Is it just me or if the reported rumours of Tottenham offering £3 million for Neville are true we should bite their hand off?!
Neville may be a good leader but he is not a good footballer; limited in defence (see recent West Ham performance), very limited in attack and VERY poor distribution (if I see another floated loopy ball to the forwards I may cry).
Why don't we just cash in now?
Chris Meddins, Posted 25/01/2011 at 19:29:16
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1 Posted 25/01/2011 at 20:51:01
Although Spurs will not offer £3M ? more like a cheeky bid of £1M.
2 Posted 25/01/2011 at 20:59:46
3 Posted 25/01/2011 at 21:02:44
4 Posted 25/01/2011 at 21:07:32
It therefore goes to show me that we should keep him as he is considered an asset to have at a team that 18 months ago were not even in our shadow, they were that far behind.
5 Posted 25/01/2011 at 21:14:03
6 Posted 25/01/2011 at 21:13:20
No point in selling him.
7 Posted 25/01/2011 at 21:24:18
8 Posted 25/01/2011 at 21:26:58
9 Posted 25/01/2011 at 21:24:10
And as stated above, the chances of the money being re-invested into the squad are so minimal that I'd rather hang on for now, at least until the end of the season. We've got a relegation battle to negotiate first!
10 Posted 25/01/2011 at 21:15:32
11 Posted 25/01/2011 at 21:37:10
We've already got 2 other right backs.
If, at the end of this transfer window, we've lost Pienaar and Neville, but we've acquired Robbie Keane, I'll be ecstatic.
12 Posted 25/01/2011 at 21:48:35
13 Posted 25/01/2011 at 21:52:50
14 Posted 25/01/2011 at 22:07:11
15 Posted 25/01/2011 at 21:58:54
16 Posted 25/01/2011 at 22:19:29
Its yet another example of a player who is a "Moyes Loyalist" who has made it into the "Moyes Club" and can now do no wrong.
For fucks sake, how and why has Neville become the glue that now holds the squad together.
He obviously had fuck all influence on Gosling, Yobo, Yakubu and Pienaar.
Its said that in Business given time most managers eventually surround themselves with brown nosers as it makes them more powerful, more influential and gives them more control.
17 Posted 25/01/2011 at 22:28:12
Phil, if you're reading this, start agitating.
18 Posted 25/01/2011 at 23:05:57
?Gianluca Vialli has a theory that the right-back was always the worst player on the team. If he showed defensive ability, and was of average height or above, he would be moved into the centre; if he was good on the ball he would be pushed into midfield. The only players left to play at right-back, then, were those who were outstanding neither defensively nor technically. Left-backs were different, partly because left-footers are rarer and tend to be nurtured.?
Explains why Baines is often one of our stand-out players, why Seamus has been shoved forward, why Neville is praised for his leadership but not his football and, most of all, explains why Hibbert is so criminally godawful. IF Neville wants out, I?d be inclined to grant him his wish and spend the remainder of this wasted season trying to develop Coleman in to a right-back who bucks Vialli?s trend.
19 Posted 25/01/2011 at 23:05:27
On the other hand... on the strength of this season, his much vaunted leadership hasn't been that special, has it?
Don't think it is likely to happen alas.
20 Posted 25/01/2011 at 23:50:24
Put Coleman in at RB with Bily in-front, able to cut inside onto his deadly left while Seamus overlaps on the outside.
Meanwhile Kranjcar does the same with Baines on the left.
Bingo. Bob's your mother's brother. A younger team with balance and threat.
21 Posted 26/01/2011 at 01:10:20
22 Posted 26/01/2011 at 01:15:50
23 Posted 26/01/2011 at 01:51:15
24 Posted 26/01/2011 at 01:56:48
I could certainly see the Bily - Coleman thing working in an attacking sense. However this is a new and fresh idea, and one which I have no doubt will never even cross the mind of our manager!
25 Posted 26/01/2011 at 03:21:00
26 Posted 26/01/2011 at 06:58:09
We're already short on numbers, why further cut back, the money wouldn't go into strengthening the squad anyways(just like the Pienaar money)
Why sell first team players for scraps? Well, i sure don't know why.
27 Posted 26/01/2011 at 07:15:01
I'd still be more than happy to do this if Spurs reduce their bid to 100k and a bag of space raiders, Although I'd wnat first dibs on the space raiders.
28 Posted 26/01/2011 at 07:15:01
I'd still be more than happy to do this if Spurs reduce their bid to 100k and a bag of space raiders, Although I'd wnat first dibs on the space raiders.
29 Posted 26/01/2011 at 08:12:22
30 Posted 26/01/2011 at 08:31:02
31 Posted 26/01/2011 at 08:42:22
They also say from what they have heard at the club he won't be here next week. I don't believe everything I read but I reckon this will happen.
32 Posted 26/01/2011 at 08:51:31
Are you trying to get a game at right back you must be knocking on now!
Sell Neville he is holding us back. Coleman needs to be at right back with Bily in front of him. Pip is vastly overrated by many if not all on Toffeeweb.
33 Posted 26/01/2011 at 09:20:34
34 Posted 26/01/2011 at 09:33:02
Not sure how Philipp Lahm fits into this - a right footed left-back.....
Anyway, the only way I'd consider letting Pip go would be if we had a definite first XI player coming the other way in a position which needs strengthening. So the Kranjcar idea would be interesting.... if only we didn't desperately needs a striker skilled with banjos and cow's arses...
35 Posted 26/01/2011 at 10:16:36
36 Posted 26/01/2011 at 10:56:07
2) Pips total drop off in form since it surfaced could indicate the he is in favour of it.
They may have made him an offer he can't refuse, Assistant coach/bench for the big games, player for the nothing games.
Just like we couldn't afford Owen, coz we wouldn't get enough bang for our limited buck. But SAF could afford to 'waste' to him a pittence if they get 10 games out of him.
Harry might see it throught the rich end of the telescope, that his long term pluses are worth it for him as his short term minuses, while major to us, are in fact minor and standard for a player coming towards the end of his playing career.
37 Posted 26/01/2011 at 11:10:08
I wouldn't put Arteta in charge of the tea ladies at the moment.
To let Neville go will be insanity, he is the best organiser bar none at the club.
Why do you think Harry the bung wants him ?
If he goes watch the results dip. You have been warned.
38 Posted 26/01/2011 at 11:13:50
Makes perfect business sense as he could surely offload them in the summer merry-go-round for the same cash (or more in Pienaar's case), as he's brought them in for.
'Business Sense', now there's something we don't have in abundance at Everton.
39 Posted 26/01/2011 at 11:06:39
I watched that shite on Saturday and they looked fragile as I don't know what, real relegation fodder. Over the next couple of months we are going to need our Cahills and Nevilles big time. Did you not see the impact it has when either of these is out the team, Neville may be limited and I would look to replace him in the summer But now would be suicide.
Sam Hoare, Coleman was terrible on Saturday mate and got skinned big time and on a number of occasions put us in big trouble and I looked at Moyes a few times shaking his head as he did so, and to put him right back would be suicide, you said he could overlap with Bily inside him FFS can you see Bily tracking back covering for his marouding full back in the same way Pienaar did?
That is going to be the big problem with Baines having someone who will cover like Pienaar did. We need players who will be stand up and be counted, as we are in for a struggle and no matter what you think of his ability he won't shirk responsibility like some big earners are currently doing.
40 Posted 26/01/2011 at 11:04:19
41 Posted 26/01/2011 at 11:23:37
We have not seen a penny of investment since Kenwright came to the Chair, only money redirected from other transfers. Neville is undoubtedly a good influence in terms of professionalism and attitude, he needs to get forward more effectively and perform against more teams than just Tottenham (it is hard to believe but he did nutmeg Bale on the edge of the box). He is a good deputy for injured players as a holding midfielder but his days are numbered.
Maybe the time has come to build a new team without him but if you were Moyes would you sell? I certainly wouldn't seeing as we cannot attract anyone seemingly to our club.
42 Posted 26/01/2011 at 12:51:36
Where other plays generally play well with a few odd bad games or generally play poorly with a mix of good games, Neville doesn't have good games. Period.
What he does do is organise players on the pitch. His experience, determination and leadership has lifted the team in ways other individuals could not.
Move forward to this season and it's clear the impact is far from the same and the team doesn't appear to be as keen to follow his leadership as they used to.
I say it's time to move Neville on, if not in this transfer window, definitely in the summer and £3m is a great deal.
Moyes is unlikely to see the £3m but is it worth the cost of having a player who will unlikely ever play or make the same impact again?
43 Posted 26/01/2011 at 12:34:56
£3m for a 34 going on 35 year old RB that doesn't offer anything in help attacking wise for the winger and his distribution is shit at the best of times and is only good for his leadership qualities and experience is not to be sneezed at IMO!
That's all Spurs want him for, his experience and leadership as they have a relatively young and in-experienced group of players, it's not for his footballing ability surely, they want him so they have a wise old head in amongst those good young players they have in the big Champions League games and things like that.
If I remember rightly, I think Moyes said the same things when we bought him, we just started qualifying for Europe and he wanted a player that had been there and done it and had experience and it would rub off and help the other players.
£3m for him you would think we would take it but I'm not sure Moyes would, Moyes likes him too much but I did read elsewhere that Neville was thinking about the move and did fancy another crack at Champions League football at his age, which you can't blame him and, watching him against West Ham at the weekend it looked like his mind was still on it.
I'd let him go and either put Hibbo in there till the end of the season or start blooding Coleman at RB cos I think it's time we looked to get players like Neville out of the team and start looking to the future now cos for 2 years with this squad we haven't done anything so why not look to change the personal in the squad and first team. He's already got Yak and Yobo half way out the door, Pienaar's gone but I would of preferred to of kept him and we could sell Neville for a decent fee if the rumours are to be believed.
Moyesy should get rid of the dead wood in the team and start looking to blood some of the youngsters weve got and give them a chance and look to a fresh start and a new future.
44 Posted 26/01/2011 at 12:58:53
If the rumours are true and they turned down a £3M offer for Kranjcar, how stupid are the people in charge? We had a bargining chip with Pienaar. Now we are left with no tidy replacement and a man down in the squad... it's a joke what goes on at our club. To answer the post I`d sell Neville for £3M no less or swap him for Naughton.
45 Posted 26/01/2011 at 13:09:19
So I think we offered to sell them Pienaar and take Kranjcar on loan til the end of the season with a view to a permanent deal but Kranjcar and Spurs wanted something permanent this month and for more than the £3m we apparently wanted him for recently.
46 Posted 26/01/2011 at 13:35:22
47 Posted 26/01/2011 at 13:16:19
Richard, I totally agree with all of your suggestions and could probably add a few more. The quote I used was actually lifted from an article that Jonathan Wilson wrote chronicling the way that, after decades of being journeymen in teams full of stars, full-backs were starting to become the most important players on the pitch.
To be fair to Vialli, his comments were made before that resurgence and were a reasonable description of European football throughout the 70?s, 80?s and 90?s. Unfortunately, whilst the better sides are now making significantly greater use of far more capable right-backs, many other clubs, including Everton, haven?t been able to adapt in that regard.
48 Posted 26/01/2011 at 13:37:45
As I said on Saturday, they looked a relegation battle in the making and people coming on here saying cash in on one of the few players we have with some bottle for a fight, after already losing three this transfer window, is fucking comical. This is no time to piss about experimenting.
49 Posted 26/01/2011 at 14:03:02
50 Posted 26/01/2011 at 13:55:07
One that we are in serious financial trouble and Kenwright offered him to Spurs.
The other is that it's just paper talk and Spurs were told "No way" at Xmas.
If we sell any of our existing squad for what is a relative pittance, I will be highly disappointed and it would confirm to me that we are well and truly in the murky stuff.
51 Posted 26/01/2011 at 16:17:56
52 Posted 26/01/2011 at 16:22:09
53 Posted 26/01/2011 at 17:33:29
54 Posted 26/01/2011 at 19:08:39
The very fact that Nev has played most of this season would suggest that this myth is sort of non-evident or provable. I made a comment quite a while ago about Bainsey playing for England against Mexico. This game had Gerrard on the left in front of him. What did the twat do? Every time he got the ball, he cut inside and NEVER forged a partnership with our lad. Thus making him look inept.
I can, with all qualification, since I saw the World Cup, claim that, had England had a situation on the left like we had with Bainsey and Pienaar, then we would have done a megadose better. Because of stupidity in management, this didn't happen.
Back to the point: Coleman isn't a right-back. But also neither is Neville. When did you last see a through-ball that dissected a defence for Coleman to run onto? Never.
Get a competent right back who can control and pass a ball then we'll see just how good Coleman really is.
One last point: If Moyes can't find another player who has leadership then it's Moyes's fault. Like what the fuck did he do before Neville came along? Sorry but the leadership argument is totally lame, it's rubbish.
We, or maybe I want players who play for Everton, who can play football and are comfortable with the ball at their (not there) feet.
Oh while I'm at it.... Question: How long has Moyes known that Pienaar was leaving? Therefore, how long has he had Gueye doing the business with Baines in training sessions?
It's not about money, it's about the fact that Moyes has known for a long time that we were going to lose our threat on the left and just like the right has done FUCK ALL about it.
Davey, yours, Mr Fuckin' Angry.
55 Posted 26/01/2011 at 22:29:33
There has been a lot of talk about Coleman in this post but in my view he has to make it at RB. He is never going to be a Premier League midfielder.
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