wreck.

It is mooted that BK only got rid of Walter coz the crowd were getting at HIM. Theres the answer, ' attack ' the organ grinder not the monkey and we may find he'll be gone quicker than you can say P45.

And yes, the Yes but who Brigade will come out.

As Eugene said...All most fuckin anyone...anyone with and Attacking bias rather than the keep it tight, try and pinch one shite we have now.

I will look with interest how 1st 11 comes out Vs Spurs, not so much the WHO, but the HOW.

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