I'm one of Cahill's biggest fans... but, barring any injuries, if Moyes persists with the starting 11 that lined up against Spurs, and it does well, when Cahill returns ? Does he go straight back into the side? ? as mentioned by one of the lads on here.
I've mentioned a few times on here how slow we have looked getting forward, and that seemed to be the pattern most games: no pace, sideways passing, no urgency ? all games Cahill has been involved in.
The other night, though, when we broke away, it was done with blinding pace, the movement off the ball was excellent, at times it looked like we had more than 11 on the pitch.
I know some will point to the fact that Spurs allow you to play like that, because they are so open, but I think it's more than that, the other night, there was a fluidity to our play, and the team looked balanced.
So... does Cahill walk back into the starting 11, just because he is our leading goalscorer???
Brian Waring, Posted 07/01/2011 at 08:33:28
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1 Posted 07/01/2011 at 14:29:57
"and the team looked balanced".
It is this balance that enables our play to be quicker as we can break quickly from both sides rather than having to find a way to get the ball over to the left. Hence the improvement when Donovan joined us last year.
Ive been proved wrong given the strikers returns this season but Ic always thought a wide left player was our priority addition during the last close season. Perhaps though with that balance the strikers might have done a bit better.
Very difficult one re Cahill but thats for debate in a months time, we have had one decent game, lets see how successful the tactic is over a month and judge then - so long as we keep playing it.
2 Posted 07/01/2011 at 14:34:09
3 Posted 07/01/2011 at 14:51:05
4 Posted 07/01/2011 at 15:07:10
As for Jags. I would much rather have Heitinga in the team than Jags.
5 Posted 07/01/2011 at 15:11:42
Brian in relation to Cahill, as good as we were the other night we still are not gona play 442 in each remaining game to the end of the saeson. This still is Moyes we are talking about & the only reason we played with 2 up top the other night was because Moyes hand was forced. If there was no Asia cup would we be having this conversation? I think not.
Look I hope Moyes does stick with the 442 for the rest of the season & if so I say play Saha with Cahill up Top. We cannot laeve out the Top scoring midfild player in the PL & Cahill has been outstanding so far.
If we win our next 4 on the trot without Cahill however...... Now that would be a nice problem to have.
6 Posted 07/01/2011 at 15:34:56
The problem should be how do you accomodate Cahill in midfield when you play two strikers
7 Posted 07/01/2011 at 15:48:09
Brian, with you on your first paragraph.
As my little lad always says to me
" We are talking about Moyes here "
So much wisdom, for a lad of 12!
8 Posted 07/01/2011 at 15:40:08
Our captain finally decided not only to support Seamus but on a number of occasions even went past him. This finally gave Seamus the opportunity to run at a full back who didn't know whether to stick or bust. This is why we looked more balanced.
Only the names changed up top, the formation didn't... and, unless Beckford can learn to control his nerves in front of goal, I would expect Cahill to move straight back in where Saha played against Spurs and Saha to move on to the shoulder of the last man ? not his game.
Beckford has to take this chance, I don't see another Prem club offering him a contract if he doesn't...
9 Posted 07/01/2011 at 15:57:19
a 4-4-2 with Cahill up front is what we have been playing all season... and it quickly resembles a 4-5-1.
10 Posted 07/01/2011 at 16:08:06
I mean Cahill should stay right up top and not fall back into the midfield as you rightly point out has been happening all season.
I have really tried to warm to Beckford & would love if he (or Yak) put his hand up for role up front. However looking at him this year even with his limited opportunities he just dosent seem to cut it as this level. Cahill is also a true blue & gives it his all each & everytime he pulls on the shirt which cant be siad for a lot of the first team this year.
11 Posted 07/01/2011 at 17:14:00
12 Posted 07/01/2011 at 17:10:21
Same as when you stick a centre mid out wide, they will always drift inside.
Also, Cahill doesn't have the pace to be a forward. It needs to be Beckford if we don't sign anyone, as he has pace and movement, which the forward line needs (lots of nifty passing in the middle, but no-one to pass to in the final 30).
So Cahill and Saha upfront, only in a 4-4-1-1 situation. If 4-4-2 (if it continues) works over the next 5 games then Cahill does not walk into the team (in my opinion, I actually think he will just waltz back in and we will revert to 4-5-1/4-4-1-1/4-1-4-1 or however it was pre-january)
13 Posted 07/01/2011 at 16:53:22
Similar to the thread after the Spurs game, DM needs to realise there are different flavours than 4-5-1 and he should realise in some games Cahill behind the striker as a midfielder will be better than other games where two strikers will be a better move.
I love Cahill for his never say never die attitude and his record against the RS but there will be some games were he would be better as a sub to change the formation.
14 Posted 07/01/2011 at 18:14:22
I too would like to see Arteta dropped, with Bily in his position. If we play 4-4-2 and need a goalscorer from midfield, I think Bily is the man.
If anything, I want to see Bily play. So at least we know whether to cut our losses or whether he has something to offer.
15 Posted 07/01/2011 at 18:28:51
if we are playing well, then no Cahill does not walk back into the team. No player should be guaranteed a place in team if teh one out there is playing well.
aye, that's about right.
What's been little mentioned is that Spurs always attack, attack, attack. And as Moyes said post-interview that will leave holes to exploit. So this gung ho worked vs Spurs, against some teams the dynamic will be different.
We shouldn't get carried away with one game. It may have been a one-off or due to it being Spurs and not some team that parks the bus, and then counter-attacks.
But, if it is working, we will stick to it, even if that means Cahill on the bench. I do not doubt that. The position we are in with so many bloody draws, we need to take risks.
But even if that happens, for some games we will want Cahill. What a nightmare decision it would be if before the Derby.
16 Posted 07/01/2011 at 19:24:18
It's great to have an attacking 4-4-2 at home and so, leave Timmy on the bench or bring him on later in the game if required.
But say against Chelsea at the Bridge, go with 4-5-1 flood midfield and play as we usually do. It's horses for courses. We know what Cahill brings to the table but Moyes MUST realise that just like snooker football is always the same game but each frame (team) will have differing characteristics and therefore different formations and stratergies will be required.
So for me it's not about what do we do when Tim comes back but how can Moyes be a better manager in his team selection and game stratergy.
17 Posted 07/01/2011 at 23:00:17
18 Posted 08/01/2011 at 02:51:21
No Plan B when shit comes to shove.
Always the same timing when subbing players.
Playing one striker at home to teams who comes to park the bus.
451 is the only way to go unless you got no choice. and sometimes changing formation way too late. (see above above about subbing players)
I'm not anti Moyes but he is frustrating with his tactical nous. Hell, any of us can take over while he goes on vacation during the league as he is that predictable.
19 Posted 08/01/2011 at 07:26:01
What about games we won when he was playing?
Cahill will walk back into the team, unless Beckford/Yak start banging them in and rightly so. For the first half of the season he was the only one who could find the net, give him the credit he deserves.
20 Posted 08/01/2011 at 08:00:29
Being able to drop your blue eye boys for the sake of the team as required by tactics or when they are not 100% fit as and when facing different opponents dictates or subbing them early when it don't work are what great managers do.
21 Posted 08/01/2011 at 11:17:57
22 Posted 08/01/2011 at 11:33:08
23 Posted 08/01/2011 at 21:21:38
For me Cahill is a luxury we can no longer afford. Martin (17) if you think he can play as well as Arteta in midfield - are you related to him? Arteta might be playing badly at present but he is a class above most if not all of our midfield- class is permanent form is temporary. Cahill has a poor first touch, no real skill in passing but is 100% committed to Everton. Arteta has touch, vision, skill and an intellect, he might be playing poorly now but he will return to his past form. Cahill will never show any of those traits.
24 Posted 09/01/2011 at 08:21:44
Just outta curiosity can you tell me when was the last time Arteta administered any of these TRAITS in a game because for me he has become our new Barry Horne.
He goes sideways with his passing on each and every opportunity and will not for what reason I dont know move forward after he has passed/laid the ball off, he just stays rooted to the spot offering no new outlet.
The old addage of class, permenant, form & temporary I agree with but the longer he keeps playing as he is and becoming a liability rather than a useful member of the team the more I believe which I have done since he signed his new contract that he should be sittting were Billy is (the bench)
He for me will always be the first name pencilled in on moyes's team sheet, when in reality he needs a proper stint on the bench for two reasons, to give him the jolt/kick up the arse he needs and secondly to take stock and hopefully regain the above traits you mentioned and which he once showed. Its been that long since I seen any of them I cant remember. He has done nothing this season other than the obvious, the RS goal. Cahill may not have any of the traits you say but IMO he more than makes up for these so called traits with other alternative TRAITS which Arteta doesnt have which I dont need to advise of as they have already been mentioned.
I hope Arteta can get back to the days when he took games by the scruff of the neck and dictated play with your said TRAITS, but he has had ample opportunities to do this against poor opponents this season and has been found wanting so I wont be holding by breath for any of his lost traits to return anytime soon.
I'm off anyway, Arteta rant over for now !
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