I can't believe what's now going on with some Evertonians.
Apparently Fellaini can do no wrong and Arteta can do no right but, from where I sit, I see them both struggling a bit and the fact of the matter is they do not look like they can play together effectively enough.
Last week against Liverpool, Fellaini was chasing shadows in the first half, totally unable to stop the Liverpool midfield creating attack after attack. He finished the half with his horror pass straight to Maxi Rodriguez on the edge of our box. But somehow he becomes Man of the Match.
Yesterday, against West Ham, he was clearly struggling early on and lost possession in the Everton half on several occasions. Again, he was praised after the game. On the other hand, Arteta is getting panned re his apparent horror shows.
Let's be clear: Arteta is not at his best and looks uncomfortable in his partnership with Fellaini... but he is certainly not playing as badly as some Evertonians seem to think.
I find it amazing that when Fellaini loses possession there is silence in the ground as though no-one has noticed it but, when Arteta makes a poor pass, all hell lets loose. It's just crazy and some Evertonians are very blinkered.
It is obvious to me that Fellaini is not the great defensive midfielder Evertonians want him to be. He can't tackle properly and he is too slow to cover the defence properly, too slow to get a good tackle in, too slow on the turn. Yesterday, all his best work was done when he was moved up front and he started to cause problems for the West Ham defence.
Against the trend, I know... but, for the Chelsea game next week, I would go with the 5-man midfield with Fellaini playing in the Cahill role and Rodwell being used as the anchorman. That would be far better for the balance of the midfield and better than moving Arteta wide. 4-4-2 didn't work against West Ham and it won't against Chelsea.
But please, Fellaini is not paying fantastic and Arteta is not the pits. It's somewhere in the middle and the simple fact is they have not been playing well together.
Arteta has been one of our classiest and best players in recent years and it's time some Evertonians gave him the respect he deserves before he too thinks it's time to leave.
If you want to show your frustration, aim it at Moyes who has not found the right balance/team all season. He should carry the can for the mess we are now in.
Ged Dwyer, Posted 23/01/2011 at 18:51:51
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1 Posted 23/01/2011 at 22:29:07
Arteta is falling way below the mark. He is appalling at set-pieces and I know the feeling of frustration / irritation at those hopeless corners and free kicks
2 Posted 23/01/2011 at 22:36:09
Arteta isn't playing terribly, he's just not living up to the high expectations we hold for him. I just fail to believe that someone with his ability won't come good at some stage.
3 Posted 23/01/2011 at 22:40:36
When he wants to leave which will be quite soon once the rot has set in even further there will be a massive queue of clubs for him. As a midfielder he has it all, shame hes playing in the first team of EFC manged by a dour out of touch stubborn manager, were fucking shite.
4 Posted 23/01/2011 at 22:41:25
5 Posted 23/01/2011 at 22:56:39
6 Posted 23/01/2011 at 23:01:27
7 Posted 23/01/2011 at 22:59:23
Fella is turning out to be a fantastic buy in my opinion. Arteta is off the boil and will be till he gets rested or pushed out wide for a game or two. He has forgotten how to push forward from midfield... a loss of confidence perhaps?
However Moyes has had 20+ games to get things right and has failed to do so. Very poor. Bily has got to play more, at least he knows where the net is.
Still not knowing your best team this deep into the season... I cant believe it has got this far. The decision to let Yak go is also appalling. We need a 20 goal a season man... well we had one and we killed his confidence before letting him go out on loan. Seriously.
8 Posted 23/01/2011 at 23:01:58
Crossing the ball from set pieces has always been Arteta's weakness, something Moyes should have sorted out a long time ago, but if he can't cross a ball why the hell would you want to play him out wide !
9 Posted 23/01/2011 at 23:20:53
I reckon he could seemlessly fit in in the world's best teams and we are very luck to have him.
Arteta is trying hard, but just not doing it these days, and i cant figure out why this is as regards on the pitch. So it has to be something in his mindset not being right.
10 Posted 23/01/2011 at 23:39:04
He's the better player at the moment - no contest. It's a crying shame that the pair have never chimed together due to injuries or suspensions. If they chimed we would destroy most sides. Fellaini's energy, ball retention combined with Mikkel's vision would hammer a lot of teams, especially given that Coleman is now shooting with both feet!
11 Posted 23/01/2011 at 23:41:04
12 Posted 23/01/2011 at 23:44:48
13 Posted 23/01/2011 at 23:47:37
I say Baines or Coleman take over. Or Hibbert. Or Steve Round. Or one of the Toffee ladies.
What's Stuart Barlow doing these days?
14 Posted 23/01/2011 at 23:48:20
The team and formation needs to be played around with to try and get the best out of everyone. Fellaini has been good for the most part of most games but i wouldnt say he has been near his best either.
15 Posted 23/01/2011 at 23:52:23
In the derby Fellaini was covering for the lack of Heitenga's errr....HEIGHT. At Upton Park last month he was constantly making the more progressive passes up the flanks. Arteta was awful both times. I like Mikkel but he's simply not showing much at the moment whereas Felli is putting proper shifts in.
16 Posted 23/01/2011 at 23:56:23
I reckon that would be good with Saha and Beckford up top but it is dependant on one player who is currently bottling things. We sold the other bottle job so guess who I am referring to??
17 Posted 24/01/2011 at 00:07:09
Fellaini along with Distin, Baines and possibly Coleman have been the only positives this season.
Why has Arteta been holding hands with the CB's for the majority of the season? Why is he playing so deep? It has nothing to do with Fellaini but everything to do with the manager not risking a player getting ahead of the ball in case we lose possession.
If both of our central midfielders are playing deep (which they are,) and the only players in front of them are strikers who are miles away from them they leave a massive space in front of them both for the opposition to attack. This gives the opposition an age on the ball to find a telling pass or shot, or enough space for runners to fill and be near impossible to pick up without drawing a CB out.
If anything, Arteta is stepping on Fellaini's toes and should be earning his money practicing free kicks/ corners/ through balls/ shooting. If the manager allowed an ounce of creativity, flair, let a player think for themselves or took a chance instead of being set up to play Barcelona and keep our shape for 90 minutes we would be a better team for it.
18 Posted 24/01/2011 at 00:08:25
Yes we might get caught out from time time but i would have the confidence in the Everton players being better than most of the other teams in the league that they would score more goals than the opposition.
If it wasn't working i would bring Rodwell on for either Beckford or Saha but have Rodwell playing as an attacking midfielder, moving Arteta out to the left with Fellaini holding.
19 Posted 24/01/2011 at 07:13:00
I believe that with Arteta, it's a confidence thing. He has never really looked the same since his injury, and I just hope that he isn't going the same way that Yakubu went. Moyes should force Arteta to play further forward as a playmaker, ala Sneijder or Ozil or van der Vaart to stop Arteta being so conservative.
20 Posted 24/01/2011 at 07:29:13
The point is it happens to every player - a mistake, a bad game or a run of bad form. Yes every player - past present and future!!
Arteta is clearly not having a good run or at best an inconsistent run of form - but how does the saying go? - " Form is temporary - Class is permanent". Let's remember that before we start slagging off players.
21 Posted 24/01/2011 at 07:44:45
Fact: Fellaini have been wastly superior to Arteta this season, why? Because Fellaini does what his role in the team asks of him. He runs, tackles and picks upt balls an masse. Arteta on the other hand drifts out of games and mainly pass the ball backwards or sideways when his role is supposed to be creative.
Fellaini have not been awesome, but he is doing what is asked of him and then some.
I also wholeheartedly disagree to put him in the Cahill-role. He excels in the deep position and why do we always have to remove players from their best position?
22 Posted 24/01/2011 at 07:52:02
In Arteta's defense I don't think he's got his confidence back after his injury plus Moyes is playing him far too deep for his creativity to come through.
I've got a horrible feeling we could've seen the best of him though, which I guess is balanced by knowing we've not seen the best of Marouanne. The boys going to be a worldy, shame it won't be in a blue shirt.
23 Posted 24/01/2011 at 08:17:45
fellaini never played as well as he has and yet he still was responsible for us getting anything out of the game by setting up one and scoring another and that says alot of how important he is to us.
WHEN we cash in on him to a better team watch what he does.
24 Posted 24/01/2011 at 08:26:25
Before he got injured he was playing great, but for how many games was that vein of form and how many games were against top opposition? as for years he had been out wide and the centre mid posistion was fairly new to him in an Everton shirt before he got injured.
People are asking why is he playing so deep when we have Fellaini in that role, my opinion is he does not have the legs and engine to be a marauding centre mid and we should throw him out wide and give Rodwell that job.
25 Posted 24/01/2011 at 08:48:09
26 Posted 24/01/2011 at 09:16:36
Fellaini is immense and has been our best player this season whereas Arteta is completely out of form. How anyone can not see that is completely beyond me. The suggestion that fans are ignoring when Fellaini hits a misplaced pass is ridiculous.
27 Posted 24/01/2011 at 09:22:57
28 Posted 24/01/2011 at 09:27:56
29 Posted 24/01/2011 at 09:43:54
He has composure, intelligence, can pass and tackle and of course his height is such a useful tool both offensively and defensively.
I will be very surprised if, at our current rate of progression, he is still with us in 3 or 4 seasons time. £20 m move to one of the big boys. Mark my words.
Arteta, sadly has been pants.
30 Posted 24/01/2011 at 09:56:15
31 Posted 24/01/2011 at 10:30:48
Fellaini was good againest Liverpool, awesome againest Spurs and saved us a point againest West Ham.
He is most definatly not slow either.
32 Posted 24/01/2011 at 10:34:34
33 Posted 24/01/2011 at 10:43:45
I've been saying the same thing about Fellaini in the last couple of matches and have been watching only him to see what he does to deserve his immense status among our supporters and I've failed to see it except for his goal on Saturday when he was playing out of position.
34 Posted 24/01/2011 at 10:57:36
Also Ged, agree that for some reason Fellaini can't do no wrong, even after his last sending off, he was backed to the hilt on here.
35 Posted 24/01/2011 at 10:48:30
''he (Fellaini) made a few miss placed passes but he is constantly looking for the ball'
That was what I said Paul, he lost possession several times in the first half.
'fellaini never played as well as he has and yet he still was responsible for us getting anything out of the game by setting up one and scoring another'
Again that's what I said ('all his best work was done when he was moved up front and he started to cause problems for the West Ham defence') and that's why I think Fellaini should be given the Cahill role.
As for Arteta hiding, I think it is more like lack of confidence and being unsure of what role he now has, totally in keeping with a lot of players during Moyes' reign.
James Martin summed up things very well for me when he said our best run of form at the back end of last season came when he (Fellaini) was injured. Five man midfield with proper width on both flanks will help Arteta to regain his form.
36 Posted 24/01/2011 at 11:08:47
37 Posted 24/01/2011 at 11:52:50
its about how long has been playing a bad game... 4 months in my book.
its about how many times his dead ballls don't get past the first defender.
its about his lack of "get up and at them" attitiude.
its about his general body language i.e looking at his boots when play is near to him.
its about letting David moyes & evertonians down.
its about being paid £75k per week.
38 Posted 24/01/2011 at 12:11:56
In order :
It's also about movement from the other players and a question of balance.
It's not 4 months. He was fine up until the Arsenal game and had a great Derby game at Goodison. Since then he has struggled a bit but has played ok in some of the games such as Spurs at home.
As I have said his set pieces have always been a problem. Moyes should have sorted this out a long time ago. Apart from Baines who else can take them (Osman was poor when tried, maybe Coleman could be given the chance). Maybe it's a reflection on the other players lack of crossing ability.
He's not the get at them type of player that's why he needs a tigerish type of player next to him in midfield. We ain't got one but Rodwell is the nearest. Again it's about balance.
His body language tells me he's not happy with his form and maybe other things but I haven't seen him 'looking at his boots when play is near to him'.
He certainly hasn't let me down. He's entertained me more than most of our players. It's more like Moyes letting him down by not allowing him to play to his strengths.
The final point is the answer to why he get's so much stick I think. We obviously should have sold him with Pienaar - then we'd see how good we are!
39 Posted 24/01/2011 at 12:51:30
1. Fellaini has been playing very well this season and appears to be playing better than Arteta
2. Arteta has been playing well below his normal standards.
3. Expectations are very high for Arteta, particularly since his new contract renewal. Arteta is not performing at the level his contract rewards.
Will Arteta come good? I hope so however I wonder if he needs a break? He certainly needs a kick up the arse or a repositioning.
40 Posted 24/01/2011 at 13:24:30
Sure some players have had their moments but generally overall most have not put in a good season even Fellaini. The whole team and the tactics of Moyes have been found wanting and every game has been difficult even against the bottom three.
Arteta played better in the last 2 games but still not the player he was.
If Coleman is to continue as a right winger then we need a good right back as neither Neville nor Hibbert are good enough. Hetinga is shaky at times and we need a fully fit Jags back soon. Hopefully Cahill comes back unscathed which should help but a big improvement from the team as a whole is what is needed just to consolidate our mid-table status which is all we deserve.
41 Posted 24/01/2011 at 13:29:16
Did anyone see the first West Ham goal? Heitinga and Distin were both marking attackers and the next line of defence was Fellaini standing watching Spector make a 10 yeard run infront of him to score the easiest of tap ins! It's no surprise to me that he cost us again and no-one will say a bad word about him.
42 Posted 24/01/2011 at 13:40:46
Comments like "it's no surprise that he cost us again" are ridiculous (#41). On Sat, Coleman (who had a shocker) didn't track properly, Howard should have raced off his line as Boa Morte's touch was poor but he was as usual, slow getting off his line and Heitinga (who should be dropped and doesn't make a tackle and is hesitant) got caught out of position in midfield. How the hell you can blame Fellaini I'll never know. And when has he cost us before? He saved a point and played well, FFS.
43 Posted 24/01/2011 at 13:49:22
Maybe people are refering to the 9 goals he scored for us last season being asked to play completely out of position.......?
I think to a degree it's his style that does or doesn't turn people on. Some of his touches, tackles and passes are sublime in my eyes, others obviously see them as the complete opposite, which is fair enough, but I just can't see it.
The lad is sheer quality and, if we can't see that, we don't deserve to keep him.
44 Posted 24/01/2011 at 14:14:39
He never hides and is always looking for the ball and IMO is a true box to box MF player.
Arteta's strength used to be he would never lose the ball and could play a killer pass. Unfortunately due to either the injury, his marriage or his over-inflated contract, he has become a shadow of the player he was and I disagree that form is temporary. Look at Joe Parkinson and Paul Bracewell who were never the same players after being out injured for so long.
45 Posted 24/01/2011 at 14:24:06
As I've said before he made a total of 1 tackle in the first half against West Ham and got a booking for it.
5 square passes and 2 overhit. 2 forward passes which came to nothing.
And you really think that can be described as sublime?
46 Posted 24/01/2011 at 14:21:25
On the team sheet, Felliani is in that position but he is doing the Arteta role, So we have two players playing in the same position, just like if we had two right wingers, they just get in each others way and its up to Moyes to sought it out or we are going to be in a relegation dogfight.
47 Posted 24/01/2011 at 15:07:21
48 Posted 24/01/2011 at 15:07:21
49 Posted 24/01/2011 at 15:38:33
Coleman Heitinga Distin Baines
50 Posted 24/01/2011 at 16:02:34
51 Posted 24/01/2011 at 16:53:53
please feel free to re read your piece and the responses, so who exactly are you blaming in your opinion Colin?
Why not have the courage to stick by your opinions even if they are not widely held by everyone else?
52 Posted 24/01/2011 at 09:50:38
And I don't know if there's another club in the Prem who turn on their players like Evertonians do. Not just now, with Arteta, but as far back as Ball, Young, Harvey, Reid, no-one appears immune to the slagging off from the stands. Lets get real, everyone who's played the game at any level will realise that form can be elusive and things just don't happen for you.Regardles of whether you've just had a new contract.
I know, let's slag the player off at every chance. Yeah, that'll help him.
53 Posted 24/01/2011 at 17:21:16
54 Posted 24/01/2011 at 17:47:23
55 Posted 24/01/2011 at 18:09:27
As you clearly do not read my posts or try to understand them I will no longer afford you the same courtesy.
56 Posted 24/01/2011 at 19:08:00
57 Posted 24/01/2011 at 19:43:18
6 more goals turning six of those draws ( Wolves, Wigan, West Ham twice, Blackpool and Fulham ? ) into wins and we would have another 12 points and be fourth.
You'd all be cheering then.
58 Posted 24/01/2011 at 20:43:19
59 Posted 24/01/2011 at 21:19:02
60 Posted 24/01/2011 at 22:46:39
Arteta has proved his footballing qualities and is a classy silky spaniard he's just lacking form and a player to play on the same wave length some of the best football I have ever seen played at Goodison was when Arteta, Pienaar, Baines were linking up, I think at the minute he's lacking confidence and form and for some reason will not play a forward pass on the deck or in the air, I can't remember the last time I seen a through ball over the top from the middle of the park, Moyes and his staff should be seeing this and doing something about it I'm not saying go back to the big dunc long ball days but for god's sake mix it up. Arteta's not world class but he's the best footballer we currently have so let's get behind him and the rest of the team, it's down to moyes to set them up right and kenwright to get reinforcements if they don't get their fingers out fast we're in a relegation battle
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