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Mid-table Mediocrity

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Another transfer window closes and yet again we have failed to make a mark on it. Signing only a unproven teenager from Greece and losing one of our best players to a divisional rival for a measly price places a grim look on how we may finish our season. Despite it only being half-way through, we usually have kicked in to gear by now; unfortunately, our roller-coaster campaign cannot end well at this rate, and with the window shut, it is only pure inspiration which can save us from a dismal outing in 2011.

In previous seasons we have done a remarkable job to get to where have, 5th and 6th place finishes continually have been a true achievement which David Moyes should take credit for. It is no secret we are an underrated club and usually shy away from the headlines unless we do upset the so-called big 4, (if we can even call them that anymore). However, the most disappointing thing is that, no matter how hard we try, how many cheap Championship players we buy, and no matter how big our hearts may be, we will never be taken to the next level without financial backing. The days of lion hearts, and underdogs are fast becoming history, with more and more clubs being bought out to cater for their financial needs.

The saddening concept of contemporary football is that it has become like a business, where money talks, clubs like Tottenham are able to offer £30 million plus for world class players such as Aguero, Forlan etc, yet only a few seasons ago we matched their achievements of a Champions League appearance with money generated only through the sale of Wayne Rooney. Only 2-3 seasons ago Tottenham and also money bags Man City were dreaming of achieving what we had.

Without money, we will never progress to where we need to be; players like Cahill, Arteta, Distin, Howard will not be around for ever, and we need to start thinking about our future, if we are unable to even land Niko Kranjcar,, how are we able to replace Tim Cahill when he runs out of juice?

How is it that an untried teen from Southampton has a price tag of £10 million? Ridiculous inflation is on the rise and to compete we must be spending our money; if Kenwright cannot do that, then I believe it's time he looked to cash in on foreign investment, because, if he was a true fan, he would put the club ahead of himself. Until that happens, I can't see us rising to our once great heights, and even further.

Goodbye to glorious Euro League evenings, FA Cup finals and feel good stories at Goodison Park and hello to mid-table mediocrity.
Yessar  Daou, Melbourne, Victoria     Posted 01/02/2011 at 05:23:13

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Gavin Ramejkis
1   Posted 01/02/2011 at 07:34:48

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Mid table mediocrity if we are lucky, the fire sales are just the start of it. Do you honestly trust that Everton won't sell at least another two players in the summer with fuck all coming back in? ? beyond some "one for the future" bollocks we'll never see play.
Steven Flynn
2   Posted 01/02/2011 at 07:58:30

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Off the thread but this raised a smile on the Steve Wright show yesterday on Radio 2, when doing his requests was this sent in "Just like to say goodbye to Kenny and the lads in Liverpool, from Fernando." It went straight over his head!
Neil Vaughan
3   Posted 01/02/2011 at 08:46:27

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I suppose it could be worse... we could have lost our biggest match winner and paid £35 mil+ for a poor man's Big Dunc (who is injured).... believing a return to the glory days is just around the corner.

How fuckin desperate.... hahahahahahahahahahahaha...!!

Jonny McIlveen
4   Posted 01/02/2011 at 08:56:58

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We are an utter joke. I can only see a summer of more pain and misery with probably the sale of Fellaini and/or Rodwell.

It is time Blue Bill came out and told what exactly is happening at our once great club rather than hanging Moyes out to dry.
Kunal Desai
5   Posted 01/02/2011 at 09:02:28

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We'll be lucky to finish mid-table. You can sure bet that the Shite, Villa, Stoke, Sunderland and Bolton will all finish above us then it's a case of who else will finish behind that lot. What a sad sad state of affairs.
Gavin Wadeson
6   Posted 01/02/2011 at 08:56:39

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It's time to accept that, if we want to finish 4th or 5th again, Moyes is going to do what he does best... get £20million for one of his key players (a la Rooney, Lescott), and use the money to build a team (buying players like Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar, Jags, Baines, Neville, Coleman etc).

Fellaini will probably be sold for big money in the summer, and Moyes will use the money to make the team stronger. He may have his faults, but that's what he's good at.

At the time, it's always hard to see a key player leave for big money, but in hindsight, the money we've received has improved the team.
Mike Hughes
7   Posted 01/02/2011 at 09:05:32

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Currently, we are potless. Clearly a long-term solution to our finances seems now to be a matter of the utmost urgency if we are to re-start the engine from its current stalled and stuck-in-a-ditch position. We are going nowhere fast (and perhaps sinking slowly).

However, yesterday was madness. I personally think the RS threw £17m down the drain by buying when the market was high. If you'd have taken a straw poll on Sunday night and asked footy fans how much Andy Carroll was worth I'd guess most would say approx £14-15m. However, the RS desperation is a little nicer than our own desperation.

Given our current situation, the high stakes and how the financial bar has again been raised, I think med-table mediocrity will now be an achievement this season following the shambles so far.

This chapter in EFC's history can be sub-titled, "Hard Times".
Tony Waring
8   Posted 01/02/2011 at 09:28:26

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Agree with you, Mike. I think the RS have been shafted but then again so have Chelsea. It's high time this artificial transfer window was done away with. At present all it does is inflate prices because clubs are so desperate to improve their squad and will ? in certain cases ? pay the earth. It should be possible to transfer players at any time of the year and the FA or someone in authority should step in and mandate that any payments to agents must be made by the player(s) concerned and NEVER the clubs involved in the transactions.
Richard Dodd
9   Posted 01/02/2011 at 09:35:51

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It`s not like big business, at all, Yessar. If any public company ran its affairs like most Prem clubs, they`d be called to account by shareholders and authorities alike. At least Everton tries to work within its means ? and if that means no Mad Monday signings, so be it!
Andy Crooks
10   Posted 01/02/2011 at 09:40:25

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Yessar, right now I'd settle for mid-table mediocrity.
Anthony Hughes
11   Posted 01/02/2011 at 09:36:55

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I don't think we'll get relegated this season. The real problems will kick in next season. Without more outgoings in the summer, we will be unable to buy and I think next season our dire financial situation will start to really show in our league position, even more so than this season.

The one upshot is than the Andy Carroll fee has hopefully inflated all other transfer fees. On this basis, surely Fellaini will bring in £25-30 million in the summer.

John Audsley
12   Posted 01/02/2011 at 10:05:54

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Richard Dodd

You said that a loan signing before 11pm was a certainty

Any chance on explaining why you got it so totally wrong???
Jason Heng
13   Posted 01/02/2011 at 10:10:28

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We'll be lucky with mid-table.

No mad monday signing? No sane signing as well! (Hard to categorise the Greek signing at the moment...)
Dave Lynch
14   Posted 01/02/2011 at 10:20:05

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Neil@4.

No buisnessplan.
No money.
No backers.
Skint Chairman.
Average squad.
Pissed off manager.
How fucking desperate is that.

Dave Lynch
15   Posted 01/02/2011 at 10:24:51

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Forgot to add.
No sign of glory days in this millenium, never mind round the corner.
Who's in a worst state?
Leave the kopshites to themselves, it's us you should be worrying about.
They will always come out smelling of roses as the devil looks after his own.
Alan Clarke
16   Posted 01/02/2011 at 10:25:49

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Richard, Everton doesn't try to work within its means though, hence why we're in so much fucking debt.
Gavin Ramejkis
17   Posted 01/02/2011 at 10:26:29

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Doddy, got to give you a one handed clap for trying - "they`d be called to account by shareholders" erm no they wouldn't as kenshite banned AGMs and EGMs so shareholders are held in as much disdain as the paying customers.

Gavin - Moyes used some of the Lescott money on Bily, he hasn't exactly made the squad stronger and given simple economics on football you can't sell one player and guarantee you can replace him with lots of better players for the same money.

Football player prices are ridiculous: say you sell Fellaini or Rodwell and let's say for arguments sake they are on £25k a week and replace them with four new players if you are lucky who will have to be offered £20k-£25k a week ? that means instantly you are paying more out in wages. The mathematics simply don't add up unless you replace a decent player with say an unknown Greek kid you might get away with paying £5k a week... hmmm maybe thats the master plan from BK.

You lose a decent player in the hope a kid not ready for the first team might make it, your results drop, your league placing drops but hey you've saved £20k a week but lost £500k per league place you've slipped...

Steve Kidd
18   Posted 01/02/2011 at 10:16:48

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I can honestly say that yesterday the game that I grew up with, and I am not yet 25, died. It has been on the rocks for a long time, but the £35 million signing of a player with potential but only around 20 Premier League games to his name killed it for me. I will still watch football but I will no longer get caught up in this rich man's playground. A sad indicament of where this game has finished for me.
Jamie Morgan
19   Posted 01/02/2011 at 11:04:43

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It almost seems like Moyes has given up on trying to get deals done. Ok we were prepared for only loan signings, but the amount of quality players that would have bought something to the side being loaned out is amazing. And we got none of them!

Christ, I was sat in front of telly watching the Torres fiasco thinking, "Would a call to Chelsea to get Sturridge on loan be a wise move?" ? and yes it would have been, as proven by Owen Coyle! Carlos Vela, Bentley, O'Hara, Ireland ? even bloody Gudjonson or Martins I would have taken!

Every team around us has got players in to help them. At this rate, I would bite someone's hand off if they offered us a top 10 finish! (And that pisses me off!)

Jack Daou
20   Posted 01/02/2011 at 11:19:27

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Another Porstmouth like situation? We need to be realistic, the future doesn't paint a pretty picture.
Tony McNulty
21   Posted 01/02/2011 at 11:10:07

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This reminds me of what Mark Twain said about the weather: "Everybody talks about it, but nobody ever does anything about it"

I don't care whether BIll Kenwright was in the Boys Pen or Walton Jail. I do care about the slow motion train crash we have all be watching for years.

We know what the problem is, and it has been the same for more than a decade now: it is lack of decent funding. We don't need to be the Shite, Shitty or Chelsea: much of their cash gets wasted anyway. We just need to give the manager £30-50 million, and I genuinely think he would then have a chance to sort things out, and not have to base our game on having what we hold and on defence.

So we need more cash; everyone knows this. So why doesn't the Chairman or someone on the board do something about it? They have had long enough, and the value of their investment must be beginning to fall now. To continue as we are defies logic. They seem to have their collective thumbs up their arses and their minds in neutral.

Brian Waring
22   Posted 01/02/2011 at 11:20:56

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Neil (#4) ? we can laugh at the redshite all day mate, but at least the had money to spend.

Suarez is a top class striker, and whilst they paid way over the odds for Carroll, probably £20M would have been about right, you can't deny the lad is a huge talent, and is still only 21.

Also, I find it funny that the shite are being slagged for paying (rightly so) over the odds, when on here, we have some fans saying Fellaini has got to be worth at least £30M, and Rodwell between £25-30M.
Robert Poots
23   Posted 01/02/2011 at 11:35:59

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So the club is a financial liability. But what can the board realistically do to get the club back on track?

It seems to me that a firesale is pending as we need to get the club debt free first and foremost and in a position where the Sky TV money etc has not already been borrowed against.

I know saying this is all well and good considering that we cannot be 100% sure of the how deep the clubs debts run but in Moyes we have a manager who has the proven track record of unearthing diamonds and building competitive teams. I can only hope that the Board and the Moysiah have already come to this conclusion and the youth players that we are seeing arrive shows the start of things to come.

It's not going to be an easy ride but when has anything been easy on the good ship Everton!
Gavin Wadeson
24   Posted 01/02/2011 at 11:43:17

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Gavin Ramejkis (#18)

Moyes used the Lescott money to buy Heitinga, Distin and Bily. Bearing in mind, Lescott mainly played at left-back for us (and we already had Baines), I think it's pretty obvious that the team is better without him!
Dave Roberts
25   Posted 01/02/2011 at 11:28:06

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I think we have to become more realistic about the club's predicament, however painful that may be. Calls for the Board to 'do something about it' are somewhat naive. Exactly what can the Board, or Kenwright himself do?

Whether we like the idea or not, Everton FC is the second club in a comparatively small city. Not only that, but there are other huge clubs no more than half-an-hour's drive away as well as other single town clubs like Blackburn, Bolton and Blackpool nearby.

As much as we may love her, the stadium is an absolute tip by modern standards and while our ancient history is a match for anybody's, our recent history is nondescript and the famous name of Everton has slipped below the event horizon.

The club is run by an enthusiastic if incompetent supporter who is well-off but is not rich by Abramovich standards, supported by a few of his mates who otherwise have no emotional attachment to the club and certainly no motivation to improve the situation.

In light of all this, exactly who would be prepared to invest huge sums or buy the club? This is Everton's problem. It is in the least advantageous position of all the Premier League clubs in terms of attracting investment and that is why I can never understand the view that Kenwright is the problem in this respect (though he may be the problem in other respects!) because he won't sell. I can't see anybody wanting to buy the club except a billionaire Evertonian just as enthusiastic as he is and I don't think there are too many of those about.

An Asian consortium bought Blackburn. Why, when there is historically a much bigger club available down the road (Everton)? Simply because there is a business plan and business opprtunities. A single-town club with a huge Asian population and, together with traditional supporters, this provides considerable scope for growth. Where is the potential for growth as far as Everton FC is concerned?

Before it could start there is the problem of the stadium. The second problem is raising the brand image and that is difficult enough (ask Man City) but is made even harder by the proximity of the Shite. Shite they may be but a bigger brand nonetheless. To overcome that disparity needs consistent success and that would require considerable outlay but when the need for a new/improved stadium is added to the potential costs, is it any wonder investors would go to Sunderland, Blackburn, City, Villa, West Ham or Birmingham rather than to us?

These problems have to be solved one at a time if they can be solved at all. Manchester City used to be club in pretty much the same situation as ourselves. They had two advantages. One was being located in a bigger city which allowed for easier potential growth notwithstanding the presence of Utd. But the main advantage was the stadium. To an investor the stadium was a given. Not theirs yet, but there and standing. A shit of a stadium in many respects but modern and it meant one less problem and huge cost to contend with.

Utd and the Shite have shown that growth is possible outside of being a single-town club so that need not be an insurmountable problem. This means that the stadium issue is the one to be solved. Until it is, I cannot see anybody wanting to buy or invest heavily in Everton FC and, accordingly, whatever we may think of him, the idea that Kenwright is turning investors away in their droves because he wants to keep his toy to himself is just plain ridiculous.

There are just too many impediments that accompany Everton FC as far as investors would be concerned, and the biggest of those is the stadium. That is the problem to be solved before any permanent progress can be made towards returning this club to the status it once so richly deserved.

Gavin Ramejkis
26   Posted 01/02/2011 at 12:29:59

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Gavin #24, Lescott was a centre-half who played most of his games there for us with occasional appearances as a left-back before Moyes finally put Baines there. He bought two centre-halves, one of which he had to pay £60k a week to and an inside-right he tried his old 'smash a square peg into a round hole' trick by putting him on the wing. Those three salaries far exceed what Lescott was being paid.
Gavin Wadeson
27   Posted 01/02/2011 at 12:48:56

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Gavin #26

The fact is, Moyes used the Lescott money to buy Heitinga, Distin and Bily. The team is now better off because of it.

He also did the same with the Rooney money (Arteta, Cahill, Pienaar, Baines etc)

He will probably make the team stronger with the Fellaini money (who we all know will be sold in the summer, as he will only have 2 years left on his contract).
James Stewart
28   Posted 01/02/2011 at 13:00:44

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Gavin, I'm not so sure Fellaini will go in the summer. Maybe but I would imagine Rodwell would be sold first.

I know who I would rather keep! Fellaini is destined for the very top and I could quite easily see him playing for Madrid, Barcelona or whoever in time.

Rodwell is a totally different player and in my opinion is being totally stunted by Moyes. He is not an attacking midfielder by any stretch of the imagination.

Brian Waring
29   Posted 01/02/2011 at 13:08:37

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James, you miss the most important point in regards to Fellaini: Will he want to stay with us?
James Elworthy
30   Posted 01/02/2011 at 13:06:32

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Fellaini money was paid on the drip: £5M down, £5M after 12 months... £5M in 2 years.

The O'Neill money: £1M went to Athletico Madrid to pay the final installment on Heitinga, £3M down, £1M in 3 months and £1M in 6 months.

These are facts from people involved in the bank transfers of these sums.

Brian Waring
31   Posted 01/02/2011 at 13:10:08

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Thinking about it, James, the same could be said of all our better players, would they want to stay at a club who is totally skint, and going nowhere fast?
Anthony Hughes
32   Posted 01/02/2011 at 13:13:31

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Have to disagree regarding the Lescott v Heitinga, Bily and Distin match up. The league table tells a different story and with Lescott in the back four our defensive record was very good. Out of the three signings, only Disitn is a regular starter and I think Heitinga's wages far outweigh what Lescott was being paid.
Richard Parker
33   Posted 01/02/2011 at 09:24:17

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If there's no investment coming in, then Moyes has only one option. Sell the best players and bring in the bargains. It is the only model that fits our finances. We need him to uncover more Cahills, Artetas, Jagielkas, Pienaars and Lescotts.

He's tried to keep the squad together, it hasn't worked and won't work until we have at least 2 decent strikers. He doesn't have the money to buy strikers...... so there's only one option left.

Selling Cahill, Arteta and 2 others to provide him with £30M or so. With that he needs to pull in 6 signings for £5M a pop. Only problem is that they all need to turn out to be Cahills and Artetas..... and not Kroldrups, Beatties or van der Meydes.

What he absolutely needs to do is keep hold of the young players who are improving. The Rodwells, Fellainis and Colemans in the side. It's going to be tough, but the only choice is to call time on a squad where age is catching up fast and investment is a pipe-dream.
Tom Bowers
34   Posted 01/02/2011 at 13:48:02

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Sorry guys but back in October I stated that thus bunch is fit only for mid-table mediocrity and so it has proved. It's not rocket science to see that we are performing to the best of our ability which just about keeps us out of the drop zone.

With no money, no drawing power /or interest for loan players and no ambition and a manager who has run out of ideas after 9 years, I believe it's going to be very rough until the end of the season and maybe into next season as well. We have young players who do not get a look-in even when the so called first teamers are playing poorly so why even bring a couple more in?

They very rarely have any future at Goodison. Rodwell now should stay in the team as the defensive midfielder/centre back cover as he is clearly not a forward player but has a lot of talent otherwise we will lose him. Fellaini should be the more forward midfielder. If Saha stays fit then he should start more with Beckford until Cahill is fit.

Marc Williams
35   Posted 01/02/2011 at 13:57:55

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Richard Dodd 10# .... Well, Dick, looks like you've been proved wrong yet again doesn't it? I warned you that if you spouted your usual shite, you'd look like a looloo today. You are like one of those real hopeless twats that comes on the X -Factor thinking they can sing, that we all laugh at, but deep down feel sorry for as we can all see they are deluded/educationally challenged or have leaning difficulties.

Do yourself a favour & shut the fuck up so you stop looking like a prize Penis, on this site! Or are you going to claim that Stellios from 'easygoal' is a real signing?

Frank McGregor
36   Posted 01/02/2011 at 15:36:33

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Dave (#25) ? An excellent article with a common sense description of the reality that has to be faced with. I honestly believe a few years down the road we will be in a shared stadium with Liverpool a position I am not in favour of but have to face the facts as they stand. Once again a good article without the usual ranting and raving from the experts.
Anthony Hughes
37   Posted 01/02/2011 at 16:13:53

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A shared stadium with Liverpool? Where would our funds come from to help build this stadium? We need to make sure we're sharing the same league table as them in a couple of years before anything else.
Gavin Ramejkis
38   Posted 01/02/2011 at 22:17:35

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Frank, the yanks don't need to share they have enough money, we bought fuck all this season, they bought two strikers for fuck all outlay they made it selling ladyboy and shedding Konchesky. BK couldn't afford a ticket for a shared stadium never mind sharing it.
Andy Callan
39   Posted 02/02/2011 at 09:36:43

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Dave @ 14

Well said mate - couldn't have out it better myself.

That shower of shite over the park are laughin' at us and that REALLY pisses me off. In fact EVERY fucker is laughin' at us. AGAIN.

Had me fill me.

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