Since Cahill Tim has been at the Asian Cup, and Moyes' decision to go with 2 out and out strikers (and our up-turn in form), there has been continued debate on this site as to what we should do when Tim returns.
I don't think anyone can doubt Tim's importance to our team, his goals return is phenomenal, his work rate second to none, and he winds the opposition up brilliantly. Without being exactly a world class player, and certainly less skillful and gifted than one or two of our other players, he has become our most important players.
But, despite his g oals this season, I think most of us would agree that our 4-5-1 system which accomodates him has pretty much been found out by other teams. I also think most of us have really liked seeing us play with two strikers.
So, what do we do when Tim returns? Keep him on the bench, use him in a four man midfield, or revert to type? I was giving this some thought, and i think there is an alternative. Basically, i think an option worth considering is switching to the 3-5-2 formation.
I realise this is a set-up which has a lot of critics, and is one that is rarely used in England, but i think we have the personnel to make it work. with Heitinger, Jags and Distin across the back, Seamus and Bainsy as the wing backs, Fellaini and Arteta in the middle as they have been, and Tim playing his usual role, but this time behind Beckford and Saha/Vic/Whoever. I know this formation has its shortcomings, but I think we'd have a very solid spine with Fellaini in front of three very good defenders, who would balance very well, and Seamus and Baines I think are tailor made for the wing back roles.
Tim would have the freedom to do his usual job of getting stuck in in midfeild, and bursting into the opposition box. He certainly works best breaking from midfield rather than being used as a striker, which frankly just seems desperate. With the pace of someone like beckford and the class of an in form Saha, or the power of Anichebe and the brilliantly timed late runs of Tim we'd have a lot of threat going forward, especially with the deliveries of Baines and Coleman's ability to get to the line.
Fellaini would have to be extra discplined to protect the back four when Baines and Coleman burst forward, but I think he's easily up to the job, and once Mikky gets back in form he can pull the strings in the middle. An advantage of the particular personnel in the line up is that, if things aren't going well we can easily switch to a 4-4-2 formation, with Heitinga, Jags, Distin and Baines across the back, and Seamus, Tim, Fellaini and Arteta across the middle, with of course the added options of changes from the bench.
I'm not 100% convinced this change would work. I can't think of an English team who play this way, and i doubt Moyes has much experience of coaching it, and everbody involved would have to be extremely well drilled, but I think it potentially offers a solution to a quandry Moyes will certainly face when Tim returns.
Nathan O'Hagan, Posted 21/01/2011 at 22:50:32
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1 Posted 22/01/2011 at 01:13:55
2 Posted 22/01/2011 at 01:10:54
3 Posted 22/01/2011 at 01:20:28
A back 3 is no good when the opposition use one forward, leaving two extra men who can push back the two wing backs, leaving their full backs to supplement the midfield. No go...
4 Posted 22/01/2011 at 05:12:51
5 Posted 22/01/2011 at 06:36:48
We'd get crucified down the flanks with balls in behind the wingbacks.
I don't know of any teams in the top leagues in europe that play it anymore.
Everything is either 451, 442 or 433 nowadays.
6 Posted 22/01/2011 at 07:40:48
7 Posted 22/01/2011 at 07:58:31
Thats fair, isnt it ?
8 Posted 22/01/2011 at 08:25:41
You say, as if it's a drawback, that no other teams play this way. I would argue that it's a positive factor. Play to your strenghts!
As for the problem of three centre backs defending one forward. Firstly, a lot of teams have now abandoned 4-5-1, with success. Secondly, Heitinga's strength, in comparison to the other two, is his distribution. He can also carry the ball into midfield, although he is not a midfielder. He. or Rodwell, could maximise the extra space while helping Fellaini to deal with the opposition's attacking strenghts.
9 Posted 22/01/2011 at 10:22:05
Back to the main point Tim and the 451 thing. If Arteta continues to stink the place out then, Tim is in in his place, and the 442 can go on to glory ( or not )
But like it or not the EPL has changed, the old 451 dial up version has gone and the broadband more flexible attacking version is here.
10 Posted 22/01/2011 at 10:45:44
11 Posted 22/01/2011 at 10:39:37
All we needed was another Baines on the right, well we got Coleman and now we need both a Pienaar on the left AND on the right. 2 steps forward and 1 back.
But hey ho, if Moyes is prepared to base his whole team around ONE player eg Cahill.
Now we have 2 wingbacks that 'could' make 352 work maybe he will base it on them.
12 Posted 22/01/2011 at 11:33:04
13 Posted 22/01/2011 at 11:43:36
- only one obvious attacker
- three other players who are attacking-minded and good on the ball, interchange positions, and who can get into scoring postions
- two midfield player who keep some positional discipline and who can drop back particularly when the full-backs are attacking
- full-backs who can play
If you accept that my view is that Everton have a surfeit of good 'sitting midlfielders', a good attacking midfielder in Cahill, but no-one to play outside of them.
14 Posted 22/01/2011 at 12:33:01
All the Moyes out brigade on here one of the biggest criticisms is not playing the best players in their best positions well this looks to me set up with our best players all in their best positions.
Tony 6 playing Cahill up front 442 would just become 451 when he retreats to mid field leaving the other striker isolated.
great post Nathan
15 Posted 22/01/2011 at 12:42:51
However i share the fear that its a problematic formation. Which is why its so rarely used by any top teams nowadays.
Also, i think we all know there is about as much chance of Moyesy trying a radical new formation as there is of us snapping up Lionel Messi in a £100m transfer deadline day shock of all shocks.
The Cahill conundrum will be an interesting one. Personally i think it may ironically be best for the team at the moment if despite being one of our best players, he is used as an impact sub. The mobility that 2 out and out strikers gives us makes us look so much more fluent and is why we have scored 9 goals in our last 3 games. If we are defending bring him on for a striker to go 451 if we are attacking bring him on for a defender or midfielder to give us another attacking option.
16 Posted 22/01/2011 at 14:13:39
17 Posted 22/01/2011 at 17:57:21
18 Posted 23/01/2011 at 06:57:00
But the cynical conspirisist in me might believe that Moyes is deliberately fucking it up to justify putting Tim right back in.
It's all water under the bridge now but Baines and Pienaar played like 2 and a half men, but Baines and Osman like one and a half.
19 Posted 23/01/2011 at 19:04:49
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