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Having finally collected my thoughts on today's performance, I am beginning to wonder whether I watch the same game as Moyes. I'm confused constantly by his decision making either in initial team selection or when trying to change things. Does he think last weeks performance warranted an unchanged team today?

At the moment Arteta is stinking the place out, although I have to say today he was a little better. If he is to retain his place what about pushing him out wide right or left? Rodwell is touted as one of Englands best prospects yet he can't get a game in a midfield that is clearly misfiring big time.

The wins against City and Spurs unfortunately are papering over the cracks in Moyes's tactics. I'm also thinking that if he is going to stick with 4-4-2 he needs to start playing Coleman at right back. Neville offers nothing going forward in support of a midfield 4. Today he was poor, is the Tottenham talk affecting him?

Why did Moyes take off Beckford at half time? Lots of people seem unsure about him but he constantly gets in scoring positions, he makes good runs but rarely gets the right ball played to him. Taking him off at half time will damage his confidence and also appears to make him a scapegoat for the teams failings. I'm sorry but last time I checked the most important thing to do is to keep a clean sheet! (How many this season?)

Distin is immense after his shaky game v United, Heitinga is a better passer from defence than Jagielka although he passed it straight out twice today, Baines is playing really well, Neville is ok defensively, but weak going forward, Howard is a great shot stopper but has dropped a few clangers this season. Collectively there is something wrong we need to start keeping clean sheets.

Osman is a squad player and nothing else. He is talented but to lightweight to hold down a regular place, today Moyes makes 3 substitutions yet Osman plays the full 90. Go figure? Is it me, an Evertonian of 40 years, through good,bad and awful, or does Moyes know best and should never be questioned (as per Sharpy on the City phone-in, and all the other Moyes apologists)


andy roberts, Mold     Posted 22/01/2011 at 20:22:51

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Tony J Williams
1   Posted 23/01/2011 at 00:52:21

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Arteta wasn't any better today Andy and Osman was gash. That is all!
James Stewart
2   Posted 23/01/2011 at 00:59:21

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Here Here Tony.

Arteta used to be one of my favourite players but any fondness is being quickly driven away. He was shocking today and if I never saw him play for us again I would be pleased at present. Horrible dead balls. horrible from open play. Why take corners and free kicks if you know you are shit at them?! He needs to be dropped and I don't care who for.
Kevin Elliott
3   Posted 23/01/2011 at 00:39:52

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When I saw the starting line up, I thought, here we go again. Can't understand why Saha didn't start up front with Becks. They work well together for me. I honestly thought that Bily would start too.

Arteta was crap. Never thought I'd hear myself saying that but he was. He needs to spend some time on the bench... maybe it'll shake him up a bit.

Thank god for Fellaini MotM.... What the hell is going on?

Tony J Williams
4   Posted 23/01/2011 at 01:03:10

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Moyes should bite the bullet, drop Arteta and bring in Jack to see what happens with the team then. It can't be any worse as to what is happening now.
Jeremy Rishardson
5   Posted 23/01/2011 at 01:02:41

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Your absolutely right Andy - you do know far more than David Moyes and you should, without and doubt, be Evertons next manager.

Why the media haven't picked up on this is beyond me.
Kase Chow
6   Posted 23/01/2011 at 01:18:02

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How can you say Bains plays well???

Yes OFFENSIVELY he's great BUT

Defensively (his prime job), the guy is w**k. I'm still FUMING he behaved like a 5 yr old girl last week vs the shite for Merieles goal (why has no one mentioned this???? If u can't take a ball in the face then F**k off) and today he lost his man for Spectors goal

Does Bains KNOW how to defend? The guy is a wind up (he was crap against Man Ure too when 2 crosses came from his side cos he refused to close down)

Provide better analysis please Sir
Gareth Hughes
7   Posted 23/01/2011 at 01:22:37

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I am far from Moyes' biggest fan but it seems obvious that this once great club is dying on its arse due to the way it has been run at the very top. The players and manager clearly know that no new players are likely to arrive and its being reflected in performances and demeanour. £3 mill for Piennaar, an £850 000 loan fee for Yakubu plus £100 000 off the wage bill every week and Moyes says that he can only aim for one loan signing. That means that around £4 million pound has just gone, just disappeared and yet the Echo procliams 'Moyes aims to spend the Piennaar money' which is clearly an absolute lie! How can we as fans expect to get any answers when even the local press are in on the whole disgusting cover up. Truly, our only hope is for Moyes to resign and completely nail the Chairman, whose name I can't even bear to type, to the wall. No one else is going to do it
Liu Weixian
8   Posted 23/01/2011 at 04:13:53

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Arteta was unimpressive; he contributed nothing. His movement was not sharp and his delivery equally hopeless. If it had not been for the sheer passion and class of Fellaini our midfield would have been overrun.

I don't know why Osman was in the team and what exactly he did or was supposed to do in the game. He definitely has the class of a Conference player. We should offload him to free up some wages.

Anichebe. Where was he playing exactly? As a striker or in left midfield? I saw him in the first half and he looked like he just ran a marathon. He is built like a tank and yet he has the mileage of a car bound for the scrap heap. Again, we should sell him.

Why did Moyes not start with Bily and Gueye? Apart from Baines and maybe Coleman, Bily is the ONLY player who has the confidence and technique to crack one in from range. Why pay so much money for him when we are not going to play him?! He is a Russian international and he is not good enough for a starting berth?

With Pienaar gone and us playing a basement club, it was the perfect stage for Gueye to impress. Sadly, he never had the chance to get some premier League experience under his belt. I feel sorry for the poor lad. He should have joined the Shite. At least he would have gotten some decent time under that slimeball Dalglish. Joining Everton could be a career-ending move for him. No young footballer deserves this kind of abuse.

Phil Neville was poor as a rightback and offered nothing as a wingback. The first goal we conceded Coleman had to sprint back to track his man when it was SUPPOSED to have been done by Neville. All too often we saw Coleman isolated near the byline and Neville was always at least 50 yards behind him. Absolutely no support for his winger!

The passing of the team was laboured. 10-15 yard passes in midfield with little end product and the player with the ball often had NO players in support to pass it to. Where is the basic 'pass and move'? When professionals cannot even apply such basics, the the manager and the coaching staff have to take the blame.

Moyes can take a taxi! I don't mind paying for his fare!







Michael Kidd
9   Posted 23/01/2011 at 07:29:55

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No pace.
Lee Courtliff
10   Posted 23/01/2011 at 08:42:01

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In fairness,Osman did well,very well,to beat his man(nutmeg) and put the ball in the box which led to the Fellaini equaliser.I would definitely pick Billy though,the boy has got a lot of quality.And we ain't gonna get that out of him if he's sat on the bench!
Chris Halliday
11   Posted 23/01/2011 at 09:11:06

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overall I am now great fan of the Yak and at the end of the season we should cash in, but there is something I don't understand.

Moyes says we are desperate for a striker and we're looking for a loanee-but admits this will be a gamble.

therefore, why did he then loan one of the the league's all time leading scorers to a championship club, and in doing so leave us with anichebe and beckford upfront on sat-neither which are anywhere near his quality.

who are we going to get in on loan at the moment that would have been better than the yak?

can anyone else explain that one.
Mike Hughes
12   Posted 23/01/2011 at 09:19:43

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Chris @ #11

I don't get the Yak situation either. He seemed to get dropped after playing well in the Goodison derby.

EFC defy logic this season - we are a mess.

Arteta should be ashamed with his performances yet Moyes is apparently not brave enough to shake things up.
Screw the egos in the dressing room.

I think we can (just) scramble enough decent players together from our squad to stay up - but it's going to take some hard decisions / leadership.

Give Bily a run, with midfield of Fellaini, Rodwell and Coleman. Beckford needs 70 mins(min), not 45.
Micheal Lynch
13   Posted 23/01/2011 at 09:24:31

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As regards Arteta I taught he had an ok first half. He was no worse than any of or other players throughout with the exception of Distin and Fellani. He needs quality around him to pass and move the ball. To-day when he looked right he saw Neville and when left Osman. Hardly inspiring.Our ability to pass and move the ball is woeful and its simply the lack of quality we have. Coleman tries hard but is at best going to be a squad player in a team challenging for the top 4. Arteta suffers here and in a 4-4-2 system he sits deeper and his game needs quality around him. I also believe he is suffering the same depression us fans are . He like many of us seems to have given up. What was he promised in the summer?. This is the season Mikel stay with us we are going places . Then he sees Piennar leave. The yak , What has went on their, plays well in the derby and cant get a game since. Loaned to a championship side and we talking about getting a striker on loan. Who thje hell is going to be better than the Yak and added to that we start playying 4-4-2, a system which would suit him but what do we do loan him out. Something stinks at Goodison . For me all the fans have just accepted it and players like Arteta who actually care are been affected as well. hence the drop in standards, Kenright out
Kase Chow
14   Posted 23/01/2011 at 01:18:02

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Andrew Clare
15   Posted 23/01/2011 at 09:44:40

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The club is slowly dying. It is like a business that is being run down for closure.
Without major investment we are doomed.
Once the Mersey millionaires we are now nigh on the poorest club in the top division.
Bill Kenwright must now put the club up for sale.
The manger and the players are not to blame. As business cannot progress without constant investment it is as simple as that!
Colin Potter
16   Posted 23/01/2011 at 09:37:58

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Jeremy Richardson,
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
And I for one do think that Andy Roberts could do a better job than moyes, because moyes is gutless and clueless, and the sooner he has the decency to walk away from this once great club of ours the better.
Gavin Ramejkis
17   Posted 23/01/2011 at 09:51:00

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A terrible game and as many have already said since when should we feel grateful walking away from a dreadful game happy with a point against the bottle of the table side?

Given a relegation battle, from what I have seen over too many games this season, DM isn't capable of putting out a side that can win.

I've said it in another thread but here goes again:

Saha and Beckford are our best striker pairing yet DM chose Anichebe who looked like a young fat Yakubu without the goalscoring ability, then takes Beckford off???

Arteta stinks the place out week in week out, its got to be over a year since his set pieces actually beat the first man yet he still takes them, Picquionne cleared every corner unmarked

If Gueye is seriously that bad a winger compared to Osman and we are skint then WHY is he still on the books???

Fellaini MoTM by a country mile but I personally suspect that without the dismissal of Picquionne he never would have got the space for the equaliser but he covered every blade of grass and I think the only other player's job he didn't do today was the keeper.

Baines looking poor but because he was subjected to what should be known as the "fucked over by Moyes by putting Osman in front of him as a winger syndrome" the other great example of that being Tony Hibbert at the FA Cup Final, Baines doesn't have an overlapping player anymore so you'll see a lot less crosses from one of the best we have on the books unless he ignores his defensive duties and goes alone but that leaves a bloody big hole on that side.

Wonder what the excuses will be next week?
Andy Roberts
18   Posted 23/01/2011 at 11:00:34

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jeremy - thanks for your vote of confidence but I don't want the job thanks.
Your right Moyes is the answer to all our woes and I know jack about football! All i want is what's best for this once great club.
Mike Bates
19   Posted 23/01/2011 at 12:15:01

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Kase Chow : Baines is a decent defender, when he has a player who will stick to playing wide left infront of him helping him out. Piennar did that. Osman drifts into the middle too much, leaving his full back, which ever flank he plays on, defending against two players for the majority of the game.

Seeing as he's offered more than Mikel - 2 assists in two games when he's been moved more central - how about Osman keeping his place for Arteta with Bily or the french kid to play left wing.

Tony Cheek
20   Posted 23/01/2011 at 12:55:20

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I agree Andy. Once again Moyes makes a complete hash of things, Bringing Beckford off instead of Anichebe was a major blunder. I cant think of another PL club that would offer Anichebe a contract. Should have been shown the door years ago.
Against Liverpool, Beckford was withdrawn for Vaughn. Why? When has Vaughn turned a game around. A substitution just to change the team, not to change it for the better.
Tom Bowers
21   Posted 23/01/2011 at 13:58:31

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Generally all the same comments that we see after another inadequate performance and most of them good arguments. Collectively Everton do not play compactly and are all over the place making it easy for other teams even bottom feeders West Ham to play against them.

Only a couple of players played well over the 90 minutes but others were in and out and even Coleman had a poor game. Osman had some nice touches but far too often disappears for spells. Arteta played well but not with the intensity we have become used to and Fellaini makes too many errors.

Moyes must take the blame as he persists with the same plan. There has to be a change for next season otherwise it's more of the same old crap.

Despite all the draws we must not say we are hard to beat rather that we are not really good enough to beat any team in this league despite the odd win here and there.

Michael Upton
22   Posted 23/01/2011 at 18:56:57

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Lee #10, well said.
I'm sick of the fact that whenever we fail to win and win handsomely the stick always goes in the same direction - ie to Leon Osman.

Last week he created Beckford's goal at Anfield by drawing three players and slipping a pass through, yesterday he helped to save a point by beating his man and whipping in the cross from which Fellaini equalised. But according to Tony J Williams (#1), he was gash.

Osman may not have been any better than anyone else but to single him out is just lazy and ridiculous.

What I saw yesterday was a well-organised West Ham with nothing to lose and a tentative Everton midfield hamstrung by the fact that whenever they passed the ball forward, Anichebe or Beckford were beaten in the air or out-muscled.

For me, taking Beckford off was the wrong choice, it should have been Anichebe, and Arteta, while improving, is still nowhere near top form. He is however, still a quality player, and the idiot behind me who derided him yesterday with a frankly racist insult should be ashamed of himself.

That was certainly too points dropped but the players certainly can't be faulted for fight or determination at the break.

It was a poor performance all round, but lay off Osman for 5 minutes, eh?

Blame Hibbert instead...
Brian Waring
23   Posted 23/01/2011 at 19:22:49

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Michael, I don't understand how you could say West Ham had nothing to lose, when you could apply the same logic to us, we had nothing to lose.

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