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Protest is the Everton Way

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Interesting times we live in. There may be a protest on Saturday against Bill Kenwright?s regime... and about time too; it may not materialise and someone is probably making mischief on the internet, but there appears to a visible change in attitudes to the Kenwright regime, not just on the forums, but also at Goodison on match day (so others would have you believe).

What?s changed? Will there be a protest or not? At the moment, it's irrelevant, what is of interest to me is that those shouting "Kopite" at anyone agitating for a protest are being given short shrift, and with good reason, not just because the failing Kenwright regime needs to be held to account, but because if you know your history... we Blues ushered in the age of mass protests against the board in the Premier League era.

Kopites and Geordies and even the red Mancs are merely following where we led in 1998. I wonder if any actual Kopites called the Shankly group ?bitter blues?. It appears that, for a collective fanbase that has long sung about our history, we appear to have forgotten the mass insurrection against Peter Johnson.

There may have been a time lag of approximately ten years, but this is embarrassing; apparently protesting is 'kopite' now ? except in 1998, when we all started off the trend for fans protest.

As for what it may achieve? If your?e expecting the October Revolution forget it, it's about the application of pressure and pressure pays off in the end. Put Bill Kenwright under pressure it?s the Everton Way.
David O'Keefe, St.Helens     Posted 27/01/2011 at 23:12:11

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Mike Atherton
1   Posted 28/01/2011 at 00:17:59

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Apparently the protest is at 11.30 behind the park end before Saturday's game.

Does anyone know anymore details about this or know who is organising it?

I really do think something like this should happen with light of recent events at the club

Jimmy Hacking
2   Posted 28/01/2011 at 00:33:11

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I can't be there for this on Saturday but very much hope this goes ahead. Hope this gets a bit of media attention.
Tom Collie
3   Posted 28/01/2011 at 00:55:26

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Couldn't agree more, I've being going to Goodison since the early 60s and there's always been protest. It's only been recently, during the Moyes/Kenwright era that for some reason protest is seen by some as improper.

To tell the truth the acquiescence, of some blues, to shyte both off, and on, the pitch I find infuriating. We are a big club with a proud, proud history we are not small time, or at least we haven't been small time previously. Lets remind the club's management that we expect the best.
Kieran Kinsella
4   Posted 28/01/2011 at 01:33:40

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Exactly. I remember poor old Colin Harvey getting grief when Everton were 4th.
Russell Buckley
5   Posted 28/01/2011 at 03:18:34

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Don't live in the UK, but please don't let this fail. At the very least a good turn out will highlight how many of us are pissed off.

If we let Kenwright progress as he has so far he will still be in charge in another 10yrs but we will be a nothing club.
The phrase "if it isn't broke don't fix it" doesn't apply.
Charlie Percival
6   Posted 28/01/2011 at 07:35:56

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What time does Kenwright arrive in his Bentley? Is that the reason for 11:30 at park end?
Les Martin
7   Posted 28/01/2011 at 08:03:05

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Well who ever organise the protest, i hope you have contacted the media, as we need as much exposure as possible.
Dick Fearon
8   Posted 28/01/2011 at 08:13:43

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I am not against a protest yet this Saturday is the worst possible time to hold it.
Against the current champions, our last chance to salvage something from a very disapointing season and we need every hand to the pumps.
Surely this protest could be held at our next home game.
Then again, should we beat Chelski that would put an end to protests at least for the time being.
Alan Williams
9   Posted 28/01/2011 at 07:59:54

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You fans are a joke, put pressure on BK; don?t you think he has it already?

Everton (we) are no longer a big club; some of you need to grow up and stop living in the past. Ticket prices are too low; no corporate, stadium a shithole, thousands of adults going the match on junior tickets (my mate has one).

BK takes no wage of any sort out of our club, the money is going to the players, that?s modern football and the simple fact is we don?t generate enough cash to pay the bills, it's such a simple observation that many fail to see in modern football.

Unless we have a new owner/investor, it will get worse as BK has no cash to put in to the club, that was obvious from day one and he admitted it. Protests are fine but, unless you have a Plan B or another investor lining up, then you achieve nothing.

When we got rid of Johnson, we had a couple of options; today, we have nobody, yes nobody that has even passed the due diligence stage!! The whole idea of protesting is you have/want something different, on this occasion you are protesting for a fictional person!! Kenwright out, but who in?? Total idiots, the freedom of protest is wasted on some people!!

I think some of you should take off your blinkers and talk with some Leeds, Portsmouth, Southampton, Derby, Forest, Middlesbrough, Charlton, Leicester, Ipswich, Coventry, Swindon, Wimbledon, Hull, Bradford, Sheffield United and Wednesday ? all ex-Premier League teams who have fallen and can't get back so liquidation has followed.

When BK took over the club, EFC was in relegation battles with most of the above teams; who is the only club not to follow them? Record transfers 3 seasons in a row, players' wages at record levels, and academy and community projects copied across the globe due to our excellence!!

BK has made many mistakes, yes, we agree... but it could have been a lot worse. My advice would be to wait until we are safe; until then, back the team. COYB

Andy Codling
10   Posted 28/01/2011 at 08:34:04

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Alan ,please take your head out of your anus!
Ged Simpson
11   Posted 28/01/2011 at 08:46:40

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Can anyone who thinks we should protest give me an idea what we are asking for ?
Charlie Percival
12   Posted 28/01/2011 at 08:49:33

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Andy i think you meant 'Kenwrights anus'
Charlie Percival
13   Posted 28/01/2011 at 08:51:16

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Ged we dont necessarily want him out, we want him to know our displeasure and we want him to act in some way. we own the club but bill pulls the strings. we need him to pull them differently.
Anthony Hughes
14   Posted 28/01/2011 at 08:50:53

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Alan,

Just to pick up on a couple of your points,
Kenwright has no cash to put into the club and he admitted it from day one-- why did he buy the club then if he knew he could not sustain it in the long term?

Record transfer signings three seasons in a row--all money spent via players sold to generate funds, no Board generated money.





We don't generate enough cash to pay the bills? Surely the Board led by Kenwright should be responsible for composing a business plan to enable this to happen, he's had long enough, it's obvious he's unable to do this as we're now in the position of selling players to keep us afloat.

The list of clubs you mentioned could quite easily have us on it in the next couple of years. Where will the money come from in the summer to improve the quality on the pitch, only by selling our better players which will in turn reduce the quailty of our team. We can only hope that there wiil be three worse teams than us over each of the coming seasons.

I'm sure other fans will have much more to add regarding Kenwright.
Tony J Williams
15   Posted 28/01/2011 at 09:01:52

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Charlie, if it was just that thought, I would happily don a dodgy t-shirt and wave a banner. The sickening fact is that Alan Williams is right. In an ironic way, there is No Plan B for our board.

No-one wants us and I can't blame them. Protest ARE when you want something. It seems that many fans just want Kenwrong gone and to Hell with what happens after he has packed his bags. Not exactly a great campaign that.

What do we want? Kenwrong out!
When do we want it? Now!
Who do we want? Feck knows?

Kind of catchy though it is, it doesn't help us really
Chris Lawlor
16   Posted 28/01/2011 at 09:07:42

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Alan Williams...I couldnt have put it better myself...There is currently no plan B so were Kenwright to take heed of the protests and walk ...who in God's name would take his place?? Its all very well protesting and I as much as any other Blue is despondant at the current state of the club but if the media are to be at this protest and interview fans as to their manifesto we will become a bloody laughing stock. Protest yes...but at least have a coherent manifesto.
Anthony Hughes
17   Posted 28/01/2011 at 09:07:47

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A protest wouldn't be a public meeting to discuss who should take over or buy us out. The protest would be there to highlight the financial problems at our club to a bigger audience and let some of these tits in the media realise we're not this mythical perfectly run football club who should be glad to have Kenwright in charge. As fans unfortunately we're not in a position to choose who buys or invests in our club, that's Kenwright and his Board's remit. Something which he's failed at quite badly and now the chickens are coming home to roost.
Shaun Brennan
18   Posted 28/01/2011 at 09:26:28

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Alan (9) it appears to me you are willing to accept second best. Well, not even second best... have you really given up hope? Or is it just hard to see where you end and Kenwright begins?
David S Shaw
19   Posted 28/01/2011 at 09:22:15

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We really do have some gobshites amongst our ranks.

Part of the gobshite mantra is that anyone who protests is a kopite, anyone who sings is a kopite, anyone who wears certain clothes is a kopite.

Glad to see that we have the fans who don't fall for this rubbish and are answering back to these beauts.

Steve Sweeney
20   Posted 28/01/2011 at 10:06:15

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Alan,
Kenwright is responsible for the mess the club is in. There are no suitors looking at the club because it is not for sale. Why cannot people accept that part of the problem is that BK continually misleads and uses spin to distortthe facts? The club is not for sale.

He has totally divided the fans with Destination Kirkby. If he put us up for sale instead of looking for investment then someone may come forward.

HE HAS GOT TO BE FORCED TO PUT THE CLUB UP FOR SALE

Colin Potter
21   Posted 28/01/2011 at 10:02:33

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Just a thought... maybe Lord Grantchester would take more of an interest, if Kenwright stepped down, because the way things are now, he just cannot work with him.
Brian Waring
22   Posted 28/01/2011 at 10:14:04

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Ahh, plan B's, something both Moyes and Kenwright wouldn't know about either.

Look lads, Kenwright has had it cushy for too long now, because he's a 'True blue' and all that shite. He needs a kick up the arse, and realise that there is a lot of very unhappy fans out there, and if protest is is what it takes, so be it.
Brian Waring
23   Posted 28/01/2011 at 10:20:22

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Was thinking that myself Colin, maybe there is someone on the board who is willing to step up to the plate.

At the end of the day if Kenwright walked, its not as if we would miss his money, because he's fucking skint, and doesn't invest any of his own money into the club anyway.

We need someone with some business acumen.
Dave Wilson
24   Posted 28/01/2011 at 09:51:38

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Evertonians who feel protesting is in the best interest of the club should go right ahead. There can be little doubt that we are sinking under the stewardship of BK. He simply has to go, but protest?

However, IMO "Good old lovable Bill" will be portrayed as the victim; the timing is wrong too, if Everton win tomorrow ? and I believe they will ? "Grand old team" will reverberate around Goodison as the players leave the pitch and protestors will be viewed as an angry tiny minority.

Even if it worked and BK was embarressed, we won't just have a useless chairman, we`ll have a useless chairman with a "fuck the lot of you" attitude.

I know a lot of people feel action is long overdue but things are coming to a natural conclusion. Personally I fear a protest will do more harm than good, a co-operative Kenwright will be far easier to move upstairs out of harms way, than a guy who simply digs his heels in and holds out for top dollar.

Brian Waring
25   Posted 28/01/2011 at 10:35:18

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Agree there Dave. Whilst I agree with the protest, and hope it goes ahead, BK will probably come out of it smelling of roses, We'll have all the media, pundits, saying we're ungrateful fuckers etc.
Mike Williams
26   Posted 28/01/2011 at 10:51:26

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I really cannot get my head around people who stick up for Bill Kenwright.

What annoys me is when you see interviews with the likes of Pulis, Hollaway and Di Matteo all saying how the Riches of the Premier League are what's important to their clubs. How can a club like ours who has been in this goldmine of a league every season since its start be in such a financial mess?

Noted someone stating we broke our transfer record 3 years on the bounce... well, that's only down to players being sold and nothing to do with Kenwright whatsoever.

It makes me sick that 99% of the chairmen in any league are businessmen but some people still think its ok to have a washed up Coronation Street actor with no cash, just because he supports us. Not for me, thanks, Bill.

Kevin Tully
27   Posted 28/01/2011 at 11:07:18

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Looks like this is definately going to happen. Prentice has written a piece in the Liverpool Echo about a protest before tomorrow's game.

Personally, I feel the time has come to let Kenwright know how the fans feel. All this bollocks about "looking for investors" won't wash anymore.

BK is asking for a price which no-one will possibly pay for the club. It's time to go Bill, you have had a good run. He has to resign to take the club further, both in football & commercial terms. Gone are the days of old style directors, it is big business now, and he is way out of his league.
Gavin Ramejkis
28   Posted 28/01/2011 at 11:15:20

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Dave #24, in effect the "fuck you" has already been done by BK to both the supporters at the ESCLA meeting where he played the don't ask me I'm just the chairman card and more disgustingly with the shareholders with his infamous "I'm bored of that question" and refusal to answer any despite Elstone's claim that any questions were fair game. He then nailed it with banning AGMs EGMs so the shareholders literally have no say in the club they partially own.

Ten years on and the club is sliding into bankruptcy, leaving BK in charge is not a viable option.
Adam Bennett
29   Posted 28/01/2011 at 11:19:35

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1) This ?acting like kopites? accusation ? Well I tell you what, if that is the case, then I hope we do start acting like kopites, because you know what? When they?re unhappy with something they get things done. Also, does that mean, as Evertonians, we are not allowed to voice displeasure? Not allowed to criticise people when they do things wrong? Well fuck that. I aint happy and I am bloody well going to say so. If that makes some of my fellow blues call me a kopite, then so fucking be it, because I?ve had enough of this shit off the board.

2) Colin (21) totally agree. If Kenwright and his cronies where to do one, maybe Lord Grantchester might step in. I know it has been said he doesn?t want the hassle, but in an hour of need he might do it, if asked. As for this ?who do you get? Plan B? bollocks. Here?s an idea. Why not make Martin Broughton, or someone of his ilk, chairman with the sole job description of finding a buyer. Then we?ll see how serious Bill was when he said he?d gladly step aside if the right person came along.


Sorry for the language and aggressiveness, but my head is on the verge of exploding here!
Chris Hockenhull
30   Posted 28/01/2011 at 11:44:45

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Adam Bennett # 29.....Absolutley spot on and agree with every point you make. Couldn't say it any better myself...so I won't!
Colin Malone
31   Posted 28/01/2011 at 12:11:54

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The only way to generate money is be successful on the pitch, which I thought we would be this season. Moyes fucked up big time.
Norman Merrill
32   Posted 28/01/2011 at 12:20:54

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Adam, the Martin Broughton idea is great, but I very much doubt it could happen, as it takes someone with authority to decide, and who's that?

Kenwright.

All the rest of the board and staff would not dare..

Dave Wilson
33   Posted 28/01/2011 at 12:33:53

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You see that's my problem.

IF, and it is a big IF, Kenwright can be driven out by protest, the best scenario anybody has come up with is "MAYBE" Lord Grantchester will step up to the plate"... MAYBE???

That's our football club you're fucking with there guys... at least give it a bit of thought.
David Thomas
34   Posted 28/01/2011 at 12:42:19

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Dave Wilson 33,

Too right. Well said.
Adam Bennett
35   Posted 28/01/2011 at 13:02:20

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Dave (33) ? but the thing is though, how many people on Toffeeweb are business head-hunters? How are we mere fans supposed to know who is out there who would be interested?

This is why my suggestion is we bring in a Martin Broughton type figure as chairman, as that is one scenario which I have seen work. Although, Norman, I take your point.
Mark Wayman
36   Posted 28/01/2011 at 12:50:37

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Protesting isn't "being a kopite".

Marching on Parliament, protesting outside of banks, burning American flags and having Robert Mugabe appear in a video asking the owners to leave. That is being a kopite.

People say that asking for Kenwright to leave is useless if we have no alternative, but what we do have a right to know is what is going on at OUR club. How can we without AGM's etc.
Trevor Lynes
37   Posted 28/01/2011 at 13:01:29

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If BK cannot run the club on the money generated by fans paying to watch plus Sky money etc...why did his mismanagement lead to contracts running down and players being allowed to leave for 'peanuts' (very apt) or nothing at all?

When the gates fall and season ticket revenue dries up maybe then we may see some real action. He is an impressario so he must know that 'bums on seats' is required. The best way to protest is stay away for one match and hit him where it hurts.

Phil Bellis
38   Posted 28/01/2011 at 13:15:40

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Oh go on then, I'll be willing to take on the job

Millions of own money to put in?
Bill No - Me No
True Blue?
Bill Yes - Me Yes
Been in Boys' Pen?
Bill Yes - Me Yes
Knew Eddie Kavanagh?
Bill Yes - Me Yes
Was there in 66?
Bill ? - Me Yes
Shagged Lucille Hewitt?
Bill Yes - Me No
Commercial experience
Bill Yes - Me Yes
Talk Bollocks
Bill Yes - Me Yes
First concern: the future of the club and securing it for our children?
Bill ? - Me Yes
Alan Williams
39   Posted 28/01/2011 at 13:24:30

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Dave Shaw, get back to school!! Is that the same Grantchesters that wouldn?t back Kings Dock, who you now want to save us, ha ha ? excellent?

I back BK when needed and knock him when needed, the difference is I?m a realist as I understand both sides. Running a business and being a fan is not a good mix, that is why BK is failing and it's why, even if I had a billion ponds, I wouldn?t even contemplate owning EFC because it is a lose-lose situation.

The problem with most (not all) of the anti BK side is its personal, you have made this a personal attack on him because he hasn?t put in hundreds of millions of pounds of his own cash, obviously the reason being he doesn?t have it. EFC are a mess because the board haven?t increased revenue to match expenditure but the reason for that is the product (EFC) doesn?t lend itself to large revenue streams because we haven?t been successful since the eighties, we don?t have a large global/national following and we have a stadium that is well just a hole.

The demographic of the average EFC fan will not spend the cash needed for such gains, my god we can?t even sell out of season tickets!! They have tried to change this on many occasions but fell on every hurdle because we have no capital to back the venture.

EFC decline started in 1988; we never changed the infrastructure when it was affordable; thereafter, we now live hand to mouth. Protest as much as you want but this fact will not change either at 11:30 or 17:30 tomorrow, back the team and make your thoughts heard when we are safe ? not mid-season when nothing can be done about it, the timing is all wrong.

If every season ticket holder paid an additional £500, each we would sill only raise £11 million pounds so for it be on par with City every STH would have to pay an additional £10k each per season just to match the transfer kitty let alone wages.

We can?t compete in the modern day arena that is clear as daylight; this problem is bigger than Bill Kenwright ? that?s why you?re wasting your time tomorrow. COYB

Jamie Rowland
40   Posted 28/01/2011 at 13:57:30

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Charlie (No 13) ? we dont own the club at all.

The club is owned by shareholders, which is NOT the majority of 35,000 or so fans.

We have a vested interest in the club just as a kid has in McDonald's ? but whether its painted yellow or blue or pink is the decision of the owner.

To kick out a chairman that ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY owns is impossible without buying him out...you can protest all you want..unless he's compensated for his shares it will make fuck all difference.

You wouldn't protest at the owner of your local McDonald's... because he puts less salad or meat on your burger would? ? No, you'd just stop going there... get the hint?
David S Shaw
41   Posted 28/01/2011 at 14:27:42

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Alan Williams, have you quoted the right person??

David S Shaw
42   Posted 28/01/2011 at 14:32:57

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Mark Wayman. The very fact you're trying to define what is and isn't kopite-ish behaviour as a yardstick for how you want other people to act is just wrong for want of a better word.

Can't we decide for ourselves how to act without running it by how they act? What's their behaviour got to do with ours?
Gavin Ramejkis
43   Posted 28/01/2011 at 14:26:24

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Alan as Chairman of the club and majority shareholder you'd expect BK to at least have the slightest clue of business acumen and be capable of developing a short, medium and long term business strategy which evolves in response to it's effectiveness. As such they would employ suitable skilled and capable staff to undertake that vision.

In precis, they'd review the income streams work out what is working and expand those, work out what is broken and fix or drop them but more importantly seek innovation away from previous monoculture reliance on Sky money and ticket sales and throttle those opportunities for every penny they are worth, running on the principle that not every idea will turn coin so some will be dropped but others will be expanded and utilised.

Sadly, despite over a decade, BK doesn't appear to have done this once, not a single example. It's cringeworthy at times when you look at other clubs efforts and spending capabilities but they are all down to that particular club's operating model. What is Everton's operating model? For all intents and purposes it currently appears to be selling assets in the form of players, a model I have on several occasions highlighted as unsustainable.

It isn't down to the fans and supporters of the club to tell them how it's ran but given the pasionate nature of this particular business in which the custodians rarely outlive the fanbase they will most certainly vocalise their displaeasure when they feel it is being mismanaged and as paying customers rightly so as they will no doubt still be about when the incumbents have long departed leaving behind legacy or catastrophe.

To use Jamie's analogy of stop using that supplier, I am pretty certain that many will not renew season tickets this time and they'll be castigated by many for letting the club down but who has let whom down? If you aren't happy with a product you stop using it, you may return later should it be resurrected or changed back to something you agree with but it doesn't stop that abandonment and repercussions.

BK has painted himself into a corner and an untenable position, you could say a similar situation to Gordon Brown who many said wouldn't have won the election even if he had found a cure for cancer such were the bridges he had burnt with too many previous supporters.
June Brennan
44   Posted 28/01/2011 at 14:50:11

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So come on BK out, Moyes out, what's the answer.?????
Gavin Ramejkis
45   Posted 28/01/2011 at 14:51:42

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The answer has to be put the club up for sale, BK clearly can't continue running it and his concept of investment hasn't worked for a decade. He only has to sell for £20m not to make any loss as he hasn't invested a penny beyond that loan he used to purchase it in 1999. He would have to leave as he literally brings nothing to the party either so no continuation on the board either. We need a new start, fresh blood and capable hands not excuses and stories.
Phil Bellis
46   Posted 28/01/2011 at 15:43:17

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So, Alan, you agree there's been no contingency planning, proactive leadership or, indeed, any measure of progress since Bill joined the Board of Everton Football Club?
Other clubs seem to have, if not thrived, coped a bit better
Dave Lynch
47   Posted 28/01/2011 at 15:41:48

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The lack of a solid and effective buisness plan is unforgivable.

No other buisness that i know of fails to produce accounts and alienates it's shareholders the way BK has.

If he does sell, which he will eventually will have to. I hope that he does'nt just sell to the highest bidder in order to line his empty pockets.

I have a feeling that before he will sell he will run the club into the ground, making any take-over a logistical nightmare for new owners.

That's if were not already at that stage. Because let's face it, no-one knows anything about the financial state of the club at present except for Bill and his cronies and they are keeping schtum.
Mark Wayman
48   Posted 28/01/2011 at 15:58:39

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David S Shaw (42)

Surely you realise I was being comical?

I didn't suggest we act in any way.
Russ Quinlan
49   Posted 28/01/2011 at 16:17:06

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Do you know what, I have just had a very short conversation with an Evertonain at work here, I mentioned a possible protest tomorrow and he almost had a heart attack !

He said he couldn't believe people would want to slag him off because he's doing such a good job !!

When I mentioned some of the facts, he just said he thought the Club would fold without BK !! He also said anyone who did protest shouldn't support the Club !!

I actually gave up then, but it shows how opinion is divided and that some people still believe the crap BK comes out with.
Dennis Stevens
50   Posted 28/01/2011 at 16:33:29

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There's one simple & very visible way to protest whilst maintaining a healthy respect for our traditions : smuggle in a cushion for hurling at the appropriate moment!
Nelaj Behajiha
51   Posted 28/01/2011 at 16:43:24

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"Ticket prices too low". What load of shite you need to grow up and enter the real world. Fans are getting sick of continually paying huge fees to go to games. While the player live lives or excuberance and wealth the fans live in poverty and spend the small amounts we earn watching the play week in week out. Where have these investors gone they've probably been put off by some idiot who claims to love the club yet seems to do everything to destroy it. Don't protest tomorrow do it at the Blackpool game or the Sunderland game when we can get big numbers.
Phil Bellis
52   Posted 28/01/2011 at 16:51:15

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Nice one, Dennis - beat me to it
I remember fondly the Everton tradition of throwing cushions on the pitch. Marvellous!

Nelaj...well said, pal; all my growing up years, the entrance fee was about the price of a pint or a cinema ticket. And now .....
David O'Keefe
53   Posted 28/01/2011 at 16:55:32

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Alan Williams: Your argument boils down to this: You can't change it, the club has no future as a major force so don't bother trying to change it.

This is a new low for apologism, I don't recall any other apologist or Pro-BK blue uttering such words in defence of a lame duck chairman. Shameful.
Tony Waring
54   Posted 28/01/2011 at 17:02:27

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Dave #47. The "business" - make that "funny business" that alienates everyone and gets away with it is the EU which has'nt had its accounts signed off for years. Maybewe could get a handout from Brussels, they seem, to have oodles of it. As for Lord Grantchester, is he for real or is it merely the name of the next BBC period drama ? For sure there must be someone out there who would buy us.....what about Terry Leahy who's taking a backward step from Tesco and certainly knows a thing or two about running a profitable business ? Even if it means converting the church into a Tesco Metro store !!!! It might just work ! In the meantime keep up the pressure on BK and get behind the team against Chelsea. We might just find that purple patch and turn them over.
Jay Harris
55   Posted 28/01/2011 at 17:22:02

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I think we should all try the BK style of chairmanship.

Spend 5 minutes getting as much as you can out of your pals on totally empty promisies and foundation.

Tell all and sundry about your adventures as a kid and milk it for all it's worth.

Then sit back and let others take the flak when it all goes tits up but just stay silent in the background till you can seize your moment again.

It doesnt matter if you lose or upset your friends/aquaintances because there's plenty more mugs with money.

In the meantime the hordes think you're wonderful because you're one of them and you're skint too (as if that's some kind of justification).

Oh and I forgot to mention you have to be a really good liar because that way nobody will believe you have lied to them for the last 10 years.
David Thomas
56   Posted 28/01/2011 at 18:10:14

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David O'Keefe,

I presume if there is a protest on Saturday you will be their right in the middle of it getting fully involved?
Alan Williams
57   Posted 28/01/2011 at 17:49:43

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Nelaj, so we are in need of extra income so you want lower ticket prices, oh my god it just gets worse this discussion. David, I?m certainly not an apologist, I?m a realist I accept the terms and conditions on offer in modern football the game has changed and changed for the worse EFC is a casualty of this change. The board have tried and failed on some areas to increase revenue mainly stadium moves, commercially we don?t have support to yield us gains to significantly match the extra income needed that is factual. Most EFC fans don?t wear colours and the shop spend per head is actually very low yet the quality on offer is the best it?s ever been. I will repeat again the board have made mistakes some like the KD are unforgivable but they were all made in the pursuit of increasing revenue. EFC current problems are bigger than your hatred of BK, this in my mind is a distraction to the real problem. I?m up for change that I can guarantee you but not just any change we must change for the better and not just the name of the Chairman. I?m asking you all to understand the predicament we are in; this is not Tunisia or Egypt!! Protesting tomorrow achieves nothing but to destabilise the team and club, doing it when we are safe makes sense and is poignant to our problem. COYB
Nelaj Behajiha
58   Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:04:39

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Alan yes if it works out for example when we played Blackburn I calculaed that if Blackburn had gave Everton 7000 tickets charging £20 it would of run up to exactly the same as charging 4000 fans £35. Lets be honest here there's a variety of problems, catering is 1. The vast majority of fans choose to no buy anything in the stadium. The food is terrible. At other grounds they do a wide range of foods burgers, chips and curry even Chicken burgers. At Everton you only a choice of 4 pies none of which are particualry advertising. It's a really strange cycle as we can't get enough money to change things on the pitch which would in turn help us the change things off it. I doubt there will be a protest but hopefully there will be when we can get a proper 1 organised.
David Israel
59   Posted 28/01/2011 at 18:55:45

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Over at NSNO some fellow has published an open letter to Lord Grantchester. A true sign of desperation...

http://www.nsno.co.uk/everton-news/2011/01/an-open-letter-to-lord-grantchester/

Now for the item on the thread. I couldn't agree more and there has not to be a "Plan B" before you can vent your anger and frustration. At the moment Plan B is for Kenwright to find a different business model, or show more keenness in that elusive 24/7 pursuit of the Holy Grail. If he had felt pressure from the fans earlier, who knows, one of the interested parties that he says have contacted him might have become credible in his view.

I'm currently an expat, so I won't be able to be there tomorrow, but I hope it does awaken people to the mess we'e in and, more specifically, to the fact that we can't and won't take it anymore!

COYB

Karl Masters
60   Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:04:26

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So this protest is to force ( perhaps ) BK to put the Club up for sale, Gavin?

So something constructive we are led to believe. But, what if you don't like the people he sells it to? ( if your protest works ) What then?

I sympathise to a point, but until another option is there in front of us, how do we know it's a better one?

We only need some plum like Egg Head at West Ham or that fat twat who tried ball juggling on the pitch at Portsmouth to take us on and we'll be heading into oblivion even quicker.

It's a very tricky situation. Not all buyers are waht they seem. Perhaps if Kenwright is the charlatan you claim he has seen through some even bigger whoppers trying to buy the club and sent them packing? Takes one to know one.

Phil Martin
61   Posted 28/01/2011 at 19:49:47

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Who needs Kopites when we have members amongst our own ranks, who honestly think we owe any gratitude to a board that has left us teatering on financial ruin.

You can list clubs like Sheff Wed, and suggest we are in safe hands. But seriously how many of those clubs would've gone that way if they had a manager as strong as Moyes? Or are we suggesting Bill, Green and Earl were responsible for the transformation of Cahill, pienaar and Arteta?

Living in denial isn't healthy. we deserve answers.

Are we for sale?
What is our debt?
What is our stadium situation?
Why are we selling our key players?
Why are we so financially crippled when we've had a net spend of £2m over the last decade?
Karl Masters
62   Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:14:17

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Phil:

We know the answers don't we?




Are we for sale?

Only for £100m plus. BK would rather have 'investment, ie somebody gives us money, but he retains control. A fanciful wish in my opinion and tghat's putting it mildly.

What is our debt?

Check the Accounts, but overdraft, net liabilities versus assets excluding players it's about £80m. Of course, it's tolerated because ouir squad is worth more than that should the worst happen.

What is our stadium situation?

Going nowhere. Tinker around with Goodison, try and raise revenue and maybe somebody will turn up and play fairy godmother. We're staying at Goodison and we might see a new stand in the next 20 years, but we might not.

Why are we selling our key players?

We don't generate enough income to pay their ludicrous wages and also shell out tens of millions to buy more players to pay ludicrous wages to.We have to sell to buy.

Why are we so financially crippled when we've had a net spend of £2m over the last decade?

Because we spend it all on players wages.

THE ROOT OF ALL THE PROBLEMS AT EVERTON and MANY OTHER CLUBS IS THE CRAZY PLAYER WAGES. YOU COULD BUILD A NEW PARK END STAND FOR WAHT WE ARE PAYING ARTETA OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

DON'T YOU GET IT?????
Phil Martin
63   Posted 28/01/2011 at 20:57:17

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Karl,

Your tone is slightly inflammatory.

You seem fully accepting of our predicament. Like this was always inevitable.

You use terms like "going no where" but in a defensive manner.

Tell me why Stoke, Sunderland and Bolton can beat us on transfer fees and offer equal wages? Is that acceptable to you?

How does a club with several top 6 finishes recently and 35000 regular attendance end up losing out on players to recently promoted clubs?

Why the fuck does this not rile you? Fucking wake up, we deserve better. We demand better.

Bill is holding the club to randson.
David O'Keefe
64   Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:35:29

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David Thomas: You're assuming that a protest will take place-if you read my article properly you would have seen my scepticism regarding this protest.
Clive Lewis
65   Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:34:27

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The way I see it is loyalty to the people who pay good money for entertainment. It seems the entertainment value is going down. However if you are getting good attendances then there is no real interest at all, whilst BK is still getting his pay and Moyes still gets his pay. It was interesting to hear DM state that the fans should continue to support us, he would say that considering he is so highly payed. When are people going to wake up to the fact that this club does not want to be sold, why would it when so many people are enjoying it so much BK and Moyes. The real losers in this are the paying supporters, with the loss of entertainment.
Larry Boner
66   Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:41:48

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Phil Bellis - I personally never threw any cushions, not that I didnt want to, but my Dad wouldnt let me.
I seen some absolute beauties spinning past my ears, though reaching the pitch from the old main stand, I think.

I am sure Walter Frederick Morrison must have been visiting Liverpool one day and was sitting in the stands when he got his great idea, pie tins my arse !
Clive Lewis
67   Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:44:43

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The way I see it is loyalty to the people who pay good money for entertainment. It seems the entertainment value is going down. However if you are getting good attendances then there is no real interest in selling at all, whilst BK is still getting his pay and Moyes still gets his pay. It was interesting to hear DM state that the fans should continue to support us, he would say that considering he is so highly payed. When are people going to wake up to the fact that this club does not want to be sold, why would it when so many people are enjoying it so much BK and Moyes. The real losers in this are the paying supporters, with the loss of entertainment.
David Thomas
68   Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:01:41

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David O'Keefe,

I was not suggesting you thought there would be a protest. However, if there does turn out to be one i presume you will be their??
David Moorcroft
69   Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:39:38

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l will tell you what,Alan Williams it looks like your putting the blame for our clubs serious financial problems firmly at the door of us Evertonians,Who you have called YOU FANS,Obviously your not a fucking FAN,And TOTAL IDIOTS,But why are we total idiots?.Is it because we have been lied to so many times by your god kenwright about everything he has said concerning our club,That we have simply had enough of the guy.He is an absolute DISGRACE as a owner and chairman.He has done nothing at all to invest or find investment to do anything good for Everton FC.He will not give his manager a penny to deal with in the i would say quite important part of a Football club.ie.getting players in and keeping the club on the up.We keep hearing,But we dont have any money.But at the same time this man has amassed a 10 million pound personal fortune since he has been at the healm.So dont let me hear people say he doesnt draw a wage.He is raping the club in front of our fucking eyes with his mates all laughing at the So called clever,streetwise scousers.Alan Williams keeps going on about it getting personal with kenwright,Yes it fucking is because he is the cunt whos responcible for everything that is wrong with our club.
David O'Keefe
70   Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:09:44

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David Thomas: Lets wait on events- can we agree on that point at least.

I don't know whose responsible for the "protest" tomorrow. I have my suspicions, but thats it, theres no official group that has called for one. Hence my scepticism,
David Moorcroft
71   Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:39:38

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l will tell you what,Alan Williams it looks like your putting the blame for our clubs serious financial problems firmly at the door of us Evertonians,Who you have called YOU FANS,Obviously your not a fucking FAN,And TOTAL IDIOTS,But why are we total idiots?.Is it because we have been lied to so many times by your god kenwright about everything he has said concerning our club,That we have simply had enough of the guy.He is an absolute DISGRACE as a owner and chairman.He has done nothing at all to invest or find investment to do anything good for Everton FC.He will not give his manager a penny to deal with in the i would say quite important part of a Football club.ie.getting players in and keeping the club on the up.We keep hearing,But we dont have any money.But at the same time this man has amassed a 10 million pound personal fortune since he has been at the healm.So dont let me hear people say he doesnt draw a wage.He is raping the club in front of our fucking eyes with his mates all laughing at the So called clever,streetwise scousers.Alan Williams keeps going on about it getting personal with kenwright,Yes it fucking is because he is the cunt whos responcible for everything that is wrong with our club.
Dave Wilson
72   Posted 28/01/2011 at 21:44:40

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Alan williams raises a very good point, ticket costs will always be a tricky one, but when I went to the bridge a few weeks ago, i had to pay 48 quid for a shite seat up in the corner, I had to pay 45 quid for another shite seat at Anfield, my mate picked the tickets up for for the Emirates so I`m not 100% sure of the cost till I weigh him, but I`m expecting more of the same. I bet their supporters dont pay a penny over 35 quid to watch the corresponding fictures at the old lady.

I`m not sure of the legalities, but Newcastle, City, United, Arsenal, The Shite, Spurs and probably more will definitely sell the 3000 tickets we offer them.
Can somebody tell me if there is a law stopping EFC from charging them 45-50 quid for their tickets ?

Dave Wilson
73   Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:20:01

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Actually I really would be interested to know.

Does anyone Know any RS who were at GP for the derby and how much they paid for the tickets ?
Brian Lawlor
74   Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:41:03

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Yeah, great idea having a protest before a huge cup tie. Just what we need.

Pathetic
Gavin Ramejkis
75   Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:12:02

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Karl, as I replied to Alan, I will reply to you denial isn't a river in Egypt. By ignoring the decade of decay and using the old apologista's favourite of ending up with a catastrophic owner, which is pretty much a nonsense given BK's leadership which is heading in one direction and I'll repeat it, bankruptcy.

Alan you say the club has tried to expand revenue streams but can only mention the KD which was a non-starter as BK and his board refused to discuss Gregg's reverse mortgage and lose control of the club and DK which was a move wholly for Tesco and KMBC. Oddly enough a separate Radio show last week had a discussion about Liverpool and the opposition to Project Jennifer, an interesting blocker primarily being Tesco who had applied to build a store presumably when we had fucked off to Kirkby. Revenue streams need to be investigated that go beyond match days and television rights but that would take acumen and vision beyond the blinkers and some lateral thinking, you know the sort of things you see true entrepreneurs succeed with, I'll repeat again, nothing in a decade.
Gavin Ramejkis
76   Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:46:56

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Brian, what the fuck difference does the game make to having a protest? Are you saying we should just do it when no one is looking? Or maybe a lesser game with no media or better still for those gullible sun shines out of Billy Bullshitters arse merchants none at all?
James McGrady
77   Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:27:58

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Phil Martin @ 63.
You ask why we lose out on players to new clubs?
Even when Bolton get 25,000 they are probably taking about the same match day revenue as us. Sunderland , Stoke, will be the same.

You have to buy food and drinks at high prices in the ground, at Goodison you go to the pub and the chippy. Thats just your average joe.
Your high end hospitality is going to be double capacity at even the JJB on us.
A Arsenal make 35% of their matchday revenue from 9,000 premium seats.
Its not a case of accepting Kenwright, its knowing that there aint going to be anyone stupid enough to put their money in.
David Thomas
78   Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:54:30

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Dave O'Keefe,

Yeah sure, fair enough.

The issue i have is it is all well and good getting rid of Kenwright if there is a viable alternative to step into his position. However, there does not seem to be any indication that there is. I just struggle to see how without a ready made replacement how we are going to be any better off without Kenwright.
David O'Keefe
79   Posted 28/01/2011 at 23:04:20

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Tell that to the Egyptians, Thomas.
James McGrady
80   Posted 28/01/2011 at 22:58:32

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I suggest fans take a look to the Swiss Ramble's blog on Everton - http://swissramble.blogspot.com/search/label/Everton

It makes very depressing reading.
Kenwright will be for ever known as the man who killed this club by fucking up the Kings Dock bid because he didn't want to lose control to Gregg. If he loved the club so much he would of taken the cash from Gregg.
Yes he probably is holding out for a deal that is better for him than the club. But honestly who would invest?
The future of club incomes are no longer based on ticket sales, they are based on hospitality, tv rights and merchandise. We have shit facilities and our fans probably have one of the lowest average income in the league. We aren't going to attract a sensible businessman like Lerner, Henry or Whelen.
Brian Lawlor
81   Posted 29/01/2011 at 08:58:18

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Gavin - today's game is a huge and the team need all of support right from the off if we're to have any chance of turning Chelsea. Negative sideshows before the game are not needed and are not going to help. I'm sayiing it shouldn't be done before such an important game.

If it has to be done, it could be done preferably on another day and AFTER the game.

If you can't see that then like many others on the website you've lost sight of Everton, your club, the team you support.I've made the point before, remarkably there are people who want us to lose, a recent example is Tom Winek's post saying he hopes we lose. Regardless of ownership issues, lack of investment, Moyes tactics etc. Today, I just want to be right behind the team and hopefully see us progress in what is our remaining chance of silverware. if we lose, protest then. Today Everton needs our support.
kev size
82   Posted 29/01/2011 at 10:15:55

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Dave Wilson, the rules with away match tickets is that everyone in the same stand has to be charged the same price so the whole bullens road end would have to be 45 it's why clubs like bolton and blackburn will give you a whole end and pull down your pants with the prices.

As for the whole bill kenwright out protest I can't think of a worse time to have it we need everyone together today not fighting in the stands which will happen. I don't for one minute believe if is bleeding us dry people seem to have forgotten the shit we where in. We have on money as we spend most of our revenue on wages we have no revenue in part due to a lack of success in the 90's when altar really built their global fanbase we are based in one of the poorer parts of Britain so can't generate massive receipts from the gates, our fans don't wear much official gear you only have to walk around town when the shite are home to see how much more they make on shirts alone. A billionaire might sound good and if they where like the ones at city or chelsea we'd be ok but there have been far more shit ones than good. As for not competing with the likes of stoke etc their wage bill is well below ours but as it grows they will start to cut the cloth accordingly. The only chance we have of ever getting back to the top of the used is a new stadium a massive one at that around 65000 a game we'd need the best plan would be to reduce prices slightly and make the food and drink competitive with surrounding bars that way we could generate more money and we'd also need to develop a culture of wearing not just shirts but all the other tat they sell.
Gavin Ramejkis
83   Posted 29/01/2011 at 10:47:55

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Brian, any time is the right time for a protest some better than others for the likelihood of media interaction. The Cup game against Chelsea will be one picked up by he media as it contains one of their sweethearts. By ignoring the opportunity reduces the impact of the protest.

The guys on the field of play as reduced as they are, well they are all professional footballers, grown men who must know the rot from within the club and the discontent at the ground as they hear it every fortnight and they know that they will be getting called for poor performances but not the perilous state of the club and the mere headcount which is dropping every season. Everton needs support Brian but not the blind cult like support of ignorance, it needs the fans that have a passion about saving what they see is happening making themselves heard and starting a groundswell against the malaise which is driving it to bankruptcy and the championship at an increasing pace.

If you can't understand that then I pity you, burying your head in the sand or saying you'll do it tomorrow, well Brian tomorrow may be too late.
Gavin Ramejkis
84   Posted 29/01/2011 at 10:57:25

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Kev the economy card doesn't actually make sense, check the economics for yourself for Bolton, Blackburn, Sunderland, Birmingham Newcastle and plenty of other areas where teams with a similar economic footprint to Liverpool aren't using it as an excuse for a poorly ran football business model

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10604117
Brian Lawlor
85   Posted 29/01/2011 at 12:10:09

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you go and have a protest Gavin with you and maybe I reckon 4 people at most while the hardcode fans are inside behind the team. Owners, managers and players come and go, the club doesn't. it's a huge cup game.

I pity you stood outside before a big game with 3 people probably not even scousers behaving like Kopites.
Brian Lawlor
86   Posted 29/01/2011 at 12:14:39

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oh yeah the media might see it. ESPN and all of their 4 subscribers. Good thinking batman.

i tell you now, they'll be nothing reported anywhere so see you on here tomorrow for the lowdown on your 'protest' that is of course if you're actually there.

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