Just seen the team for the Derby! Not excited one bit.Anichebe in for Saha,who hasn't even made the bench.If this is a straight swap due to injury then fair enough.But why do i get the feeling that "Big" Vic will be playing from the left with Leon Osman tucking in to make a 5 man midfield?
I am submitting this now so i don't come across as trying to be wise after the event.I cannot fuckin' believe this!!! I hope i am wrong but it looks like safety first from Moyes AGAIN!
After the last 2 games i would have respected Moyes more if he had brought in James Vaughan to partner Beckford! I don't rate Victor and i think we should attack from the very first minute.
Right, match about to start, let's see how we do... I've got to say that this season i am starting to run out of patience with Moyes! I hope i am wrong.COYB.
Lee Courtliff, Posted 16/01/2011 at 13:55:34
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1 Posted 16/01/2011 at 16:01:51
The penalty was outrageous and should not have been given.
Second half 60% of the possession to us, and we score 2 goals, with a sublime pass by Osman and a cracking finish by Beckford.
But once the shite had the penalty, we did a lot of huffing and puffing but not much else, no doubt stunned by the retarded decision by the ref to give the penalty that never was.
I really don't know what we are supposed to do to win a match at analfield. Seems no matter what we do, we always seem to come away with a god damned draw. Today we should have come away with all 3 points, we deserved it more, pressured them more in the second half, and again for nothing.
Why he shoved Bily on instead of Guyere is beyond me.
Fella I thought had a great game, really hussled the midfield which is always great to see. However the biggest piss off in this match was saha going missing yet again claiming injury.
2 more points lost rather than 1 gained imo
2 Posted 16/01/2011 at 16:23:03
Great to see Vaughan given a run out at the end, pity he was on his own up front for the 20 minutes or so that he was on the pitch. He should have left Beckford on in my opinion, but appeared to settle for a draw again.
For me it was a definite penalty. Even though Maxi went down extremely easily, the minute Howard came out like he did the ref had no choice.
Overall I am frustrated, I honestly believe we are a better team than them but for whatever reason it's just not happening for us up front, even when we started with two up front like today.
3 Posted 16/01/2011 at 16:30:16
James, I agree Felli had a great game although his pass across the box before half-time had me wanting to throttle him. Have you seen much of Gueye play? I haven't so cant say he should be on ahead of Bily. But I do find Bily frustrating.
4 Posted 16/01/2011 at 16:26:25
It was a slow first half for us. I would have liked to see Rodwell start instead of Osman, but it looked like a 4-4-2 set-up, so in that respect fair play to Moyes for keeping with it. Coleman didnt get much opportunities to shine, Victor wasnt the best and Vaughan didnt get a chance to do much. I am glad Beckford scored, he took his chance very well. So let's keep the 4-4-2 going!
Finally, as for Piennar, I wont miss him. He was a good engine type player for the team, and linked up well with Baines last season, but he very rarely scores goals and has a weak shot as the best of times. A squad buy for Chelsea and nothing more.
5 Posted 16/01/2011 at 16:48:44
It was a good point, although a bit gutted after taking the lead. We need Moyes to draft in a couple of loan signings. Osman on the left is a no go! I can't believe how slow he is, I haven't ran for 10 years, but I reckon I could beat him over 50 yards, no danger.
6 Posted 16/01/2011 at 17:02:39
I thought we did okay today, good 20 minute spell in the 2nd half but overall a draw was a fair result.
7 Posted 16/01/2011 at 17:14:25
I wish we could change the manager, as everything is getting stale around the club. This was one of the worst Liverpool teams ever and their supporters are saying how can we watch this crap ? and guess what, I agree with them ? Moyes out! (we're going backwards with him).
8 Posted 16/01/2011 at 17:11:20
I think it was a definite penalty ? a rush of blood to the head by Tim Howard. Does anyone out there know when we last got a penalty at Anfield? Me and a mate reckon it was 1988. I am not saying that we should have done today ? but if it is 1988 then it is rather a long time and a bit of a damning stat re Referees. Overall, I thought the Ref did a good job though I reckon Torress got away with a few sly digs here and there.
Personally before the game I would have settled for a draw but I was disappointed that we "gift wrapped" the penalty for them. If the equaliser had been a brilliant volley or fantastic overhead kick or some other example of brilliant play, then there's nothing that you can do... but when you give away a stupid penalty it is very annoying.
Thought it was very poor defending by Johnson on the line for our equaliser!! No wonder England have struggled with him playing in the defence!!! Pleased for both Distin and Beckford. No wonder the lad struggled as a lone striker ? it's hard enough for strikers of international experience ? but to ask a guy with no Premier League experience to take on that role is a very big ask, and shows poor judgement by Moyes.
I hope Moyes is willing to give 4-4-2 a decent chance. I am not saying ditch 4-5-1 forever but it's been brilliant these last few games when we have played a different formation. You could actually think before a game ? what formation will we play!!? Instead of knowing it will be 4-5-1 all the time!!!
9 Posted 16/01/2011 at 17:37:35
10 Posted 16/01/2011 at 18:31:38
This is a lad who wears a vest saying 'GOD IS GREAT', and who comes from a piss poor country, he should be greatful for what Everton has given him
11 Posted 16/01/2011 at 19:06:04
12 Posted 16/01/2011 at 19:05:04
13 Posted 16/01/2011 at 19:11:48
To be honest, I'm just gutted he's going, I thought we really missed him and Saha today.
And exactly where is the cash going, what we do get for Pienaar?
14 Posted 16/01/2011 at 22:24:18
15 Posted 17/01/2011 at 01:13:07
What does anichebe offer?? He's built like a heavy weight yet got knocked off the ball by that midget spearing!! He's shit just like his attitude. Were 12th in league and let's be honest that's about as good as we are I'm afraid. Those who dreamt of top 4 finishes mustve been deluded. With a strike force like today's we've have no chance!! Can anyone remember a worse front two pairing?? Alan Biley and Mick ferguson maybe!!!
16 Posted 17/01/2011 at 02:13:10
17 Posted 17/01/2011 at 07:24:47
Both players did well - and if you can't recognise that then you must have been in another universe yesterday afternoon. Beckford is in his first season as a Premiership player and sometimes it shows. However, he has great potential and given a decent run in the team, and playing alongside another striker for some of the time ( I don't want all you Moyes - boys advocates of 4-5-1 to think that anyone would be in favour of dropping a formation that has won us ........) it may benefit him and the team.
Given time I think we will find that we have in Beckford a very good striker. But if you carry on giving him stick - drive him away and watch him flourish at another club.
Anichebe has a poor scoring record - but he has often been played out of position and he has a decent "assist" record e.g. he played a major part in making the second goal.
Vaughan - still only 21 isn't he - with hopefully his best years ahead of him. All of 15 minutes of action and he didn't change the game . Of course all substitues do that don't they?
Here's an interesting concept/principle/attitude that might be a bit unusual or just downright radical and dare I say it revolutionary. How about giving some of our players a chance ? A game I play sometimes is to guess which Blues players will get slagged off by Evertonians - Neville, Anichebe, Vaughan, Beckford - you can predict some of the players who will come in for stick - even before a ball is kicked in a game. Prejudice anyone ?.............surely not.
18 Posted 17/01/2011 at 09:22:47
I know there are more than a few on here who love to slag off some players regardless of how they perform. I don't. But you'll never convince me either of those 2 are anything but championship players. Just coz beckford has a bit of pace doesn't make him a quality player. If were happy with players of their quality then we really have given up. NSNO?? Yeah right!!
19 Posted 17/01/2011 at 12:20:38
There have been other examples of so called " late starters", players who have missed out on joining clubs when they were younger/have been turned down by some clubs. It happened to Ian Wright, he was turned down by a couple of clubs. We also have the example of Alan Stubbs - who Everton thought wouldn't make the grade and we were proved wrong!!!.
I think there is more to Beckford than pace - his goal yesterday showed that. I believe that if given the opportunity to show what he can do ,he could turn out to be a very good signing. After all we didn't have to pay out mega millions for him did we ?
If both Beckford and Anichebe are as bad as you make out I don't believe we would be around mid table -I think we would be firmly at the bottom of the table.
I can remember being on teaching practice in March 1976 and in the Staff Room one of the teachers was reading the sports pages when he remarked - " I see Everton are doing their team building from Luton Town these days". The player he was "rubbishing" was Andy King - I wonder if he had changed his mind by October 1978 ? You don't have to pay mega millions to sign good players.
20 Posted 17/01/2011 at 20:56:20
" I know Ian Wright. Jermaine Beckford is no Ian Wright"
There was a good reason why there wasnt a huge queue trying to secure his services (even on a free) last year!!
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